Current Standings Under Old Points Formats

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Just in case anybody cares, here are what the current points would look like under some previous points systems:

Pre-Chase (1975-2003):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 3,466
2. Carl Edwards - 3,447 (-19)
3. Clint Bowyer - 3,401 (-65) excluding spin penalty
4. Kyle Busch - 3,378 (-88)
5. Kevin Harvick - 3,377 (-89)
6. Matt Kenseth - 3,321 (-145)
7. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 3,239 (-227)
8. Kurt Busch - 3,223 (-243)
9. Jeff Gordon - 3,157 (-309)
10. Joey Logano - 3,145 (-321)
11. Kasey Kahne - 3,141 (-325)
12. Greg Biffle - 3,139 (-327)
13. Martin Truex, Jr. - 3,111 (-355) excluding spin penalty
14. Ryan Newman - 3,109 (-357)
15. Brad Keselowski - 3,052 (-414)
16. Jamie McMurray - 3,029 (-437)
17. Paul Menard - 2,937 (-529)
18. Juan Pablo Montoya - 2,840 (-626)
19. Aric Almirola - 2,820 (-646)
20. Marcos Ambrose - 2,746 (-720)

Chase Format I (2004-2006):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 5,050
2. Carl Edwards - 5,045 (-5)
3. Clint Bowyer - 5,040 (-10) excluding spin penalty
4. Kyle Busch - 5,035 (-15)
5. Kevin Harvick - 5,030 (-20)
6. Matt Kenseth - 5,025 (-25)
7. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,020 (-30)
8. Kurt Busch - 5,015 (-35)
9. Jeff Gordon - 5,010 (-40)
10. Kasey Kahne - 5,005 (-45)
11. Joey Logano - 3,150
12. Greg Biffle - 3,144
13. Martin Truex, Jr. - 3,116 excluding spin penalty
14. Ryan Newman - 3,114
15. Brad Keselowski - 3,052
16. Jamie McMurray - 3,029
17. Paul Menard - 2,937
18. Juan Pablo Montoya - 2,840
19. Aric Almirola - 2,820
20. Marcos Ambrose - 2,746

Chase Format II (2007-2010):
1. Matt Kenseth - 5,050
2. Jimmie Johnson - 5,040 (-10)
3. Kyle Busch - 5,040 (-10) excluding spin penalty
4. Carl Edwards - 5,020 (-30)
5. Kevin Harvick - 5,020 (-30)
6. Kasey Kahne - 5,020 (-35)
7. Greg Biffle - 5,010 (-40)
8. Joey Logano - 5,010 (-45)
9. Clint Bowyer - 5,000 (-50) excluding spin penalty
10. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,000 (-50)
11. Kurt Busch - 5,000 (-50)
12. Jeff Gordon - 5,000 (-50)
13. Martin Truex, Jr. - 3,116 excluding spin penalty
14. Ryan Newman - 3,114
15. Brad Keselowski - 3,052
16. Jamie McMurray - 3,029
17. Paul Menard - 2,937
18. Juan Pablo Montoya - 2,840
19. Aric Almirola - 2,820
20. Marcos Ambrose - 2,746

Disclaimers:
- MWR's spin penalty's were omitted, as they likely wouldn't have happened pre-wildcard
- Penalty adjustments new points vs. old points: 6=25, 12=50, 25=100
 
Even with the horrible year Gordon has been having he'd be in all chase formats.

Not bad for someone who's not a top ten driver anymore. :sarcasm:
 
VaDirt said:
JJ had one hell of a lead before the past month to still have a lead under the old format.
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Yeah, he would have had a 273 pt. lead coming out of Watkins Glen, which was his last good finish. Bad finishes didn't hurt you quite as bad under the old format, as a last place gave you 34 out of a possible 185 (later 190), instead of 1 out of a possible 48.
 
Updated as of Chicagoland:

Pre-Chase (1975-2003):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 3,626
2. Carl Edwards - 3,582
3. Kyle Busch - 3,553
4. Kevin Harvick - 3,547
5. Clint Bowyer - 3,539
6. Matt Kenseth - 3,501
7. Kurt Busch - 3,383
8. Jeff Gordon - 3,312
9. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 3,302
10. Kasey Kahne - 3,268
11. Greg Biffle - 3,259
12. Ryan Newman - 3,248
13. Martin Truex, Jr. - 3,220
14. Brad Keselowski - 3,203
15. Joey Logano - 3,202


Chase Format I (2004-2006):
1. Matt Kenseth - 5,215
2T. Jimmie Johnson - 5,210
2T. Kyle Busch - 5,210
4. Kevin Harvick - 5,200
5. Carl Edwards - 5,180
6. Clint Bowyer - 5,178
7. Kurt Busch - 5,175
8. Jeff Gordon - 5,165
9. Kasey Kahne - 5,132
10. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,083



Chase Format II (2007-2010):
1. Matt Kenseth - 5,240
2. Kyle Busch - 5,215
3. Jimmie Johnson - 5,200
4. Kevin Harvick - 5,190
5. Kurt Busch - 5,160
6T. Carl Edwards - 5,155
6T. Jeff Gordon - 5,155
8. Kasey Kahne - 5,147
9. Clint Bowyer - 5,138
10. Greg Biffle - 5,130
11. Joey Logano - 5,067
12. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,063



Disclaimers:
- MWR's spin penalty's were omitted, as they likely wouldn't have happened pre-wildcard
- Penalty adjustments new points vs. old points: 6=25, 12=50, 25=100
 
ToyYoda said:
Under the pre-chase system, Kenseth would be 6th in points with 6 wins. This, ladies and gentlemen, is why we have the Chase ;)
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Using the current points system he would be in 4th and only 26 points back, which I would be perfectly OK with. He was a lot further behind earlier when the TRD engines were blowing up almost every week in the early summer.

[after Chicago, race 27 of 36]
1) #48-Jimmie Johnson(X) [4 wins], 881
2) #99-Carl Edwards(X) [2 wins], 876, -5
3) #29-Kevin Harvick(X) [2 wins], 870, -18
4) #20-Matt Kenseth(X) [6 wins], 855, -26
5) #18-Kyle Busch(X) [4 wins], 854, -27
6) #15-Clint Bowyer(X), 814, -67
7) #78-Kurt Busch(X), 802, -79
8) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr.(X), 791, -90
9) #24-Jeff Gordon(X), 790, -91
10) #16-Greg Biffle(X) [1 win], 788, -93
11) #39-Ryan Newman(X), 776, -105
12) #5-Kasey Kahne(X), 771, -110
13) #22-Joey Logano(X) [1 win], 759, -122
14) #2-Brad Keselowski, 758, -123
15) #1-Jamie McMurray, 747, -134
16) #27-Paul Menard, 720, -161
17) #56-Truex, Jr., 717, -164
 
I'm fine with Chase esp because of a year like this. Kenneth imo with six wins shouldn't struggle to make the top five.. it's not like he's run badly. Just some poor luck
 
VaDirt said:
JJ had one hell of a lead before the past month to still have a lead under the old format.
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Just like he did a few years ago, one could argue they were doing some R&D work with such a big points lead.
 
Lazyking said:
I'm fine with Chase esp because of a year like this. Kenneth imo with six wins shouldn't struggle to make the top five.. it's not like he's run badly. Just some poor luck
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And I don't think TRD should necessarily be completely forgiven for their "go big or go boom" stretch.
 
Well if your going to omit the penalties from MWR why not take the penalties from Penske earlier this year because it would have been a different car in that time and the parts wouldn't have been illegal.. or even used because they skewed the back end in the cars they used under those points systems. :p
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Well if your going to omit the penalties from MWR why not take the penalties from Penske earlier this year because it would have been a different car in that time and the parts wouldn't have been illegal.. or even used because they skewed the back end in the cars they used under those points systems. :p
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Only reason I omitted the MWR penalties is because they were a direct result of the existence of the current Chase format, and likely wouldn't have happened otherwise, as there would have been nothing to gain from the intentional spin. As for the Penske penalties, this is just assuming the old points systems, not the cars.
 
ToyYoda said:
Only reason I omitted the MWR penalties is because they were a direct result of the existence of the current Chase format, and likely wouldn't have happened otherwise, as there would have been nothing to gain from the intentional spin. As for the Penske penalties, this is just assuming the old points systems, not the cars.
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I know Im just bustin ur balls.
 
Well I *guess* nascar did the right thing by adding Gordo...
 
Updated as of New Hampshire:

Pre-Chase (1975-2003):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 3,791
2. Kyle Busch - 3,723
3. Carl Edwards - 3,720
4. Matt Kenseth - 3,686
5. Clint Bowyer - 3,656
6. Kevin Harvick - 3,650
7. Kurt Busch - 3,507
8. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 3,457
9. Jeff Gordon - 3,435
10. Greg Biffle - 3,424
11. Ryan Newman - 3,368
12. Martin Truex, Jr. - 3,359
13. Brad Keselowski - 3,338
14. Joey Logano - 3,328
15. Kasey Kahne - 3,325

Chase Format I (2004-2006):
1. Matt Kenseth - 5,405
2. Kyle Busch - 5,380
3. Jimmie Johnson - 5,375
4. Carl Edwards - 5,318
5. Kevin Harvick - 5,303
6. Kurt Busch - 5,299
7. Clint Bowyer - 5,295
8. Jeff Gordon - 5,288
9. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,234
10. Kasey Kahne - 5,189

Chase Format II (2007-2010):
1. Matt Kenseth - 5,430
2. Kyle Busch - 5,385
3. Jimmie Johnson - 5,365
4. Greg Biffle - 5,295
5T. Kevin Harvick - 5,293
5T. Carl Edwards - 5,293
7. Kurt Busch - 5,284
8. Jeff Gordon - 5,275
9. Clint Bowyer - 5,255
10. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,218
11. Kasey Kahne - 5,204
12. Joey Logano - 5,193
 
Updated as of Dover:

Pre-Chase (1975-2003):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 3,976
2. Kyle Busch - 3,883
3. Matt Kenseth - 3,837
4. Kevin Harvick - 3,800
5. Clint Bowyer - 3,795
6. Carl Edwards - 3,778
7. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 3,632
8. Kurt Busch - 3,607
9. Jeff Gordon - 3,600
10. Greg Biffle - 3,562
11. Ryan Newman - 3,515
12. Joey Logano - 3,493
13. Martin Truex, Jr. - 3,477
14. Kasey Kahne - 3,449
15. Jamie McMurray - 3,425
16. Brad Keselowski - 3,390
17. Paul Menard - 3,240
18. Aric Almirola - 3,146
19. Juan Pablo Montoya - 3,107
20. Jeff Burton - 3,103

Chase Format I (2004-2006):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 5,565
2. Matt Kenseth - 5,556
3. Kyle Busch - 5,540
4T. Kevin Harvick - 5,453
4T. Jeff Gordon - 5,453
6. Clint Bowyer - 5,434
7. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,409
8. Kurt Busch - 5,399
9. Carl Edwards - 5,376
10. Kasey Kahne - 5,313

Chase Format II (2007-2010):
1. Matt Kenseth - 5,581
2. Jimmie Johnson - 5,555
3. Kyle Busch - 5,545
4. Kevin Harvick - 5,443
5. Jeff Gordon - 5,440
6. Greg Biffle - 5,433
7. Clint Bowyer - 5,394
8. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,393
9. Kurt Busch - 5,384
10. Joey Logano - 5,358
11. Carl Edwards - 5,351
12. Kasey Kahne - 5,328
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
How about the current points system with no chase?
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1) #48-Jimmie Johnson(X) [5 wins], 970
2) #20-Matt Kenseth(X) [7 wins], 941, -29
3) #18-Kyle Busch(X) [4 wins], 936, -34
4) #29-Kevin Harvick(X) [2 wins], 932, -38
5) #99-Carl Edwards(X) [2 wins], 920, -50
6) #15-Clint Bowyer(X), 877, -93
7) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr.(X), 873, -97
8) #16-Greg Biffle(X) [1 win], 864, -106
9) #24-Jeff Gordon(X), 860, -110
10) #78-Kurt Busch(X), 856, -114
11) #39-Ryan Newman(X), 842, -128
12) #22-Joey Logano(X) [1 win], 831, -139
13) #1-Jamie McMurray, 819, -151
14) #5-Kasey Kahne(X), 810, -160
15) #2-Brad Keselowski, 799, -171
(X) = a Chase driver.
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
How about the current points system with no chase?
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He posted it, Pre-chase. Its first in line.

1 Jimmie Johnson 970
2 Matt Kenseth 941 -29
3 Kyle Busch 936 -34
4 Kevin Harvick 932 -38
5 Carl Edwards 920 -50
6 Clint Bowyer 877 -93
7 Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 873 -97
8 Greg Biffle 864 -106
9 Jeff Gordon 860 -110
10 Kurt Busch 856 -114
11 Ryan Newman 842 -128
12 Joey Logano 831 -139
13 Jamie McMurray 819 -151

Kahne doesn't even make the cut as far as the first 13 drivers in the standings go.
 
FLRacingFan said:
1) #48-Jimmie Johnson(X) [5 wins], 970
2) #20-Matt Kenseth(X) [7 wins], 941, -29
3) #18-Kyle Busch(X) [4 wins], 936, -34
4) #29-Kevin Harvick(X) [2 wins], 932, -38
5) #99-Carl Edwards(X) [2 wins], 920, -50
6) #15-Clint Bowyer(X), 877, -93
7) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr.(X), 873, -97
8) #16-Greg Biffle(X) [1 win], 864, -106
9) #24-Jeff Gordon(X), 860, -110
10) #78-Kurt Busch(X), 856, -114
11) #39-Ryan Newman(X), 842, -128
12) #22-Joey Logano(X) [1 win], 831, -139
13) #1-Jamie McMurray, 819, -151
14) #5-Kasey Kahne(X), 810, -160
15) #2-Brad Keselowski, 799, -171
(X) = a Chase driver.
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You bastard. Couldn't let me have this one could you? :cool:
 
Updated as of Kansas:

Pre-Chase (1975-2003):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 4,131
2. Kevin Harvick - 3,985
3. Matt Kenseth - 3,972
4. Kyle Busch - 3,949
5. Carl Edwards - 3,933
6. Clint Bowyer - 3,916
7. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 3,779
8. Kurt Busch - 3,777
9. Jeff Gordon - 3,765
10. Greg Biffle - 3,686
11. Joey Logano - 3,658
12. Martin Truex, Jr. - 3,583
13. Ryan Newman - 3,573
14. Kasey Kahne - 3,567
15. Jamie McMurray - 3,540
16. Brad Keselowski - 3,507
17. Paul Menard - 3,386
18. Aric Almirola - 3,280
19. Jeff Burton - 3,235
20. Marcos Ambrose - 3,226

Chase Format I (2004-2006):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 5,720
2. Matt Kenseth - 5,691
3. Kevin Harvick - 5,643
4. Jeff Gordon - 5,618
5. Kyle Busch - 5,606
6. Kurt Busch - 5,569
7. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,556
8. Clint Bowyer - 5,555
9. Carl Edwards - 5,531
10. Kasey Kahne - 5,431

Chase Format II (2007-2010):
1. Matt Kenseth - 5,716
2. Jimmie Johnson - 5,710
3. Kevin Harvick - 5,633
4. Kyle Busch - 5,611
5. Jeff Gordon - 5,605
6. Greg Biffle - 5,557
7. Kurt Busch - 5,554
8. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,540
9. Joey Logano - 5,523
10. Clint Bowyer - 5,515
11. Carl Edwards - 5,506
12. Kasey Kahne - 5,446
 
A little late this week, but...

Updated as of Charlotte:

Pre-Chase (1975-2003):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 4,316
2. Matt Kenseth - 4,142
3. Kevin Harvick - 4,135
4. Kyle Busch - 4,109
5. Carl Edwards - 4,072
6. Clint Bowyer - 4,051
7. Jeff Gordon - 3,916
8. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 3,902
9. Kurt Busch - 3,898
10. Greg Biffle - 3,801
11. Joey Logano - 3,767
12. Kasey Kahne - 3,747
13. Ryan Newman - 3,720
14. Brad Keselowski - 3,687
15. Martin Truex, Jr. - 3,680
16. Jamie McMurray - 3,646
17. Paul Menard - 3,477
18. Aric Almirola - 3,374
19. Juan Pablo Montoya - 3,343
20. Marcos Ambrose - 3,338

Chase Format I (2004-2006):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 5,885
2. Matt Kenseth - 5,861
3. Kevin Harvick - 5,793
4. Jeff Gordon - 5,769
5. Kyle Busch - 5,766
6T. Kurt Busch - 5,690
6T. Clint Bowyer - 5,690
8. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,679
9. Carl Edwards - 5,670
10. Kasey Kahne - 5,611

Chase Format II (2007-2010):
1. Matt Kenseth - 5,886
2. Jimmie Johnson - 5,875
3. Kevin Harvick - 5,783
4. Kyle Busch - 5,771
5. Jeff Gordon - 5,756
6. Kurt Busch - 5,675
7. Greg Biffle - 5,672
8. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,663
9. Clint Bowyer - 5,650
10. Carl Edwards - 5,645
11. Joey Logano - 5,632
12. Kasey Kahne - 5,626
 
ToyYoda said:
Under the pre-chase system, Kenseth would be 6th in points with 6 wins. This, ladies and gentlemen, is why we have the Chase ;)
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The Old system rewarded consistency, being good all the time is what makes a Champion, not being good some of the time like under the Chase format. Personally I hate the Chase, but I don't see it going away, and neither do I see many tweaks coming to it in the near future either.
 
Mopardh9 said:
The Old system rewarded consistency, being good all the time is what makes a Champion, not being good some of the time like under the Chase format. Personally I hate the Chase, but I don't see it going away, and neither do I see many tweaks coming to it in the near future either.
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Excellent post and I full heartely agree.

Jimmie is a blessed man regardless but he has benefitted from the chase the most.

The chase should actually be longer in my opinion. 15 races at least.

Jimmie would have been toast this year if the chase would have started a few races early with all those consecutive 30 place finishes he had.
 
reck said:
Excellent post and I full heartely agree.

Jimmie is a blessed man regardless but he has benefitted from the chase the most.

The chase should actually be longer in my opinion. 15 races at least.

Jimmie would have been toast this year if the chase would have started a few races early with all those consecutive 30 place finishes he had.
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Yep about JJ, I don't know about making the Chase longer, then you only have 21 races to get in, maybe though it might generate more harder racing in the season.
 
FenderBumper said:
Why doesn't nascar reset the points after every chase race and make wins REALLY important? ;)
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I think you're onto something here... reset points every couple of races in the chase and eliminate half the field at a time... by the last race it's a winner-takes-all showdown between two drivers. I mean, isn't that what they want, to make it more like "playoffs"? Maybe that will attract the younger attention deficit crowd they're gunning for lol.
 
reck said:
Jimmie is a blessed man regardless but he has benefitted from the chase the most.
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Very true. And Jeff Gordon and Carl Edwards are the drivers that have been the most screwed by it, as it has cost them each a pair of championships.

However, this year Jimmie would be in much better shape if there was no Chase.
 
Mopardh9 said:
maybe though it might generate more harder racing in the season.
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It worked for the NBA. :D

Some of the best basketball was played during the 2011-12 lockout season.

With only 66 games you had to be on your game. Those back-to-back-to-back games were fun to watch.
 
reck said:
Excellent post and I full heartely agree.

Jimmie is a blessed man regardless but he has benefitted from the chase the most.

The chase should actually be longer in my opinion. 15 races at least.

Jimmie would have been toast this year if the chase would have started a few races early with all those consecutive 30 place finishes he had.
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I'll be honest, I think Johnson would've been Mr. Five Times no matter what points format he was under. We have seen time and time again of Chad and Johnson being able to adjust and adapt to changes, not only to the overall picture of Sprint Cup Racing but also in each individual race. He may have benefited from The Chase, but I honestly believe that he would still be one of the best (top five) drivers in the series today regardless of the points format.
 
SpeedPagan said:
I'll be honest, I think Johnson would've been Mr. Five Times no matter what points format he was under. We have seen time and time again of Chad and Johnson being able to adjust and adapt to changes, not only to the overall picture of Sprint Cup Racing but also in each individual race. He may have benefited from The Chase, but I honestly believe that he would still be one of the best (top five) drivers in the series today regardless of the points format.
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Yup. People who try to equate his success under the Chase with what he "would" have been under old systems obviously don't factor in the fact that Chad has openly admitted that the team operates differently when the Chase starts. It's like they turn on the afterburners. It's impossible to say how many different calls would have been made, how hard Jimmie would have driven etc. etc. under a different points format where every race counts towards the championship.

I mean, hell, he managed to finish 5th and 2nd during his first two years in Cup under the old system...it's not like he was a nobody and then all of a sudden the Chase came along and he was magically good on the tracks in the Chase.
 
DSquad48 said:
Yup. People who try to equate his success under the Chase with what he "would" have been under old systems obviously don't factor in the fact that Chad has openly admitted that the team operates differently when the Chase starts. It's like they turn on the afterburners. It's impossible to say how many different calls would have been made, how hard Jimmie would have driven etc. etc. under a different points format where every race counts towards the championship.

I mean, hell, he managed to finish 5th and 2nd during his first two years in Cup under the old system...it's not like he was a nobody and then all of a sudden the Chase came along and he was magically good on the tracks in the Chase.
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It doesn't matter how Chad would adapt. There are crashes, car parts failures, that come into play that are out of his reach.

Those criterias happen during the course of a season.

Its alot easier to adapt knowing how things are going to be with coming into the chase.

No matter how well prapare you are there is no way you can have 36 good weeks but you can surely make sure you have 10 damn good ones. Or at least 9 outside of Talladega.

Chad is good but he ain't no genie.
 
reck said:
It doesn't matter how Chad would adapt. There are crashes, car parts failures, that come into play that are out of his reach.

Those criterias happen during the course of a season.

Its alot easier to adapt knowing how things are going to be with coming into the chase.

No matter how well prapare you are there is no way you can have 36 good weeks but you can surely make sure you have 10 damn good ones. Or at least 9 outside of Talladega

Chad is good but he ain't no genie.
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Damn close....he knows how to go to the limit...in the grey area and that is what wins!
 
reck said:
It doesn't matter how Chad would adapt. There are crashes, car parts failures, that come into play that are out of his reach.

Those criterias happen during the course of a season.

Its alot easier to adapt knowing how things are going to be with coming into the chase.

No matter how well prapare you are there is no way you can have 36 good weeks but you can surely make sure you have 10 damn good ones. Or at least 9 outside of Talladega.

Chad is good but he ain't no genie.
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Yea, but as we've seen this season, Johnson can be super consistent, which is what the old points system rewarded.
 
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