Current Standings Under Old Points Formats

reck said:
It doesn't matter how Chad would adapt. There are crashes, car parts failures, that come into play that are out of his reach.

Those criterias happen during the course of a season.

Its alot easier to adapt knowing how things are going to be with coming into the chase.

No matter how well prapare you are there is no way you can have 36 good weeks but you can surely make sure you have 10 damn good ones. Or at least 9 outside of Talladega.

Chad is good but he ain't no genie.
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Errkay, but there can also be crashes, car parts failures, and whatever else within the chase. The point is, yes, it's possible to focus a lot of time and energy into 10 races at the end of the season, but that's exactly why you can't compare the chase to the non-chase; you don't know how differently teams would perform if they hadn't done whatever they did in an effort to prepare for the Chase.

And until somebody can prove otherwise, Chad is obviously the genie of the garage area :D
 
DSquad48 said:
Errkay, but there can also be crashes, car parts failures, and whatever else within the chase. The point is, yes, it's possible to focus a lot of time and energy into 10 races at the end of the season, but that's exactly why you can't compare the chase to the non-chase; you don't know how differently teams would perform if they hadn't done whatever they did in an effort to prepare for the Chase.

And until somebody can prove otherwise, Chad is obviously the genie of the garage area :D
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Yeh he is .....but all Genies will have to back in their bottle eventually, Chad has used up most of his Genie abilities in my opinion. The rest of the field is getting wise to him and catching up to his tactics.
 
DSquad48 said:
Errkay, but there can also be crashes, car parts failures, and whatever else within the chase. The point is, yes, it's possible to focus a lot of time and energy into 10 races at the end of the season, but that's exactly why you can't compare the chase to the non-chase; you don't know how differently teams would perform if they hadn't done whatever they did in an effort to prepare for the Chase.

And until somebody can prove otherwise, Chad is obviously the genie of the garage area :D
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They wouldn't worry about it because then they'd have the points they've earned throughout the season to fall back on if they happen to wreck.

Under the old point system one measly wreck would not take you out of the championship as opose to now.

You cant compare chase to non-chase because its idiotic to do so not because of how a particular driver would perform but because of one system resets the points and the other one doesn't.
 
Updated as of Talladega:

Pre-Chase (1975-2003):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 4,430
2. Kyle Busch - 4,269
3. Kevin Harvick - 4,262
4. Matt Kenseth - 4,255
5. Clint Bowyer - 4,190
6. Carl Edwards - 4,189
7. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 4,077
8. Jeff Gordon - 4,042
9. Kurt Busch - 4,012
10. Greg Biffle - 3,936
11. Joey Logano - 3,887
12. Ryan Newman - 3,858
13. Jamie McMurray - 3,826
14. Martin Truex, Jr. - 3,822
15. Kasey Kahne - 3,807
16. Brad Keselowski - 3,763
17. Paul Menard - 3,637
18. Aric Almirola - 3,476
19. Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. - 3,457
20. Jeff Burton - 3,440

Chase Format I (2004-2006):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 6,019
2. Matt Kenseth - 5,969
3. Kyle Busch - 5,926
4. Kevin Harvick - 5,920
5. Jeff Gordon - 5,895
6. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,854
7. Clint Bowyer - 5,829
8. Kurt Busch - 5,804
9. Carl Edwards - 5,787
10. Kasey Kahne - 5,671

Chase Format II (2007-2010):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 6,009
2. Matt Kenseth - 5,994
3. Kyle Busch - 5,931
4. Kevin Harvick - 5,910
5. Jeff Gordon - 5,882
6. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,838
7. Greg Biffle - 5,807
8T. Kurt Busch - 5,789
8T. Clint Bowyer - 5,789
10. Carl Edwards - 5,782
11. Joey Logano - 5,752
12. Kasey Kahne - 5,686
 
Updated as of Martinsville:

Pre-Chase (1975-2003):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 4,590
2. Matt Kenseth - 4,435
3. Kevin Harvick - 4,412
4. Kyle Busch - 4,392
5. Clint Bowyer - 4,360
6. Carl Edwards - 4,316
7. Jeff Gordon - 4,222
8. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 4,219
9. Kurt Busch - 4,121
10. Greg Biffle - 4,074
11. Joey Logano - 4,008
12. Jamie McMurray - 3,960
13. Martin Truex, Jr. - 3,937
14. Brad Keselowski - 3,923
15. Ryan Newman - 3,907
16. Kasey Kahne - 3,889
17. Paul Menard - 3,734
18. Aric Almirola - 3,579
19. Jeff Burton - 3,575
20. Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. - 3,527


Chase Format I (2004-2006):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 6,179
2. Matt Kenseth - 6,149
3. Jeff Gordon - 6,080
4. Kevin Harvick - 6,070
5. Kyle Busch - 6,049
6. Clint Bowyer - 5,999
7. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,996
8. Carl Edwards - 5,914
9. Kurt Busch - 5,913
10. Kasey Kahne - 5,753

Chase Format II (2007-2010):
1. Matt Kenseth - 6,174
2. Jimmie Johnson - 6,169
3. Jeff Gordon - 6,067
4. Kevin Harvick - 6,060
5. Kyle Busch - 6,054
6. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 5,980
7. Clint Bowyer - 5,959
8. Greg Biffle - 5,945
9. Carl Edwards - 5,909
10. Kurt Busch - 5,898
11. Joey Logano - 5,873
12. Kasey Kahne - 5,768
 
Look at Jamie McMurray up in 12th pre-Chase. How about that dude.

And Kasey Kahne has had such a bad Chase he'd be in 16th. Damn.
 
Current points system without the Chase:

1) #48-Jimmie Johnson(X) [5 wins], 1123
2) #29-Kevin Harvick(X) [3 wins], 1088, -35
3) #20-Matt Kenseth(X) [7 wins], 1086, -37
4) #18-Kyle Busch(X) [4 wins], 1057, -66
5) #99-Carl Edwards(X) [2 wins], 1054, -69
6) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr.(X), 1019, -104
7) #15-Clint Bowyer(X), 1018, -105
8) #24-Jeff Gordon(X) [1 win], 1017, -106
9) #16-Greg Biffle(X) [1 win], 992, -131
10) #78-Kurt Busch(X), 981, -142
11) #22-Joey Logano(X) [1 win], 957, -166
12) #1-Jamie McMurray [1 win], 954, -169
13) #2-Brad Keselowski [1 win], 929, -194
14) #39-Ryan Newman(X)[1 win], 929, -194
15) #5-Kasey Kahne(X) [2 wins], 909, -214
(X) = a Chase driver.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Look at Jamie McMurray up in 12th pre-Chase. How about that dude.

And Kasey Kahne has had such a bad Chase he'd be in 16th. Damn.
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Without the chase it wouldn't be a factor . Nobody would notice (or care) who is in 12th and who is in 15th . Same as we don't care who is in 18th and who is in 21st . The chase is the only thing that causes anydiscussion ,like baseball teams trying for a wildcard spot .If you don't have a wild card spot , nobody notices them.
 
ted@economy said:
Without the chase it wouldn't be a factor . Nobody would notice (or care) who is in 12th and who is in 15th . Same as we don't care who is in 18th and who is in 21st . The chase is the only thing that causes anydiscussion ,like baseball teams trying for a wildcard spot .If you don't have a wild card spot , nobody notices them.
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Updated as of Texas:

Pre-Chase (1975-2003):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 4,775
2. Matt Kenseth - 4,600
3. Kevin Harvick - 4,554
4. Kyle Busch - 4,521
5. Clint Bowyer - 4,494
6. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 4,389
7. Carl Edwards - 4,373
8. Jeff Gordon - 4,271
9. Kurt Busch - 4,233
10. Greg Biffle - 4,206
11. Joey Logano - 4,178
12. Brad Keselowski - 4,078
13. Martin Truex, Jr. - 4,058
14. Ryan Newman - 4,050
15. Kasey Kahne - 4,044
16. Jamie McMurray - 4,030
17. Paul Menard - 3,852
18. Jeff Burton - 3,666
19. Aric Almirola - 3,661
20. Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. - 3,642


Chase Format I (2004-2006):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 6,369
2. Matt Kenseth - 6,314
3. Kevin Harvick - 6,212
4. Kyle Busch - 6,178
5. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 6,166
6. Clint Bowyer - 6,133
7. Jeff Gordon - 6,129
8. Kurt Busch - 6,025
9. Carl Edwards - 5,971
10. Kasey Kahne - 5,908

Chase Format II (2007-2010):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 6,359
2. Matt Kenseth - 6,339
3. Kevin Harvick - 6,202
4. Kyle Busch - 6,183
5. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 6,150
6. Jeff Gordon - 6,116
7. Clint Bowyer - 6,093
8. Greg Biffle - 6,077
9. Joey Logano - 6,043
10. Kurt Busch - 6,010
11. Carl Edwards - 5,966
12. Kasey Kahne - 5,923
 
ted@economy said:
Without the chase it wouldn't be a factor . Nobody would notice (or care) who is in 12th and who is in 15th . Same as we don't care who is in 18th and who is in 21st . The chase is the only thing that causes anydiscussion ,like baseball teams trying for a wildcard spot .If you don't have a wild card spot , nobody notices them.
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Agreed. 13th... err uhh.. 14th wouldnt be so special if not for the chase.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Agreed. 13th... err uhh.. 14th wouldnt be so special if not for the chase.
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These guys used to battle for 10th all season long just get to the banquet. Now all anyone cares about is the championship. You could hardly tell there were drivers besides JJ and Kenseth on the track yesterday.
 
FLRacingFan said:
These guys used to battle for 10th all season long just get to the banquet. Now all anyone cares about is the championship. You could hardly tell there were drivers besides JJ and Kenseth on the track yesterday.
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Right.

I dont understand why NASCAR has 12 drivers competing for the championship and only allow the top 10 to be at the banquet.

Its dumb. You might as well only invite first and second because by the time they get to Homestead only two guys would be left competing for said championship.
 
reck said:
Right.

I dont understand why NASCAR has 12 drivers competing for the championship and only allow the top 10 to be at the banquet.

Its dumb. You might as well only invite first and second because by the time they get to Homestead only two guys would be left competing for said championship.
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It definitely would be a slap in the face to win races and lead the points for 26 races only to be told that you're not really good enough to sit with the top 10 in Nascar.
 
reck said:
Right.

I dont understand why NASCAR has 12 drivers competing for the championship and only allow the top 10 to be at the banquet.

Its dumb. You might as well only invite first and second because by the time they get to Homestead only two guys would be left competing for said championship.
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Agreed.. its the championship banquet... all drivers that were eligible should be there. "Sorry .. you didnt do very good once u made the chase.. sit in the crowd!" lol
 
Updated as of Phoenix:

Pre-Chase (1975-2003):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 4,945 (clinched Championship)
3. Kevin Harvick - 4,739
3. Matt Kenseth - 4,694
4. Kyle Busch - 4,667
5. Clint Bowyer - 4,597
6. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 4,554
7. Carl Edwards - 4,478
8. Jeff Gordon - 4,397
9. Kurt Busch - 4,388
10. Greg Biffle - 4,335
11. Joey Logano - 4,321
12. Kasey Kahne - 4,219
13. Brad Keselowski - 4,213
14. Martin Truex, Jr. - 4,200
15. Ryan Newman - 4,189
16. Jamie McMurray - 4,144
17. Paul Menard - 3,967
18. Jeff Burton - 3,778
19. Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. - 3,769
20. Aric Almirola - 3,767


Chase Format I (2004-2006):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 6,539
2. Matt Kenseth - 6,408
3. Kevin Harvick - 6,402
4. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 6,331
5. Kyle Busch - 6,324
6. Jeff Gordon - 6,255
7. Clint Bowyer - 6,236
8. Kurt Busch - 6,180
9. Kasey Kahne - 6,083
10. Carl Edwards - 6,076

Chase Format II (2007-2010):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 6,529
2. Matt Kenseth - 6,433
3. Kevin Harvick - 6,392
4. Kyle Busch - 6,329
5. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 6,315
6. Jeff Gordon - 6,242
7. Greg Biffle - 6,206
8. Clint Bowyer - 6,196
9. Joey Logano - 6,186
10. Kurt Busch - 6,165
11. Kasey Kahne - 6,098
12. Carl Edwards - 6,071
 
Final:

Pre-Chase (1975-2003):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 5,083
2. Kevin Harvick - 4,878
3. Matt Kenseth - 4,874
4. Kyle Busch - 4,813
5. Clint Bowyer - 4,752
6. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 4,724
7. Carl Edwards - 4,605
8. Jeff Gordon - 4,527
9. Kurt Busch - 4,493
10. Joey Logano - 4,463
11. Greg Biffle - 4,426
12. Brad Keselowski - 4,368
13. Martin Truex, Jr. - 4,360
14. Kasey Kahne - 4,343
15. Ryan Newman - 4,301
16. Jamie McMurray - 4,217
17. Paul Menard - 4,013
18. Aric Almirola - 3,882
19. Jeff Burton - 3,872
20. Juan Pablo Montoya - 3,869

Chase Format I (2004-2006):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 6,677
2. Matt Kenseth - 6,588
3. Kevin Harvick - 6,541
4. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 6,501
5. Kyle Busch - 6,470
6. Clint Bowyer - 6,391
7. Jeff Gordon - 6,385
8. Kurt Busch - 6,285
9. Kasey Kahne - 6,207
10. Carl Edwards - 6,203

Chase Format II (2007-2010):
1. Jimmie Johnson - 6,667
2. Matt Kenseth - 6,613
3. Kevin Harvick - 6,531
4. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. - 6,485
5. Kyle Busch - 6,475
6. Jeff Gordon - 6,372
7. Clint Bowyer - 6,351
8. Joey Logano - 6,328
9. Greg Biffle - 6,297
10. Kurt Busch - 6,270
11. Kasey Kahne - 6,222
12. Carl Edwards - 6,198
 
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