Cussing and its reprocutions

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From a historical perspective:

Ron Hornaday was fined $10,000 and docked 25 points for "use of inappropriate language" during a live radio interview during a Busch race at Dover in June. Also, Johnny Sauter was penalized the same amount of money and points for the same infraction after a Busch race at Las Vegas Motor Speedway in March.
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Anything else regardless of the situation with the "chase" would be a blatent double standard. Would however not surprise me though. :p
 
Originally posted by N2racin88@Oct 3 2004, 07:52 PM
Anything else regardless of the situation with the "chase" would be a blatent double standard. Would however not surprise me though. :p
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:yawner: :yawner: :eek:rders: BORING
 
Boring? Hardly. Its called a discussion. Read if you so choose. Junior has indicated:

I hope they understand it was in jubilation. ...It's two different circumstances; when you're happy, I think it's different than doing it in anger. If a guy's jumping up and down in victory lane and lets one slip. I don't think we should put the hammer down."
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Junior may have a point:

The FCC has ruled U2 singer Bono's utterance of the phrase "f@$#%ing brilliant" on live television following the band's Golden Globe win in January, to be an acceptable use of the word. Given the context of the statement and that it "did not describe sexual or excretory organs or activities," the FCC was fine with the singer's  outburst. Conversely, the Parents Television Council did not think is was "f$&#^ing brilliant" for the FCC to make the ruling that saying "f&$#ng brilliant" was, in fact, a "f$%!@ing brilliant" thing for Bono to say.
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:shrug:
 
Personally, I don't see why there is a need for fines and points deductions. However, the precedent has been set. To start creating a gray area now isn't right.
 
Hmmmm.........a little difference here. Jr was sort of celebrating his win. Hornaday and Sauter were just plain p.o.'d and said their piece in anger! A fine is in order.........but a points reduction for a slip of the tongue while being jubilant over a win? That's a little heavy. I would agree with a points reduction if Jr's "s" word bomb were said under the same situation as Sauter and Hornaday........but it wasn't.

But the whining will go on regardless. The "facts" will be put forth and everyone will be happy that their predictions and "evidence" of prejudice are coming true. We'll see what happens next Tuesday........then let the war begin. :D
 
Originally posted by 97forever+Oct 3 2004, 09:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (97forever @ Oct 3 2004, 09:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fergy1370@Oct 3 2004, 08:07 PM
Why don't we just wait and see what happens....?
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Sounds fair to me. [/b][/quote]
well that just takes out all the fun of it

im thinkin its going to be a 25,000 fine and no points
 
Originally posted by fergy1370@Oct 3 2004, 07:07 PM
Why don't we just wait and see what happens....?
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This is a discussion board. I've pointed out what NASCAR has done in the past, what Junior thinks, and what the FCC has done in the past. So discuss. Why talk about just who might win the race next weekend? How about we all wait and see what happens?
 
Originally posted by N2racin88@Oct 3 2004, 07:52 PM
Anything else regardless of the situation with the "chase" would be a blatent double standard. Would however not surprise me though. :p
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Thats not how you started this thread out. But you quickly turned it into that.
 
Originally posted by DirtyMo1381529+Oct 4 2004, 01:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DirtyMo1381529 @ Oct 4 2004, 01:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 97forever@Oct 3 2004, 09:08 PM
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@Oct 3 2004, 08:07 PM
Why don't we just wait and see what happens....?
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Sounds fair to me.
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well that just takes out all the fun of it

im thinkin its going to be a 25,000 fine and no points [/b][/quote]
That'ss an pretty big fine for one little word. I think there will be a fine but not that big. :cheers:
 
?? Turned it into what? Junior bashing? Never have done such a thing. I like the guy. Has absolutely nothing to do with him. I am speaking of the "Chasers" Junior, Busch, Gordon, etc. The group should not be held to a higher standard. Please do not assume what my intent was.
 
Originally posted by bowtie+Oct 3 2004, 08:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bowtie @ Oct 3 2004, 08:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-N2racin88@Oct 3 2004, 07:52 PM
Anything else regardless of the situation with the "chase" would be a blatent double standard.&nbsp; Would however not surprise me though. :p
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Thats not how you started this thread out. But you quickly turned it into that. [/b][/quote]
Exactly.
 
Originally posted by fergy1370+Oct 3 2004, 07:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fergy1370 @ Oct 3 2004, 07:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by bowtie@Oct 3 2004, 08:17 PM
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@Oct 3 2004, 07:52 PM
Anything else regardless of the situation with the "chase" would be a blatent double standard.&nbsp; Would however not surprise me though. :p
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Thats not how you started this thread out. But you quickly turned it into that.
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Exactly. [/b][/quote]
Get off the bandwagon and read above.
 
Originally posted by N2racin88@Oct 3 2004, 05:52 PM
From a historical perspective:

Ron Hornaday was fined $10,000 and docked 25 points for "use of inappropriate language" during a live radio interview during a Busch race at Dover in June. Also, Johnny Sauter was penalized the same amount of money and points for the same infraction after a Busch race at Las Vegas Motor Speedway in March.
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Anything else regardless of the situation with the "chase" would be a blatent double standard. Would however not surprise me though. :p
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While maybe not a Jr bashing thread but it sure looks to me that your original posting of the topic is geared toward a bash somewhere........NASCAR? The Chase? Jr? Who knows. But it sure has all the makings of a bashfest.
 
Originally posted by N2racin88@Oct 3 2004, 08:20 PM
?? Turned it into what? Junior bashing? Never have done such a thing. I like the guy.
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I never acussed you of bashing, just assumuing that Jr wouldn't be fined as much because he is Jr.
 
I actually laughed when I heard Jr swear, but knew it was just the rush of the win. Shortly after the race concluded, I flipped to finish watching the end of Men of Honor on cable TV. They did not bleep out DeNiro's GD-it cookie.

Regardless of a race or in another spectrum, it needs to be handled consistently by fining of networks then individually within arenas such as Nascar. Nascar seems to have a handle on certain things, but it may be time to set up a certain chart so that makes the drivers aware of certain fines or repurcusions.

My guess is a monetary fine and no points deducted.
 
Originally posted by bowtie+Oct 3 2004, 07:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bowtie @ Oct 3 2004, 07:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-N2racin88@Oct 3 2004, 08:20 PM
??&nbsp; Turned it into what?&nbsp; Junior bashing?&nbsp; Never have done such a thing.&nbsp; I like the guy.
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I never acussed you of bashing, just assumuing that Jr wouldn't be fined as much because he is Jr. [/b][/quote]
Well putting it that way makes it appear that I am indicating that NASCAR will not do anything becuase his name is Junior. As indicated in my original post I am talking about those in the "Chase." I've mearly stated an opinion and have not gave any indication that I was directing this towards Junior.

On the other hand if he does so happen get a fine with a points deduction they'd better get extra security out at the Speedway because all the Talladega spectators will storm back into the place and throw debris on the track. :D
 
Originally posted by KelBelle@Oct 4 2004, 01:36 AM
I actually laughed when I heard Jr swear, but knew it was just the rush of the win. Shortly after the race concluded, I flipped to finish watching the end of Men of Honor on cable TV. They did not bleep out DeNiro's GD-it cookie.

Regardless of a race or in another spectrum, it needs to be handled consistently by fining of networks then individually within arenas such as Nascar. Nascar seems to have a handle on certain things, but it may be time to set up a certain chart so that makes the drivers aware of certain fines or repurcusions.

My guess is a monetary fine and no points deducted.
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I think it would be hard to fine the Network. After all it was a live broadcast so when Jr said it it was there. to late to bleep it out. So you really can't blame the network. :cheers:
 
The networks could solve all this with a 5 sec delay of "live" interviews.........the way they did it in the old days with all "live" programming.
 
Originally posted by Gollum+Oct 3 2004, 08:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Gollum @ Oct 3 2004, 08:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-KelBelle@Oct 4 2004, 01:36 AM
I actually laughed when I heard Jr swear, but knew it was just the rush of the win.  Shortly after the race concluded, I flipped to finish watching the end of Men of Honor on cable TV.  They did not bleep out DeNiro's GD-it cookie. 

Regardless of a race or in another spectrum, it needs to be handled consistently by fining of networks then individually within arenas such as Nascar.  Nascar seems to have a handle on certain things, but it may be time to set up a certain chart so that makes the drivers aware of certain fines or repurcusions.

My guess is a monetary fine and no points deducted.
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I think it would be hard to fine the Network. After all it was a live broadcast so when Jr said it it was there. to late to bleep it out. So you really can't blame the network. :cheers: [/b][/quote]
Not trying to argue here, but look what happened to CBS when Janet's floppy boob fell out....
 
But then there wouldn't be the waiting to see what the reaction would be and they might not play some of the arguments and confrontations and such.

I recall watching a golf match one day and Tiger going full tilt to almost put Ted Nugent to shame. That bothered me more since that was in his "hot" stage when a lot of little kids were watching him. I hate to say it but swearing is a common thing at races or at homes watching races.
 
Why not go with a 10-15 second delay? Let the drivers really speak their minds. Sure it would be bleeped out but we all know what they said. I am all for that.
 
Originally posted by N2racin88@Oct 3 2004, 08:59 PM
Why not go with a 10-15 second delay? Let the drivers really speak their minds. Sure it would be bleeped out but we all know what they said. I am all for that.
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I would go for that. I like to see the thrill of victory, the agony of defeat. The drivers are human, they should be allowed to say what they want just after they climb out ofm their cars. If you don't want to hear words like that give a few minutes to catch their breaths.
 
Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Oct 3 2004, 08:06 PM
Hmmmm.........a little difference here. Jr was sort of celebrating his win. Hornaday and Sauter were just plain p.o.'d and said their piece in anger! A fine is in order.........but a points reduction for a slip of the tongue while being jubilant over a win? That's a little heavy. I would agree with a points reduction if Jr's "s" word bomb were said under the same situation as Sauter and Hornaday........but it wasn't.
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Doesn't matter! Junior cussed just like the rest of them. If NASCAR wants to keep its credibility, they better fine him. Cussing is cussing, no matter what the situation is.
 
I hate to see a points penalty, but they need to be consistent. As far as celebrating, or pissed off, both are emotions.
Just my 2 cents.
 
Well, I thought that **** was funny as he!!....I doubt that Nascar will take points, and Jr can certainly afford any fine they hand out!
 
Originally posted by kat2220@Oct 3 2004, 11:03 PM
... I doubt that Nascar will take points, and Jr can certainly afford any fine they hand out!
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They took 25 points away from Sauter and Hornaday, why not do the same for Jr? It's all fair.
 
But this is the CHASE, not your usual, old school race. Jr wasn't the only one to cuss either!
 
Originally posted by kat2220@Oct 4 2004, 12:11 AM
But this is the CHASE, not your usual, old school race. Jr wasn't the only one to cuss either!
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:yawner:
 
Originally posted by kat2220@Oct 3 2004, 11:11 PM
But this is the CHASE, not your usual, old school race. Jr wasn't the only one to cuss either!
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Right.......
 
The circumstances surrounding the use of the word are entirely different!! Cussing is slang for cursing........Hornaday and Sauter were cursing in anger. Jr used a cuss (or curse) word in joy. Pretty big difference. He should have slowed down and not used the word............a fine might help remind him in the future. But to take points because he was happy and used a word he probably uses a lot is going a little overboard.......even in the PC name of being "consistent".

Some people really look for things to holler about........and always have that old "double standard" or "consistent" argument to toss out to back up their shouts. No gray areas.........but, the world is not black and white. Get real and let NASCAR take care of it. If they fine him only, that's what they do. If they fine him and take points that's what they do. If they don't do a damned thing that what they do. They make the rules and they enforce them......and where they see gray, they will act accordingly. Just because you don't see that gray doesn't make you the final judge. NASCAR is the final judge.

And all this is so silly............I haven't heard a word from NASCAR or NBC about it. Have any of you?
 
Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Oct 3 2004, 11:31 PM
The circumstances surrounding the use of the word are entirely different!! Cussing is slang for cursing........Hornaday and Sauter were cursing in anger. Jr used a cuss (or curse) word in joy. Pretty big difference. He should have slowed down and not used the word............a fine might help remind him in the future. But to take points because he was happy and used a word he probably uses a lot is going a little overboard.......even in the PC name of being "consistent".

Some people really look for things to holler about........and always have that old "double standard" or "consistent" argument to toss out to back up their shouts. No gray areas.........but, the world is not black and white. Get real and let NASCAR take care of it. If they fine him only, that's what they do. If they fine him and take points that's what they do. If they don't do a damned thing that what they do. They make the rules and they enforce them......and where they see gray, they will act accordingly. Just because you don't see that gray doesn't make you the final judge. NASCAR is the final judge.

And all this is so silly............I haven't heard a word from NASCAR or NBC about it. Have any of you?
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So what, am I "simply stupid" again?

And yeah, NASCAR has said stuff about it. There is a link on their main page.
 
I remember getting in trouble in grade 1 for saying that exact word and never, in my recollection, swore in class again. Adults should be able to control their mouths if it's against the almighty Nacsar rules.

We certainly do it on here and we're mere humans.
 
Originally posted by slick-nick+Oct 4 2004, 12:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slick-nick @ Oct 4 2004, 12:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kat2220@Oct 3 2004, 11:03 PM
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They took 25 points away from Sauter and Hornaday, why not do the same for Jr? It's all fair. [/b][/quote]
Exactly.IMHO NASCAR will let Him off,again,just like that going below the yellow line last year at Talladega. :p

I wish NASCAR would be more even-handed in Their awards of punishment,certain drivers are clearly favored,mainly due to more popular sponsorships and/or fanbases,rediculous. ;)
 
Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Oct 3 2004, 09:06 PM
Hmmmm.........a little difference here. Jr was sort of celebrating his win. Hornaday and Sauter were just plain p.o.'d and said their piece in anger! A fine is in order.........but a points reduction for a slip of the tongue while being jubilant over a win? That's a little heavy. I would agree with a points reduction if Jr's "s" word bomb were said under the same situation as Sauter and Hornaday........but it wasn't.

But the whining will go on regardless. The "facts" will be put forth and everyone will be happy that their predictions and "evidence" of prejudice are coming true. We'll see what happens next Tuesday........then let the war begin. :D
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Of course we should make the exception for something done in happiness over something done in anger. That would be the only difference, right?



:rolleyes:
 
The context changes a word from being defined as a 'cuss-word' or not????

Wish I would have known that earlier in life. C'mon DEW---think this one through.
 
I have to concur with 97. The "context" in which the word **** is used in happiness as opposed to in anger changes it's definition? :blink: :blink: :blink:
 
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