Cussing and its reprocutions

Once when I told a judge to kiss my ***, I was pretty happy. At least at first. Apparently he didn't understand 'context language distinctions' either.... ****!! :rolleyes:
 
The local (Winston Salem) TV news already has NASCAR penalizing Jr the 25 points. I couldn't find it anywhere on the internet so I don't know if those guys there in High Point have an inside man with NASCAR or not, though they are very close. I know that Jr is sorry he did this and has pled his case to the bosses. Now it's a wait and see thing.
 
That would be jumping the gun just a bit. NASCAR has already indicated that if any fine is handed down it will be either Tuesday or Wednesday.
 
Apparently Lil'E's legion of fans haven't spoken yet. On ThatsRacing the poll is 55% to fine/point penalize him.
But, we all know that NASCAR doesn't have the balls to go up against Lil'E.
'Nuff said... B)
 
How about the $5000 fine and point deduction Mike wallace got (last year?) for cussing and he wasn't anywhere near a microphone. He was out on the track mad cause someone wrecked him and the TV camaras zoomed in and you could read his lips is all. NOW THat WAS pure BS!!!
 
It's simply another case of "what's good for the goose is good for the gander"!!!!

"Sh** is sh** no matter the color or context!!!!!


NASCAR made a rule; imposed it on others; and they better NOT play
the ole "favorites" game in this situation either!!!!!

It doesn't matter what the emotions are. The "WORD" was used. Apply the fine!!!!!
 
It's a damn shame when you can't even enjoy a NASCAR victory over a little "****" :waver:
 
Hey group,

There is no excuse!
Educated, polite adults simply do not use that type of language in public, especially if there are ladies and/or children within earshot!

Context does not, and should not enter into this converstation at all.
Jr. used a word that others have been fined and lost points for using.
NASCAR has repeatedly warned the drivers and crewmembers that this type of language will not be tolerated.
The Federal Communications Commission has warned broadcasters about letting that type of thing get out on the air.

Coming from a 30 year old, someone who is supposed to be an adult and setting an example for yougsters, and who seems not to have paid attention to the sanctioning body and the FCC rulings and warnings, or perhaps feels he is above the rulings of those bodies, this case clearly calls for some sort of severve punishment.

About $50,000 and award the man last place in the point standings for the season.

Now, that might get everyone's attention, and Jr. might clean up his language when he knows he's on the air. (Along with a few others in the business who seem to have no respect for either themselves or those who they subject to their foul mouths.)

Maybe he feels that sort of language is cool, but it simply shows his own lack of respect for himself and others who may be offended by his use of it.
 
boB..................Well Stated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I am in total accord with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Well bob, I agree with "most" of your post. There is no need for drivers to use that language on TV and Jr should be treated the same as all drivers.
 
No Muggle, Jr. should be given a much more severe penalty than what has been handed out in the past. This foul language has been an issue for quite some time now and it appears that the fines and loss of points other drivers have received just has not gotten the message across.

It is not up to NASCAR, nor is it up to the FCC to make changes in the way they conduct their business. It IS up to the drivers to pay attention to the rules as set by the sanctioning body and the Federal body which governs all broadcasting in our country; it IS up to those drivers to obey the rules as they are set up; and it IS up to those drivers, all of whom are supposed to be adults, to clean up their foul language.

This obviously is not happening; it would seem that some of those drivers feel the rules do not apply to them and they can say or do as they wish.
It is time for NASCAR, the FCC, or both to act in a manner which shows the competitors that non-compliance with the set rules will be very, very costly. Not only to the offender, but to their team mates, the team owner and the sponsors.

I agree that it would be harsh to lose a championship over the use of one four letter word, but I would also be willing to bet that it would be quite some time before we heard anymore of those words used by anyone during a NASCAR broadcast.

And let the offender be a man about the whole issue, stand up and take the blame for his own disrespect and disregard of himself and others by using that language so casually and callously.
 
All I've got to say is: What if it had been Kevin Harvick or Robby Gordon? I rest my case. I'm not even sure if Tony would have gotten away with this one.

It'll be a travshamockery if nothing happens.

If I was a betting man I would put my money on the double standard.
 
Originally posted by Hawk3270@Oct 4 2004, 01:15 PM
All I've got to say is: What if it had been Kevin Harvick or Robby Gordon? I rest my case.
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Your point?
 
Originally posted by Hawk3270@Oct 4 2004, 02:15 PM
If I was a betting man I would put my money on the double standard.
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Same here, which is why Nascar has little credibility to me. And if points deductions and fines arent handed, Nascar will have ZERO credibility.


It always seems like Junior is the one who is cursing at free will, he even threw out another curse word during the post race press conference. Either he has little respect for himself or he just needs to grow up. There is a time and place to curse. At the bar or club with the guys? Sure. But at a sports press conference or on live TV? Definitely not.
 
I'll go on record right now that the language does not bother me one iota. I think the penalty was bogus the first time it was applied. but it was applied, so now it's time to be consistent. A word NASCAR has known very little about in the last 25 years.

They're already at zero credibility with me. Have been for a long long time...14 years at least. So I for one will not be surprised in the least when heads get turned on this one and it's somehow different this time...like it's always somehow different when your last name is Earnhardt.

If they take point one away from him, you may mail any hat you wish to be eaten to my attention in care of this forum and I'll eat said hat. But I ain't looking for it.
 
slick-nick, You gotta problem with me? your short condescending replys to my posts make me think you do (this is about the 2nd or 3rd one), I don't think I've done anything to you but if I have offended you in the past I apologize

If you have a problem voice it and we'll get things aired out in an adult manner, if not just don't reply to me, it's pretty simple really, your reply in this post has no meat to it and just suggests that you are baiting me to start something

If I've wronged you just tell me, I'm man enough to apologize

Chris
 
Originally posted by Hawk3270@Oct 4 2004, 02:50 PM
slick-nick, You gotta problem with me?  your short condescending replys to my posts make me think you do (this is about the 2nd or 3rd one), I don't think I've done anything to you but if I have offended you in the past I apologize

If you have a problem voice it and we'll get things aired out in an adult manner, if not just don't reply to me, it's pretty simple really, your reply in this post has no meat to it and just suggests that you are baiting me to start something

If I've wronged you just tell me, I'm man enough to apologize

Chris
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Do I have a problem with you? Not that I know of.. am I suppose to?

I just think its childish when people throw up the same ol responses everytime something happens to Jr.. "What if it were Harvick?, what if it were Robby?, yadda yadda yadda." It doesn't matter if he is my favorite driver or not, but if Kevin said it on TV, then he should get the same penalty as the rest of them. That's the same for Robby and yes, Dale Jr.
 
Nick, sorry I forgot to answer the question "your point"

point is that Harvick (in the past) and Robby have taken their lumps from the media and it just seems that the media is a little too quiet considering, I don't think it's that big a deal but many of the other drivers would have gotten blasted
 
This change in the last 10 races is all about helping inconsistant teams like Jr's who have a few bad races and fall out of the hunt by mid-season. They sure as heck won't take points away now that Nascar has him were they want him.
 
Originally posted by slick-nick+Oct 4 2004, 03:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slick-nick @ Oct 4 2004, 03:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Hawk3270@Oct 4 2004, 02:50 PM
slick-nick, You gotta problem with me?&nbsp; your short condescending replys to my posts make me think you do (this is about the 2nd or 3rd one), I don't think I've done anything to you but if I have offended you in the past I apologize

If you have a problem voice it and we'll get things aired out in an adult manner, if not just don't reply to me, it's pretty simple really, your reply in this post has no meat to it and just suggests that you are baiting me to start something

If I've wronged you just tell me, I'm man enough to apologize

Chris
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Do I have a problem with you? Not that I know of.. am I suppose to?

I just think its childish when people throw up the same ol responses everytime something happens to Jr.. "What if it were Harvick?, what if it were Robby?, yadda yadda yadda." If Kevin said it on TV, then he should get the same penalty as the rest of them. That's the same for Robby, and yes, Dale Jr. [/b][/quote]
Well, If you are going to call other peoples views childish and not discuss things in a civil manner, I think your pissy smart aleck attitude is childish
 
Originally posted by Hawk3270@Oct 4 2004, 03:25 PM
Nick, sorry I forgot to answer the question "your point"

point is that Harvick (in the past) and Robby have taken their lumps from the media and it just seems that the media is a little too quiet considering, I don't think it's that big a deal but many of the other drivers would have gotten blasted
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It's not that big of a deal to me, I just want NASCAR to do onto him as they do onto others. It's only fair.
 
My two cents worth--- and I'm trying to play peacemaker between two good members---I PERSONALLY interpreted what Hawk said as " The penalty would have already come across if it had been a less Nascar favored driver, such as Harvick, RG, (Or God, forbid, Busch or Biffle!)"

Not trying to put words in any ones mouth but thats how I interprted it. Nick, my friend, consider if that could be the case.

:cheers: Now the drinks are on me , guys. :cheers:
 
EMP, I agree. The language didn't bother me either. If there are to be standards then where is the line drawn. If you can read a person's lips then they are fined and I doubt anyone can say with any certainty what Wallace's frame of mind was. Sure, we can all guess. And, probably be correct. Remember, if you are to get compliance then NASCAR must do, as they have in the past, penalize each succeeding transgressor more than the previous until such time as no one dares to commit that particular act again. The Lil'E apologists can make excuses all they want, they know, especially if they have children, what the appropriate action should be.
But, I still say NASCAR doesn't have the balls.
 
Originally posted by Hawk3270@Oct 4 2004, 03:29 PM
I think your pissy smart aleck attitude is childish.
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My pissy smart aleck attitude? Where did that come from?

LOL.
 
Thanks, 97

I'm probably a little over the top and I apologize if I'm being a butt, maybe I just took Nick wrong, it's hard to tell when we are behind a keyboard, I was actually taking up for his guy
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Oct 4 2004, 04:34 PM
My two cents worth--- and I'm trying to play peacemaker between two good members---I PERSONALLY interpreted what Hawk said as " The penalty would have already come across if it had been a less Nascar favored driver, such as Harvick, RG, (Or God, forbid, Busch or Biffle!)"

Not trying to put words in any ones mouth but thats how I interprted it. Nick, my friend, consider if that could be the case.

:cheers: Now the drinks are on me , guys. :cheers:
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Same here.
 
Ok then gang..we can all shake and come up smiling. God knows I have jumped the gun on here before! :lol: :lol:
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Oct 4 2004, 03:34 PM
My two cents worth--- and I'm trying to play peacemaker between two good members---I PERSONALLY interpreted what Hawk said as " The penalty would have already come across if it had been a less Nascar favored driver, such as Harvick, RG, (Or God, forbid, Busch or Biffle!)"

Not trying to put words in any ones mouth but thats how I interprted it. Nick, my friend, consider if&nbsp; that could be the case.

:cheers: Now the drinks are on me , guys. :cheers:
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Yeah, good point. I've read everywhere else and always got the same responses, "If it were Harvick you wouldn't talk, It wouldn't be a big deal to you, yadda yadda."

Just because Harvick is my favorite doesn't mean I think he should get away with whatever he does wrong. I have an open mind, and that's something a lot of people in the NASCAR fan world don't have. I guess I just took it as "another stupid response."

Sorry dude. My mistake.

Drinks are on me instead.. :cheers:
 
May I just interject a bit of advice? Well, I will anyways, like it or not. Please folks, please don't read quite so much innuendo into what others post here. And, instead of "calling someone out on the carpet" in the OPEN forum, as was done earlier, please do so through private message. Thank you.


Now, back to regular programming! :)
 
Like I said before ain't **** changed over here. oopps sorry for the foul language I guess I'll get fined and posts counts taken away, check is in the mail :p
 
Originally posted by 02Pace@Oct 4 2004, 04:29 PM
This change in the last 10 races is all about helping inconsistant teams like Jr's who have a few bad races and fall out of the hunt by mid-season. They sure as heck won't take points away now that Nascar has him were they want him.
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U nailed it. :lol: :waver:
 
Originally posted by steveluvs3@Oct 4 2004, 05:50 PM
Like I said before ain't **** changed over here. oopps sorry for the foul language I guess I'll get fined and posts counts taken away, check is in the mail :p
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Nope,Ur a Jr. fan,so U'll be exempt from any punishment. :lol:
 
Originally posted by boB@Oct 4 2004, 01:08 PM
No Muggle, Jr. should be given a much more severe penalty than what has been handed out in the past. This foul language has been an issue for quite some time now and it appears that the fines and loss of points other drivers have received just has not gotten the message across.
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Rediculous.


Why should one driver be penalized more than another driver for doing the same? Other than him being an Earnhardt, give one good reason.


Drivers have been suspended for bumping and other "champion" drivers have done the same, if not more. They weren't suspended or even penalized during race. But "they speak their mind" or "they are what NASCAR needs", or he drives like Dale did back in the day".

Some of you people really need to get a grip. If NASCAR doesn't take points away from Jr because what he said, I'll be the first to say they were wrong. I don't care if it was said in anger, joy, whatever...he said it and something should be done.

By the way, was Chad Knaus docked points when he said f--k on live TV? I honestly don't remember.
 
Which time? :p

I think once at least they were, but I could be wrong.
 
Folks,

This language thing has been ongoing all season. NASCAR has repeatedly warned all the participants, has fined offenders and even taken points away.
It would appear that some feel they are above the rules and some of the others just seem to be slow learners.

If a person continually violates the rules which he supposedly willingly accepts when he competes, you don't simply impose the same fine over and over again. That sends the wrong message. You must impose larger and larger penalties until those who are rather slow learners finally do get the idea that they too, must obey the rules set forth by their sanctioning body, the broadcasting community, and mature, adult, polite society.
At some point I would think even the slowest of learners would finally understand where the limits are and how to stay within those set limits.

If NASCAR doesn't impose a large fine and loss of points in this case, they have lost any credibility they might have had left.
It will be interesting to see if the FCC has anything to say about the language issue as well.

One thing for certain, that one word has led to a whole lot of words from the fans already this week and it's only Monday!
 
Well, then, lets really get the drivers and crewmembers attention. Lets call on NASCAR to suspend Jr's NASCAR license effective immediately and extend that suspension till January 1, 2006!! I'm sure that will straighten those kids out and they will toe the line............either that or they might revolt and leave the sport completely. But, would that matter anyway? At least we can say, "Boy, NASCAR finally did the right thing!"
 
You and I don't seem to agree on anything but what you just said. :)


Sorry, I was talking about Bob's comments.
 
;) Hey hey wake up and look around... Your mule is dead it is time to stop beating him! It's all been said... wait till the answer is published and then start beating this mule again.
Betsy
 
Originally posted by fergy1370@Oct 4 2004, 05:03 PM
By the way, was Chad Knaus docked points when he said f--k on live TV? I honestly don't remember.
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I believe that Knaus was one of the first to be fined for 'foul language'. There were no points deductions for it tho' as I believe this was 2 years ago. And, I believe the fine was $10K.
 
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