Dale Jr.

It was a combination of BOTH the 48 AND the 8 with the 4 car that started 'the big one'. Nothing more than a result of plate racing and the aero package that the cars must run with. If you have cars running nose to tail and 3 and 4 wide for 200 miles, a wreck is gonna happen. Nascar has got to figure out a way to keep these cars out of these huge packs and spread them out a little more. The smaller fuel cell isn't cutting it. Put the driving back into the driver's hands more!
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Amen
 
majestyx said:
It was a combination of BOTH the 48 AND the 8 with the 4 car that started 'the big one'. Nothing more than a result of plate racing and the aero package that the cars must run with. If you have cars running nose to tail and 3 and 4 wide for 200 miles, a wreck is gonna happen. Nascar has got to figure out a way to keep these cars out of these huge packs and spread them out a little more. The smaller fuel cell isn't cutting it. Put the driving back into the driver's hands more!
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Steve007 said:
Jr. was bumping Wallace coming out of the tri oval.
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And, in the driver's meeting they were told to only bump draft on the back stretch. Sooooo, if Lil'E was bump drafting in the tri-oval, wellll...

As to JJ and JMac theirs was clean racing. Neither had any idea that Lil'E would suddenly go from the back of Riggs bumper to Wallace's bumper.

So I will agree that there is blame to go around. But, not that it was JJ's fault alone.
 
If your talking about someone doing something wrong well its been said over and over dont bump draft in the tri-oval. If your looking for the cause it was a collection of things happening at once, however if you want to blame one thing its called Restrictor plate racing :) .
 
But, not that it was JJ's fault alone.
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i dont think anyone here as laid the entire blame on JJ. he was part of the equation...but not the cause of the wreck.
 
DEI is done.. time for those fools to move over and let Hendrick deliver an azz-kicking to Roush
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Jr is now sitting 9th in point and Waltrip is in 16th and 332 points behind the leader....Both DEI would make the chase right now. i'll keep check of the continuing improvement at DEI.

Still think DEI is done?
 
This Buds For Me, yes, there was someone who laid the blame solely on JJ.

Steve007 said:
The 48 caused that. He also cause the last one by hitting the wall and getting into Harvick.
Nothing new for him though. Just ask Tony and others.
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:D
 
IF i said it once I said it a million times, get rid of the plates and take off all the tape off the nose and they will lose all that front downforce and yes they may get up to 200 mph in the backstrech but I guarantee they will slow it down in the corner and tri-oval because their car is pushing like a dumptruck in the corners, I would be suprised if they could maintain 170 in the corners.
 
barelypure said:
So you're saying that Lil'E wearing out Wallace's bumper had absolutely nothing to do with it?
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As usual, you are exactly right.....Lil'E hit Wallace's bumper which caused Jimmie to move up the track. :rolleyes:


Open your eyes for a second and watch the tape.
 
So JJ was supposed to know that Lil'E was going to bump Wallace up the track and into him. Without the bump Wallace doesn't hit Jimmie. Without that there isn't a wreck, at that point in the race. Its all cause and effect. Jimmie moving up the track was not the cause. It was the impetus of Lil'E's actions. It could be argued that even if Jimmie hadn't moved up the track that Wallace was out of shape enough that he would have continued the turn to the left and contacted with Jimmie or JMac anyway. Or, even over steered back to the right making contact with Riggs or even Lil'E. Remember, Lil'E said that Wallace was bouncing off his front bumper like a woodpecker. But, some here are so intent in not seeing whatever faults that may lie with Lil'E they are willing to make any and all excuses for his actions.
 
And some are so blind by their hatred of Jr. they fail to see JJ come up the track into Wallace.

"So JJ was supposed to know that Lil'E was going to bump Wallace up the track and into him. "
What race were you watching? Wallace never came up the track, JJ did.
 
I've watched this in slow motion many times with my DVR. Seeing as though I have no issues or dislike any of the drivers involved I can make the following statement without any rose colored glasses:


When Junior bumped Wallace he did NOT do so squarely in the rear. He did it slightly off centered. When this happened Wallace's car actually loosened up to the right slightly thus causing his front to move slightly to the left. Coupled with JJ's slow drift up the track which had stopped at that point the two made contact which sent JJ further up the track. What else is their to discuss?????? What point are we trying to make????? This is always going to be an issue with restrictor plate racing. Junior was only doing what just about everyone was doing. Bump drafting. How the hell was JJ to see what was going on near his rear quarter panel? That is what is spotter is for. Blame the spotter then. Quit the whining and finger pointing and move on. All the drivers already have.
 
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