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MOEJOE
Guest
WTF is everybody arguing about. It's just going round and round. If you don't understand it, ask.
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fastfordfan
Guest
David Reutimann will run many of the events Patrick does not; also in the #10 machine
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
Post counts
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
Owned by SHR, and that is where the points go
mike honcho
Knuckleheads
Looks like Blaney.using owner points accrued last season by driver Dave Blaney in TBR's #36 Chevy. Blaney will now be forced to qualify for the "Great American Race" on time.
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fastfordfan
Guest
Reutimann will steer Baldwin's cars in his outings. TBR will reportedly receive technical and pit crew support from SHR as part of the deal.(Sirius Speedway)(1-30-2012
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Yes. Trevor Bayne 18 Cup starts. Danica Patrick zero Cup starts.
Bayne
2010 - 2 Daytona Nationwide starts for Michael Waltrip
2011 - 2 Daytona Cup starts for the Wood Brothers
2011 - 2 Daytona Nationwide starts for Jack Roush
Patrick
2010 - 1 Daytona Nationwide start for JR Motosports
2010 - 1 Daytona ARCA start for Billy Gerhart
2011 - 2 Daytona Nationwide starts for JR Motorsports
mike honcho
Knuckleheads
So what number is Reuiti using?
mike honcho
Knuckleheads
Looks like the cars are owned by Baldwin when Reuti is driving not SHR.Reutimann will steer Baldwin's cars in his outings
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
This one is a little wierd because there are muliple drivers involved . But normally ...If a car owner is getting out of the business , the position that the car and driver finished last year still has some value. That position ,if it was within the top 35 in points ,can cause a new owner to want to buy that team ,car and driver. Basically then , the only thing that changed was the name of the car owner . The car keeps it's starting position within the top 35 that the car and driver earned the previous year.I guess that if it were mid season, it would be even easier to understand. Anyway ,the game is evolving to the point that the actual team doesn't change hands anymore , just the points , more of a paper transaction.
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FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Correct me if I'm wrong, but 'Car' points have often been sold or switched outright without the team / car changing hands. This move seems to make the top 35 'car' points rather than owner points. I know there really is no such thing as car points when setting the top 35, but this move seems to create car points by taking advantage of a gray area in the rules. I think Penske tried to play a game like this back in 2009 to get Brad into the Allstar? race. If I remember correctly, Penske hired a driver with a provisional to qualify the car, then switched Brad into the seat. NASCAR nixed the deal, and rightly so. I hope they do something about this nonsense, but they wont. Danica is $$$$$$$$'s to them, and they may have even helped put the deal together.
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robbybee
Guest
The buying and selling of points is truly a clusterfrack that NASCAR has chosen to ignore.
SHR has the Number 10 and that Number has the points that SHR bought from TBR. When Ruti drives the car he will be guaranteed a starting position. Miss Thang will be guaranteed a starting spot in the 500. This provision is only applicable for the first 5 races, however. As of Race Number 6, the guarantee from 2011 goes away.
If Ruti drives for another owner, he will not carry the points from the 10 car with him. They are called "Owner Points" for a reason.
BUT - Ruti could win a Championship while driving for two different owners, because the Driver Championship is based upon "Driver Points" - but I would not bet the farm on that happening...
SHR has the Number 10 and that Number has the points that SHR bought from TBR. When Ruti drives the car he will be guaranteed a starting position. Miss Thang will be guaranteed a starting spot in the 500. This provision is only applicable for the first 5 races, however. As of Race Number 6, the guarantee from 2011 goes away.
If Ruti drives for another owner, he will not carry the points from the 10 car with him. They are called "Owner Points" for a reason.
BUT - Ruti could win a Championship while driving for two different owners, because the Driver Championship is based upon "Driver Points" - but I would not bet the farm on that happening...
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JustMe
Guest
1st of all to whoever said this is for post counts, you are very wrong. I could care less about that crap or else I'd post more than what I do. Maybe that's why you respond with an answer like that
Ted I understand the swapping of the points, if it stopped there. If Danica drove the 10 for SHR and Reutimann the 210 for TBR I wouldn't even be posting and asking anything. But the article said Danica will drive the 10 and Reutimann will drive the 10 when she doesn't. She will run SHR cars and he will run TBR cars. She drives for Tony and he drives for Baldwin.
Is that not 2 different drivers, 2 different teams using the same points and car number?
Now that being said I've made my last post. I thought this was a place where you could ask about something you didn't understand. Didn't know that if you did you were only doing it for post count.
Ted I understand the swapping of the points, if it stopped there. If Danica drove the 10 for SHR and Reutimann the 210 for TBR I wouldn't even be posting and asking anything. But the article said Danica will drive the 10 and Reutimann will drive the 10 when she doesn't. She will run SHR cars and he will run TBR cars. She drives for Tony and he drives for Baldwin.
Is that not 2 different drivers, 2 different teams using the same points and car number?
Now that being said I've made my last post. I thought this was a place where you could ask about something you didn't understand. Didn't know that if you did you were only doing it for post count.
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#17D500winner
Guest
1st of all to whoever said this is for post counts, you are very wrong. I could care less about that crap or else I'd post more than what I do. Maybe that's why you respond with an answer like that
Ted I understand the swapping of the points, if it stopped there. If Danica drove the 10 for SHR and Reutimann the 210 for TBR I wouldn't even be posting and asking anything. But the article said Danica will drive the 10 and Reutimann will drive the 10 when she doesn't. She will run SHR cars and he will run TBR cars. She drives for Tony and he drives for Baldwin.
Is that not 2 different drivers, 2 different teams using the same points and car number?
Now that being said I've made my last post. I thought this was a place where you could ask about something you didn't understand. Didn't know that if you did you were only doing it for post count.
Man, don't worry about that BS...ignore it and post away.
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
1st of all to whoever said this is for post counts, you are very wrong. I could care less about that crap or else I'd post more than what I do. Maybe that's why you respond with an answer like that
Ted I understand the swapping of the points, if it stopped there. If Danica drove the 10 for SHR and Reutimann the 210 for TBR I wouldn't even be posting and asking anything. But the article said Danica will drive the 10 and Reutimann will drive the 10 when she doesn't. She will run SHR cars and he will run TBR cars. She drives for Tony and he drives for Baldwin.
Is that not 2 different drivers, 2 different teams using the same points and car number?
Now that being said I've made my last post. I thought this was a place where you could ask about something you didn't understand. Didn't know that if you did you were only doing it for post count.
Don't know when a light harted joke is thrown around....What a shame
I will attempt this 1 more time
Danica and Ruti will drive for SHR in the #10...in the ten races that Danica runs the #10 car Ruti will run another car, different#, different points, for TBR.. Not all outings that Ruti is running are for TBR
That's as simple as I can put it
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
1st of all to whoever said this is for post counts, you are very wrong. I could care less about that crap or else I'd post more than what I do. Maybe that's why you respond with an answer like that
Ted I understand the swapping of the points, if it stopped there. If Danica drove the 10 for SHR and Reutimann the 210 for TBR I wouldn't even be posting and asking anything. But the article said Danica will drive the 10 and Reutimann will drive the 10 when she doesn't. She will run SHR cars and he will run TBR cars. She drives for Tony and he drives for Baldwin.
Is that not 2 different drivers, 2 different teams using the same points and car number?
Now that being said I've made my last post. I thought this was a place where you could ask about something you didn't understand. Didn't know that if you did you were only doing it for post count.
I don't want to try and answer your question because I don't want to muddy the waters any further.I think probably what Bucky just said is as simple as possible.Quite frankly this whole thread is confusing me because I am old. As to the bullys on the forum , they have really short attention spans . If you come back tomorrow ,they won't even remember you.I hope that you do return as a poster because we really do need some new views around here ..as you can see. I have identified you as someone I want to read and look forward to hearing more from you.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
I think this article from Scenedaily will explain it all.
http://www.scenedaily.com/news/arti...thanks_to_deal_with_Tommy_Baldwin_Racing.html
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NASCAR does not allow points to be bought but does allow the transfer of points as long as the original owner maintains a minority ownership stake in the car. Team owner Tommy Baldwin said the car will run all season under the Tommy Baldwin Racing banner, even when Patrick drives it, and insisted the points weren't outright sold.
"She's not getting them from anybody – she's driving for Tommy Baldwin Racing," Baldwin said about the points. "Those points are Tommy Baldwin Racing's. They're not hers."
Zippy goes on to talk about 'reuniting' with Baldwin, and everyone is calling it a partnership.
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
WOW, that's a lot different from what I heard the other day...interesting. Thanks for the post
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FlFlash
Guest
Your 100% correct Sir and I'm a stupid donkey, I knew Trevor had ran NW races at Daytona for MW and JR but for some reason just brain farted it away
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FlFlash
Guest
This is what I was refering to when I posted the above way back in the begining of this thread? I'm still confused but I guess BOTH Danica and Ruetti will drive a car #10 collecting points for the same "Team of Record" NASCAR really needs to calrify several issues on this
butt I doubt they will.
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MOEJOE
Guest
It seems as if anybody can work for anybody now, as long as you don't exceed the 4 car limit. Hard to believe that HMS is the only 4 car operation now.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
You're welcome. It clears everything up....except why this kind of game is allowed.
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SlowNeasy
Guest
reuti will drive the #10 for shr when danica isn't driving it? he will drive for tbr (number unknown) when danica drives the #10 for shr. blaney (the screwed) will drive tbr's #36 and have to qualify on speed since tbr sold owner points to shr.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Nobody will drive the #10 for SHR. Read up.
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Restrictor Plate King!
Guest
I'm glad she's in the show no doubt but I hope this gives her some motivation to go out there and race hard in the duels anyway. I'm sure she'll wanna show that she could've done it without the guaranteed slot...
This clears everything up. So Danica will be driving for "SHR", but Tommy's name will be on the entry form. AKA 1/3 of Tony's team will be "under" the "employment" of Tommy for any race Danica is in.
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
I'm not reading through all those posts on here but the story is pretty much this. Danica will be driving her #10 and we will all pretend like it's a TBR car when in reality of course it's a SHR car. Then DR will use her number in a real TBR car. Correct?
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MOEJOE
Guest
Yes, this is what is happening. Let's put this puppy to rest already.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
From here.....
WTF? Danica Patrick's Daytona 500 Deal Explained
Understandably, you've got a lot of questions about how exactly Danica Patrick went from Stewart-Haas Racing to driving for Tommy Baldwin Racing on Tuesday.
Here's an attempt to provide some answers:
Um...what just happened?
Tony Stewart needed a way to get Danica into the Daytona 500. There's no way GoDaddy wanted to show up for Speedweeks not knowing if its driver would actually make the race (and given it's her first Sprint Cup Series experience, there's a decent chance she would have missed the 500).
So Stewart had to get owner points for Danica from another team. Sure, he could have given up his points from last season and then used a past champion's provision to make the race himself. But if he did that, his points would have been gone after five races (since Danica isn't running all the events).
I still don't get it. Where does Tommy Baldwin Racing come in?
Stewart and Tommy Baldwin Racing used NASCAR's shady points system to work out a clever deal: Danica and TBR driver David Reutimann will "split" the No. 10 car, which will technically be run under the TBR banner.
That way, Reutimann can keep the seat warm for Danica – and make sure the car stays in the top 35 for the other nine races after Daytona. So when Danica shows up at difficult tracks such as Darlington and Bristol, she'll already be in the show.
So, wait. Danica is driving for Tommy Baldwin now?
Technically, yes – but not really. Sure, she'll be racing for Tommy Baldwin in the eyes of NASCAR. But she'll likely have Greg Zipadelli as her crew chief – not Baldwin, who will probably crew chief for Reutimann – and she'll almost certainly be driving Stewart-Haas cars with Hendrick engines.
Reutimann will still be driving second-tier TBR cars. If you think Danica's No. 10 car will be the same as Reutimann's No. 10 or "teammate" Dave Blaney's No. 35 – you're kidding yourself. This isn't going to be like true teammates sharing a car, like Mark Martin and Michael Waltrip in the No. 55.
Tommy Baldwin won't be paying Danica a dime of salary. In fact, SHR is likely paying Baldwin a substantial sum to make this deal happen.
You're sexist! How is this different than any other points deal with man?
First of all, the Danica situation is merely an illustration of how broken NASCAR's system is. This isn't meant to make her look bad, because all of us would do the same thing if we were in the shoes of SHR, TBR or Danica (although her shoes look painful to wear).
This deal is different than some in the past, though. Instead of SHR purchasing the points via merger (and thus having Baldwin take a minority interest in the team), SHR is technically outsourcing a driver. But again...not really.
This doesn't seem right. How come NASCAR doesn't step in?
NASCAR apparently is cool with all this. After all, officials have to be psyched to have Danica in the Daytona 500 field – they want the publicity and the TV ratings.
Points deals are an annual controversy NASCAR endures but then (correctly) assumes will go away. This one may be high-profile and complicated, but will likely be no different in the end.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Exactly. Simple, right?
SHR and TBR picked the right driver to do this with. I have to believe that most rookie drivers wouldn't get away with this. I also think that Reutimann may get screwed in this deal if Danica does well and has a shot at rookie of the year. She only needs 16 or 17 solid races to win it, so Dave may be driving that 'other' car more than planned.
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FlFlash
Guest
This entire side slip gray area wheeling and dealing has put even more faith in my beleif that ( NASCAR's "Future Star" ) Danica Patrick is a shoe-in for the Daytona 500!!!
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MOEJOE
Guest
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SlowNeasy
Guest
and rookie of the year in nationwide along the way to winning the 2012 nationwide championship. too bad she elected to earn points in nationwide or she would have won roty in cup and beaten keselowski for the 2012 sprint cup championship. oh well, it's a start. <g>
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robbybee
Guest
DP, that article you posted was great! Thanks, Mang!!
I think that we should start putting TWO $$ in NA$CAR. From Now On...
NA$$CAR - cause all of the principals are A$$ES and only out for the $$.
I think that we should start putting TWO $$ in NA$CAR. From Now On...
NA$$CAR - cause all of the principals are A$$ES and only out for the $$.
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MOEJOE
Guest
FUNNY $HIT RIGHT THERE
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FlFlash
Guest
I'm so Happy Danica is coming to Cup I've had a hoot talking about it. Thanks Everyone
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Me? I don't give a hoot until she does something. She's earned a chance, but PLEASE Danica, shorten your answers to simple questions. We don't need to hear every detail of every conversation you have with your team.
Danica, how was the car handeling?
"Well, Tony said yadda, yadda, yadda ..and then I said yadda, yadda, yadda...then Tony said yadda, yadda, yadda.."
SLAP! Just answer the friggin question already!
Danica, how was the car handeling?
"Well, Tony said yadda, yadda, yadda ..and then I said yadda, yadda, yadda...then Tony said yadda, yadda, yadda.."
SLAP! Just answer the friggin question already!
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
She talks a lot and fast. Jr takes an hour to finish a sentence lol
Imagine the convo's they have.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
lol I hadn't thought about the contrast. Like a married couple.
"Yadda, yadda, yadda..."
"Well, umm..."
"Yadda, yadda, yadda..."
"umm, Yes...."
"Yadda, yadda, yadda..."
"Dear..I guess"