DEI to appeal penalty

i know the rules of football do not deduct points, that is the point im trying to make. same as if a goal is scored in hockey and a fight breaks out (they award a penalty for fighting, but do not take the goal away).
 
Originally posted by MCanyon@Oct 6 2004, 03:56 PM
I am by no means a Junior fan, but i see DEI's point here. Sure a precident was set with Sauter and Hornaday, but when they got their points taken away, they were not in the same chase for the cup senario. Since they are not in the same situation, then the same precident does not neccisarily apply.
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So during the last ten races, those in contention have different rules and standards that apply only to them?

That's great. Hope Sadler puts a bulldozer blade on the front of that thing from here on out, mounts some James Bond tricks in the rear bumper to eliminate the competition, and pulls a Harvick every oter week and just bashes the other 9 out. Since the rules are all different.
 
Originally posted by MCanyon@Oct 6 2004, 07:56 PM
I am by no means a Junior fan, but i see DEI's point here. Sure a precident was set with Sauter and Hornaday, but when they got their points taken away, they were not in the same chase for the cup senario. Since they are not in the same situation, then the same precident does not neccisarily apply.

also, someone stated that nascar is the only sport to take away points after they are earned. example, would be a football celebration after a toutchdown. the penalty doesnt take 2 points away from the touchdown, it awards the full touchdown and puts the penalty onto the next play. I think this would be good for Nascar too. How about having the team start 5 spots lower than their qualifying position, or maybe 10 spots, or even have them start dead last. plus they could get last pick for pit stall, and have to qualify first. basically i think it is a bad idea to take away what is already earned. you can still award a penalty to a team, without deducting points.

like i said, i am by no means a fan of juniors, but i think DEI made a good point. At first I was even hoping that Jr. would lose points because i thought it only fair if Sauter and Hornaday did. But, they make a pretty convincing point. Besides, like they said, if the penalty is going to be so severe in this Chase for the Championship, then you end up seeing a lot of boring personalities in Nascar, due to everyone being in fear of costing their team the Cup.

just my opinion.
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So your saying that being in a championship chase gives you the right to break the rules and say any thing you please. Don't think so. :lol:
 
Definitely some interesting points of view here and I'm sure with the quorum, they'll have a variety of views, also, and take that into consideration.

The points deduction hurts those in "the chase" right now more so than a Rusty Wallace or Bobby Labonte.

Maybe the interviews held need to be put off until after the celebration then to allow the drivers to relieve their adrenaline rush so they are thinking clearly again and not so overwhelmed with their win/loss/situation. However, we know that isn't going to happen as that keeps one more fan glued to the TV/radio listening to what is going to be said. And, we know that the drivers want to give fans a piece of their "win" so they won't deny an interview thinking they may slip up.

I hate to think that Jr would lose the championship with just a few points due to this situation. But, I can also see that Jamie should be put back into the running if Jr's situation is overturned.


Wonder if there's any betting/wagers in Vegas regarding this situation???
 
I'm a Jr fan. I'm not complaining about the penalty..........not particularly happy about it, but not complaining. It's done and time for Jr to make it up on the track or let it take him down.........time will tell which way that goes. But, during an interview when Jr was leaving the mic to go celebrate with his team and have a final question about his 5th win at Talladega compared to his father's 10 and Jr popped off a "It don't mean sh-- yet" over his shoulder (or something to that effect) and penalize the same as someone who was really p.o.'d about a racing incident is a little heavy handed. Then we get the band wagon joiners screaming consistency. A crime is a crime.........must follow the letter of the law. No gray areas........everything's black and white. It's not NASCAR's delving out the points reduction that bothers me.........it's the glee and joy of a few about it. It's the kick 'em while you got 'em down attitude. Pretty childish.

Oh and if there is a line in Vegas on this getting overturned.........I'm going with it will not.
 
Record a 3 hour Nascar Race and count the number of times you hear any cuss words....Including Dale Jr's 3 from last week and then watch any network channel for 3 hours at any time and count the same...and you want to say Dale Jr should be ashamed... BULL CHIT!!!

All jokes asside, if NASCAR wants to be this perfect clean cut "G" rated event they need to make a few more changes....and put their money where their mouth is...

1. Shut down the in car radio broadcasts to the internet and only opperate on privately secured channels which only the teams can tune into. (Only about $25 million dollers in revenue)

2. Remove all Beer & Drug advertisments from Cars and any NASCAR sponsord products, including no sale or use of alcohol at race events. (Over $200 million dollars annually)

3. Take away points from teams whom act out visual acts of violence before, during or after races. (FREE)

4. Fine teams and take away points for all indicent hand jestures before, during or after races. (FREE)

5. OH yea..almost forgot...outlaw any fans from wearing bikinis or risque clothing at sporting events.... (FREE)


Now NASCAR can say they are clean cut and "G" rated....Just what we all want!! Including NASCAR... So when do we start with the new CHANGES???????
 
N.A.S.C.A.R.(Never Answering "**** " Could Alter Racing)

You have to ask yourself one question... Why are you a NASCAR fan?? Could it be the... Comfortable seating? Cool Weather? Clean Bathrooms? Sober Fans? Tight Uniforms? Cheap Tickets? Sponsors? Sexy Drivers? Predictable Finishes? I think NOT!!

We all are Racing fans for the same reasons... Heritage...Unpredictability...BEER...Speed...
Personalities..FlashyCars..BEER..Crashes... Enthusiastic Fans...Cool Memorabilia... BEER...Wrecks...and oh yea...Bikinis!!!!!!

NASCAR should take a step back for a minute and refect on their sport's founders...Change is always imminent, However "Cake & Ice Cream" will never replace "Steak & Lobster"

IMPROVE THE SPORT!!! DON'T REWRITE IT!!!
 
Im not saying that because Junior is racing for a championship he shouldnt be penalized and Sauter and Hornaday should. But a 25 point penalty to them is not as bad as it would be to Jr. during the last ten races of the season, because the top ten were only seperated by 5 points each. If they were racing under last seasons championship rules, i would say "good Jr. got what he desirved, now lets move on to the next race."

I know that Nascar has given out 25 point penaltiies across the board recently for cursing. but, it is obvious that Juniors 25 point penalty is relatively larger than Sauter's or Hornaday's. Because, of the different championship structures between Busch and Nextell, i think that the incidents should possible have different punishments.

Likewise, if you think Jr. got what he desirved, then maybe Sauter and Hornaday got off light then.

Also, Im not totally disagreeing with Nascars penalty on Jr. (infact, im surprised they did anything more than a slap on the wrist), Im just saying i can see where DEI is comming from with their argument against the point deduction.

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