Did Mayfield know what gave him his positive result?

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According to the doctor that performed the test, the answer is yes.

Doctor: Substance revealed to Mayfield: The administrator of NASCAR's drug-testing program said Monday he personally told Jeremy Mayfield what banned substance was found in his positive test. Dr. David Black, CEO of Aegis Sciences Corp., which runs the testing program, said he specifically identified the drug in several conversations with the Sprint Cup driver over a three-day period after NASCAR suspended him. "I spoke with him about his positive test result on the day he was suspended, and I spoke to him directly about the test result," Black told The Associated Press. "Yes, by name of what he tested positive for." On Saturday, Mayfield said he was never told what drug caused the positive test and has yet to receive a copy of the results. Black said he was not sure if Mayfield has seen the test results because a copy would be issued by NASCAR, not Aegis. NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said he was not aware of any request by Mayfield to obtain the results. "We'd be happy to provide one if he wants it," Poston said. "We've done this in the past upon request for those who tested positive." Mayfield maintains the use of a prescription drug with over-the-counter allergy medication Claritin-D led to his positive result. Black has repeatedly rejected that explanation.(Associated Press)(5-19-2009)
 
So it boils down to who are you gonna believe? The science laboratory or the drugee?
What would one expect a drugee to say when he gets caught? Yeah, I'm an addict! Look at the marks on my arm!.. No to a man they always say it wasn't them...it is a mistake in the laboratory..
Although NASCAR nor the lab guys have named the drug it is possible to read between their lines and see that it was an intentional hard drug use.
Of course this is only my opinion.
Betsy
 
Oh, I agree. I think NASCAR wants to keep the name of the drug out of the news because it will be a black eye on the sport. Mayfield knows they won't tell it, so he's trying to make everyone think he's the victim and public pressure will cause NASCAR to retract the suspension. That's what I think.
 
This story has been beat so much I could care less who says what about the issue.
 
From what I've read and heard it is part of the Privacy agreement that NASCAR can't release the name of the substance however "IF" the person accused so chose they could release it. He could request a written report from the lab and would actually have facts to back up his claims.
"If you look back over the last 20 years of our policy we just haven't disclosed that, and let me tell you why," France said. "No. 1, we do take it serious. No. 2, there is a privacy area. We're talking about somebody's medical record and somebody's health record.
"Our view is there is nothing gained by disclosing exactly what the substance was that tested positive in Jeremy's case or anybody else's."
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There's articles by David Newton:
http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=4176268

In this article a Dr. from a different lab supports Dr. Blacks claims.

Here is another article saying they need a banned drug list, but -- Penn State professor
and drug-testing expert Charles Yesalis does NOT disagree that the findings of the test are legitimate.

"[Mayfield] can say whatever he wishes to say," Black said. "I think we're on very, very good ground. I'm very confident in the interpretation of the test and the action we took."
Yesalis doesn't disagree that the findings of the test are legitimate. He, too, never has come across a positive test caused by the use of Claritin D, although "if somebody doubled or tripled the dose I wouldn't want to be next to them at 190 miles per hour going into the first turn at Darlington."
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So my conclusion is NASCAR is a customer of Aegis Sciences Corp, the #1 drug testing lab in the country. NASCAR does not perform the test or collect samples for testing, that is all between the lab and the person being tested. Maybe Jeremy better consider suing the Labs as they are the one that did the testing and has "labeled" him as he calls it. NASCAR is only enforcing the policies based on the results furnished by the Lab.

Next thing is that Along with Dr. Black, CEO of the top lab in the country you have 2 other experts that even though the disagee on somethings like having a banned substance list, they all agree that what Jeremy claims that the drugs he says he's taken could not produce the results that they have.
This is just 1 testing, but it was tested the second time also with the exact same results.
 
It's illegal for NASCAR to divulge medical information because of the HIIPA Privacy Rule.
 
I wonder why they haven't provided him with a letter stating the results, you know something like:

Dear Jeremy,
You tested positive for *********
Have a nice day
btw, you're suspended.

Your Friend,
Brian:D
 
SST55 said:
I wonder why they haven't provided him with a letter stating the results, you know something like:

Dear Jeremy,
You tested positive for *********
Have a nice day
btw, you're suspended.

Your Friend,
Brian:D
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What's the point?
The fact is he was notified verbally multipule times just as laid out to the plan that he agreed to abide by.
 
SST55 said:
I wonder why they haven't provided him with a letter stating the results, you know something like:

Dear Jeremy,
You tested positive for *********
Have a nice day
btw, you're suspended.

Your Friend,
Brian:D
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I'm a documentation OCD person. I would want it in writing too. :)
 
I could care less about Mayfield, he is a washed up never was anyway, it would be one thing if this was a HIGH profile driver , but it isn't...let it rest.
 
I agree he should have also been notified in writing and I think that's his out for saying he doesn't know what the substance is, just ask an attorney.

More importantly I agree with TRL and others, I am so over this already
 
Mopardh9 said:
I could care less about Mayfield, he is a washed up never was anyway, it would be one thing if this was a HIGH profile driver , but it isn't...let it rest.
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That means he doesn't have the same rights as anyone else, succesful or otherwise?
 
FWIW, Claritin D contains loratidine and pseudoephedrine sulfate. The pseudo (being an ingredient used to manufacture meth) will cause a positive test for methamphetamine. All they have to do is look for the other ingredients (active or inactive) that are in Claritin D to be present in the sample to see if Mayfield is being truthful. My guess is there were no other Claritin D ingredients in the sample.
Bad move for Jeremy. It'll be hard for him to get a sponsor now.
 
Black said he was not sure if Mayfield has seen the test results because a copy would be issued by NASCAR, not Aegis.
NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said he was not aware of any request by Mayfield to obtain the results.


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“We’d be happy to provide one if he wants it,” Poston said. “We’ve done this in the past upon request for those who tested positive.”
Mayfield maintains the use of a prescription drug with over-the-counter allergy medication Claritin-D led to his positive result.
Black has repeatedly rejected that explanation.
“I did address specifically and explicitly what he tested positive for, and that led to the discussion of his over-the-counter and prescription use,” Black said. “I explained carefully and completely that his positive test result was not related to an over-the-counter or a prescription.
“They were not the cause, and could not be the cause, of his result.”
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news...p-nascar-mayfieldsuspension&prov=ap&type=lgns


The proper way to make a request is not through the media, it would be in writing to NASCAR from what I understand.

The real point is, that this was the procedure laid out to him and other drivers they agreed to when applying for their license. He KNEW what would happen and he's using it to play the media and public like a well used fiddle.


This is JJ's interview on NN today. about 2/3 of the way through they discuss the JM situation.http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=

I have one question I have asked before and no one has an answer.
"IF" JM had a problem with how the program worked, why did he not raise heck a few months ago?
He's a team owner, he had a team member fail the drug test and be suspended earlier this year, why didn't he raise a stink then?
 
Eagle1 said:
...I have one question I have asked before and no one has an answer.
"IF" JM had a problem with how the program worked, why did he not raise heck a few months ago? ...
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Because he wasn't suspended a few months ago.
This is just speculation based on the available information:
Jeremy was called in randomly and (IMO) tested positive for methamphetamine. Meth only remains in the body for 3-4 days. Maybe he wasn't expecting to be called in within 3-4 days.
Again, pure speculation.
Regardless, it would seem to be the final nail in Jeremy's career coffin.
 
All this explains why Jeremy has been let go by top teams, and hasn't been looked at for a top ride since.

See ya dopee!!! Maybe there is room at IRL
 
GREAT AMERICAN RACE FAN said:
All this explains why Jeremy has been let go by top teams, and hasn't been looked at for a top ride since.

See ya dopee!!! Maybe there is room at IRL
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By that same logic, Nemechek, Craven and Mike Bliss are "dopees" too. NASCAR needed someone expendible to prove that they're tough on drug use and Jeremy fit the bill.
 
kelloggs5TLfan said:
I was sort of wondering the same thing.
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I never said that did I? All i said was he isn't worth talking about to the extent this thread has gone. Mayfield has never been an oustanding racer, never been a legitimate contender for a championship. Made the Chase i believe once, but come on Mayfield has made his bed let him lay in it. He has rights just like everyone else, just don't put him on a pedestal he doesn't deserve it. There is a reason why he has worn out his welcome at various teams he has been with and there is a reason why he is driving for himself...no one wants him. He obviously did something wrong, leave it at that and move on, he isn't worth the time and effort....enough said.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I never said that did I? All i said was he isn't worth talking about to the extent this thread has gone. Mayfield has never been an oustanding racer, never been a legitimate contender for a championship. Made the Chase i believe once, but come on Mayfield has made his bed let him lay in it. He has rights just like everyone else, just don't put him on a pedestal he doesn't deserve it. There is a reason why he has worn out his welcome at various teams he has been with and there is a reason why he is driving for himself...no one wants him. He obviously did something wrong, leave it at that and move on, he isn't worth the time and effort....enough said.
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Well you have to expect alot of plublicity for the first cup driver to violate the drug policy. It doesnt matter if it was Jeremy, Jeff Gordon, or Derrick Cope all people here is that a cup driver failed there drug test and he's denying it now everyones going ape **** weather its people protesting his innocents or people chanting burn in hell.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I never said that did I? All i said was he isn't worth talking about to the extent this thread has gone. Mayfield has never been an oustanding racer, never been a legitimate contender for a championship. Made the Chase i believe once, but come on Mayfield has made his bed let him lay in it. He has rights just like everyone else, just don't put him on a pedestal he doesn't deserve it. There is a reason why he has worn out his welcome at various teams he has been with and there is a reason why he is driving for himself...no one wants him. He obviously did something wrong, leave it at that and move on, he isn't worth the time and effort....enough said.
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If you'll go back and re-read, I said, "I was wondering the same thing".
Mayfield has just as much right to due process as the rest, regardless as to who it may be. :)
 
Will somebody call Jack-In-The-Box cause I think this horse is ready to be made into hamburgers.
 
SST55 said:
I wonder why they haven't provided him with a letter stating the results, you know something like:

Dear Jeremy,
You tested positive for *********
Have a nice day
btw, you're suspended.

Your Friend,
Brian:D
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Mayfield was supposedly told what he tested positive for.
 
mike honcho said:
Will somebody call Jack-In-The-Box cause I think this horse is ready to be made into hamburgers.
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said that they would not even consider this dead horse. This horse is dead, beyond dead and is of no use to them. You probably need to follow up with Jack-In-The-Box. :beerbang:
 
MRM said:
Mayfield was supposedly told what he tested positive for.
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It's been my experience in business, Nascar is a business, that anytime one recieves a warning, reprimand etc a written copy is put into that person's personel folder along with a copy given to them without them asking for it. I sometimes asked them to sign stating only to prove they received a copy, not that they agreed with it. It's called a paper trail so if or when the need arises to terminate the reasons are clear and that numerous warning were given, there are no surprises.

This is what I find puzzling, the lab tells Nascar, Nascar tells the competitor. And there is no paperwork provided to the competitor? At least that's the story we've heard, at best he was verbally informed that he failed and what was found.

I do believe if this were to go to court tomorrow Jeremy would win.

I'll take my horseburger medium well please:rolleyes:
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
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said that they would not even consider this dead horse. This horse is dead, beyond dead and is of no use to them. You probably need to follow up with Jack-In-The-Box. :beerbang:
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I figured they would luv to have it.As much :youliketh this horse took he should be really tender.
 
Here's what kills me........

" NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said he was not aware of any request by Mayfield to obtain the results.

"We'd be happy to provide one if he wants it," Poston said. "We've done this in the past upon request for those who tested positive. "


Who in their right mind would not want a result list if positive and felt they were innocent. Either he didn't request it because he knew he was guilty, or there's no substance to the test.... no pun intended.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
img_elmerslogo.gif
said that they would not even consider this dead horse. This horse is dead, beyond dead and is of no use to them. You probably need to follow up with Jack-In-The-Box. :beerbang:
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I think they're just making sure the horse is dead. :rolleyes:
 
The horse ain't dead yet...And, FYI, the critter on the Elmer's label is a cow...
Mayfield hires lawyer, has toxicology report: NASCAR driver/owner #41-Jeremy Mayfield, suspended indefinitely from the sport for violating its substance-abuse policy, has retained legal counsel in the effort to clear his name. Bill Diehl, the same attorney who represented Elliott Sadler last winter in a dispute with Richard Petty Motorsports, confirmed Wednesday he is working with Mayfield, but that no suit has yet been filed. "Yes, we're working hard for Jeremy," Diehl said. "Either we'll work it out or the court will. We have not filed yet, but we're working hard. That's all I can tell you." NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston confirmed that Diehl had been in contact with the organization. "I can confirm that Mr. Diehl has been in touch with NASCAR, and we've provided him with relevant information pertaining to Jeremy's suspension, including the toxicology report," Poston said. Mayfield was not immediately available for comment.(ESPN)(5-20-2009)
 
Mayfield's Attorney Breaks Silence In Exclusive Sirius Speedway Interview

From Sirius-Speedway.com

This is for those of you, like me, that didn't have a chance to hear this interview yesterday.

Jeremy Mayfield's new attorney, Bill Diehl, spoke publically for the first time Wednesday, speaking exclusively with Sirius Speedway about his client, a possible lawsuit against NASCAR and the impact of the controversy on Mayfield's career.

Dave Moody – Has there been, or will there be a lawsuit filed in this matter?

Bill Diehl – First question, no lawsuit has been filed. Will there be a lawsuit? That will depend on what happens between Jeremy and NASCAR, which ought to be known in the next couple of days.

DM – What kind of conversations are being had between Jeremy, yourself, NASCAR and their representatives to try and settle this?

BD – They’re obviously focused on whether or not Jeremy was suspended properly. Is what happened to him legitimate, should he stay suspended, should he have to go through some type of rehabilitation that they’ve asked for? Has he been mistreated and have they improperly deprived him of a way to make a living. There are (also) some side issues. They’ve said a lot of things about him that Jeremy doesn’t believe are true. There’s a separate remedy for that kind of behavior.

DM – Specifically, what has been said?

DB – I read a report where Mr. France gratuitously announced that the serious recreational drug use by Mr. Mayfield was very difficult, very bad. Accusing somebody that’s driving a racecar a couple hundred miles an hour of serious recreational drug use, that’s probably not a very good thing to say about him. Especially if it’s not true.

DM – Can you tell us, what specific substance has NASCAR accused Jeremy of having in his system?

BD – We have two reports that they furnished me (with) yesterday and then they just sent me one a couple hours ago that they hadn’t furnished. I’m not going to talk about them yet. If we get in a situation where we’ve got to talk about them, we’ll talk about them.

DM – Do the two reports come to the same conclusion? Do they name the same substance?

BD – I’m not going to tell you what the reports say. I’ve read lots of stuff that indicates what the NASCAR reps have said and what this guy (Dr.) Black has said. The game about what is in the report is just that at this point. It’s a game. But I’m not going to participate in that game currently, beyond saying that they finally furnished two reports which they probably should have given to Mr. Mayfield long before this week.

DM – Jeremy has said from the start that this all boils down to a prescription medication that was prescribed by a doctor for his allergies, combined with a couple of Claritin D tablets that he took on the day in question at Richmond. Can you tell me what the prescription medicine that he took was?

BD – No, I won’t reveal that yet. But again, that’s something that he’s told NASCAR. They know what it was, and they’ve gotten the information from the doctor. They’re dealing with everything Jeremy could have furnished them (with) about anything that he’d taken, according to Jeremy. He did take a prescription drug, he does have a medical doctor who prescribed it, and they have that data and they had the information about the Claritin D.

DM – What would it take at this point to avoid taking this to court?

BD – Some type of acknowledgement that what happened was a mistake on the part of somebody, in connection with what they did and how they did it. We’re exploring that with them. We can’t put Humpty Dumpty back together again. They’ve said it, they’ve suspended him, and we know there are a couple of reports because we now see them. Somebody is going to have to come forward and acknowledge that, well, we thought we did what we were supposed to do, (but) maybe we made a mistake, let’s try it again.

DM – What’s Jeremy’s frame of mind and attitude right now?

BD – I think he’s very upset and he’s insulted. He’s had a 17-year career, had some successes. He’s just getting started with his own team, and this sort of takes you out at the knees if you’re suddenly accused of being a recreational drug user and you’re suspended from doing what you get paid to do. He wants everybody to know that he’s not guilty of what he’s accused of.

DM – Is there any unofficial timeline at this point for you to decide whether or not this takes the next step into the legal system?

BD – Yes, there is. But I’m not going to tell you what it is.

Sirius-Speedway.com: Mayfield's Attorney Breaks Silence In Exclusive Sirius Speedway Interview
 
BobbyFord said:
Because he wasn't suspended a few months ago.
This is just speculation based on the available information:
Jeremy was called in randomly and (IMO) tested positive for methamphetamine. Meth only remains in the body for 3-4 days. Maybe he wasn't expecting to be called in within 3-4 days.
Again, pure speculation.
Regardless, it would seem to be the final nail in Jeremy's career coffin.
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true- a tuesday hit may or may not be picked up by nascar, depending on the day.
 
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