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News Alert: CNN reports that the two men arrested are John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo, subjects of an arrest warrant, but not directly connected by authorities to the shootings.
FREDERICK, Md. (Oct. 24) - Two men wanted for questioning in the wave of deadly sniper attacks were arrested early Thursday after they were found sleeping in their car at a Maryland rest stop, authorities said.

The arrests came amid a flurry of activity in the investigation of the attacks that have killed 10 people and wounded three others since Oct. 2.

The break occurred hours after authorities descended on a home in Tacoma, Wash., that was believed to hold clues important to the investigation. They then issued a nationwide alert for the car, spotted by a motorist and an attendant at the rest stop.

Members of the sniper task force arrested the men without incident at 3:19 a.m. off I-70 in Frederick County, Md., about 50 miles northwest of the nation's capital, said Larry Scott, an agent for the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

The men were arrested in a car that matched a description police gave at a midnight press briefing, said Maj. Greg Shipley, a spokesman for the Maryland State Police.

''I don't know what their reaction was,'' Shipley said. ''It wasn't an aggressive one.''

At a midnight news conference, Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose said John Allen Muhammad, 42, was being sought for questioning in the slayings and called him ''armed and dangerous.'' Muhammad was said to be traveling with a juvenile, identified by a law enforcement source as 17-year-old Lee Malvo.

The relationship between Muhammad, who also goes by the name John Allen Williams, and the teen was not clear, but several newspapers reported that Malvo is Muhammad's stepson.

A law enforcement source close to the investigation told The Associated Press that ''I'm confident that these are indeed the people'' sought in the killings.

''The evidence is all there and because of things we've received in the communications,'' the source said on the condition on anonymity. ''It fits together with evidence they've collected in the last couple days.''

Several federal sources told the Seattle Times that Muhammad and Malvo may have been motivated by anti-American sentiments in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks. Both were known to speak sympathetically about the men who hijacked jetliners over Washington, New York and Pennsylvania, the sources said.

But neither man was believed to be associated with the al-Qaida terrorist network, sources said.

The Times reported that Muhammed was stationed at Fort Lewis outside Tacoma in the 1980s, served in the Gulf War and was later stationed at Fort Ord, Calif. Malvo, who authorities said is a citizen of Jamaica, attended high school in Bellingham, Wash., last year.

Shipley said the men were being transported to Montgomery County, where the investigation is based.

The witnesses at the rest stop called police at 1 a.m. after they spotted the men sleeping inside one of the cars sought in the investigation - a blue 1990 Chevrolet Caprice.

Moose had cautioned that it shouldn't be assumed Muhammad is involved in any of the shootings that have stricken the Washington area since Oct. 2.

On Wednesday, authorities opened two new avenues in the investigation: FBI agents spent hours at the Tacoma home, eventually carting away a tree stump from the yard and other potential evidence in a U-Haul truck.

And in Montgomery, Ala., Mayor Bobby Bright said federal authorities were investigating whether a fatal shooting there last month was linked to the sniper.

Bright said a caller to the sniper investigation tip line apparently claimed responsibility for the sniper shootings and the Montgomery shooting Sept. 21. One woman was killed and another wounded.

A law enforcement source told The (Baltimore) Sun that police found a piece of paper at the scene of the Alabama shooting that bore Malvo's fingerprints. Police then traced Malvo to the Tacoma home, where he had been living with Williams, the paper said.

Late Wednesday night, Moose held a media briefing here he issued his latest cryptic message in his ongoing dialogue with the sniper.

''You have indicated that you want us to do and say certain things. You've asked us to say, 'We have caught the sniper like a duck in a noose.' We understand that hearing us say this is important to you,'' Moose said.

He also expressed frustration at the failure to make contact despite the sniper's repeated attempts through ''notes, indirect messages and calls to other jurisdictions.'' He asked the sniper to call.

A Fort Lewis spokesman did not return a call for comment on whether Muhammad was stationed on the base.

Felix Strozier, who ran a karate school with Williams in 1997 and 1998, said Williams told him he had been in the Army but did not say where.

Pfc. Chris Waters, a Fort Lewis soldier who lives across the street from the Tacoma home, said he called police after hearing gunshots in the neighborhood nearly every day in January.

''It sounded like a high-powered rifle such as an M-16,'' he said. ''Never more than three shots at a time. Pow. Pow. Pow.''

Dean Resop, who lives a block away, said quite a few tenants had been in and out of the home.

''Makes you want to watch your neighbors closer,'' said Resop, who has lived in the area seven years.

FBI agents also visited Bellingham High School, 90 miles north of Seattle, on Wednesday. Mayor Mark Asmundson told the Bellingham Herald the agents were apparently seeking information on a male teenager who once attended the school and an older man. He said both left the area about nine months ago.

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On TV several sources have been qouted as saying these are the guys but nothing official. IF it is it seems there motivation was anti american feelings after the 9/11 incidents several people that had talked to them said they (father and stepson) had always expressed sympothy for islamic hijackers of 9/11.
 
Perhaps they have gotten thier men and now this senseless act of brutality will stop.
 
Yup, and no one had to have the military combing the streets to get it to stop.

Think about how close some of us came to willingly giving up our liberties to stop a crime.
 
Yea it does they said alot of policemen were seen smiling and when asked about they said that they have been having to put in alot of extra time and now they will finnally get a break.

It seems a friend of the pair called the tip line several days or weeks ago about the pair being suspicious.
 
Last night it was mentioned that these two men just had a warrant for illegal firearms and they might have a connection to who the sniper is. Chief Moose made sure to point out that these two men were not being arrested for the 13 shootings.
 
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{Think about how close some of us came to willingly giving up our liberties to stop a crime.}

May have come close but it wouldn't have been willing, at least not on my part. Did my time for God and Country to protect these liberties.
 
84, and I thank you for that service.

A lot of people were totally fine with using military to catch these guys. Heard, "Send spec ops out into the woods", "Lets get some tanks in the streets" etc etc

That scares me that people would just toss those liberties aside and embrace Martial Law because they're a bit scared.
 
I agree, tossing away your freedoms cause your scared is wrong. I know it's hard to say but people just have to keep living how they are living and police will do their job. Hopefully they did it right and these two men arrested did shoot everyone, and this horrible spree can be put to bed.
 
The Military is designed to protect our country from enimies abroad. It's the job of the Police to protect us from the whackos within. I understand the National Gaurd rendering assistance during disaters but I draw the line there. Been in and seen too many countries where the Military were the law.(Not Good)
 
Definately.

Hey, here's a tip. See the "Quote" button in the upper left corner of each post? If you press that you can get a nicely formatted quote in your response.

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Originally posted by paul
Definately.

Hey, here's a tip.  See the "Quote" button in the upper left corner of each post?  If you press that you can get a nicely formatted quote in your response.

Give it a shot and see.

Cool, thanks.
 
Also, I'm glad they got him while he was sleeping...I bet this guy had no intention of being taken alive.

Now he will have to face what he has done and rot in jail for the rest of life.
 
Remember they believe it is the sniper, doesn't have to be. Just like everyone thought the immigrants were the snipers, but they just got deported. As much as I want to see them caught, don't get your hopes up.
 
They just said they found a gun and scope in the car, they just said this on cnn and msnbc news.
 
Many variations of the Bushmaster.

But this is the general configuration:
 
The military is designed to take care of us on matters abroad and on our own land.

if the police and FBI cant handle something, we need to be willing to let the police and FBI step aside and our boys in camo take care of things.

they would be the ones that rolled out the tanks into our city streets if we were invaded from another country or something....if we just relied on our Police and FBI during an invasion........wed be SOL.

gotta love our Military
 
I hope that they try these assholes in Maryland. They've got the death penalty there and that's quite what they deserve. No sense wasting any tax dollar on keeping these people in a jail somewhere.
 
Sorry DEIfan, the military is not for police activity.

Ever been to a country where the military was the police? Scary.

It's called Martial Law.
 
Also ,when would you draw the line?

If you're willing to give up your civil liberties because of a serial killer, would you be for a bank robber? a shoplifter? a jaywalker?

I will not let the military decide what crimes are theirs to be the police on. They are here for military action, not police action.
 
Originally posted by paul
Also, I'm glad they got him while he was sleeping...I bet this guy had no intention of being taken alive.

Now he will have to face what he has done and rot in jail for the rest of life.

How long do you think these guys would last in Jail? I bet the inmates would get them within 3 months. For them to get the death penalty, they would probably last longer than that.
 
Originally posted by B.C. - 24
I hope that they try these assholes in Maryland.  They've got the death penalty there and that's quite what they deserve.  No sense wasting any tax dollar on keeping these people in a jail somewhere.

Not positive on the legalese involved, but am fairly certain that they can be tried in both Maryland and Virginia if need be. Prosecutors will typically go with whichever cases they feel most likely to result in the conviction they seek. If that fails for some reason, they can then move to the other. I also believe that they can prosecute in both states regardless of the outcome in the other.

Tremendous care must now be taken in building these cases. We have no idea exactly what physical evidence law enforcement might have at this point. And even less what they might be able to accumulate in the upcoming weeks and months. IMHO, physical evidence will be mandatory.

All this of course of assumes that the two men in custody are the right ones. Reactions we getting on the various news outlets would indicate that officials believe this to be the case, but it is not at this time a definite.
 
Originally posted by B.C. - 24
I hope that they try these assholes in Maryland.  They've got the death penalty there and that's quite what they deserve.  No sense wasting any tax dollar on keeping these people in a jail somewhere.

Why give him what he wants?

If they give him the death penalty, you're not going to get a few cents more in your paycheck. That tax payer dollar argument always makes me laugh.
 
Oh yeah, forgot.

I suppose at least one, possibly both, could be tried in Alabama as well. Might even be good bet at some point since my understanding is that, aside from physical evidence, a police officer got a good look at the perpetrator there.
 
Originally posted by smack500
the younger one seems to have done most of the shootings

What makes you say that Smack?

And as for MD and the death penalty, I'm pretty sure that while Maryland technically has the death penalty, they don't use it. VA on the other hand is very aggressive in their use of it. Just a thought.

I could care less what they do to them at this point as long as they're off the streets!
 
Originally posted by smack500
the younger one seems to have done most of the shootings

You got some kind of source for that? Not that it particualrly matters, but there is an awful lot of pure speculation on the news and it may differ from the facts.
 
Everything the media has reported so far has been wrong. How do you know the younger one did the shootings? Maybe the younger one called the cops? Its all speculation. wait till the facts come out in court.
 
If the facts come out in court, they could keep that just as quiet as everything else. Somehow the cops broke this, I'd like to know how, because they were way off before hand. Then all of the sudden sometime last night they got something figured out somehow.
 
From what I gather, a friend of the older one tipped off police. Once they had a suspect, they gathered information very quickly because most every law enforcement agent was already putting in overtime to solve this thing.

What bothers me is if these two morons pulled this off for this long, what's to stop someone intellegent from doing this indefinitely? These guys were none too bright from some of the stuff we are hearing about them. They supposedly wanted the FBI to transfer $10 million to a credit card they had stolen from a gas station they had robbed earlier. Not too smart eh?
 
Nothing is to stop them, so long as our Second Ammendment right is constantly being infringed.

Real "liberal" huh?
 
they were not too smart, but most of the "expert" profilers sure missed the target when they described them.....
 
Oh well into the breach...

These two are not "morons". They made two serious mistakes IMHO. The first one might have proven not so serious had they not made the second.

Their major error was opening a dialogue with law enforcement. It is a common and seeimingly almost inevitable mistake for whatever reason. Once that dialogue is opened the officials will pore over every word, every nuance, every minute detail with one goal in mind. That goal is to figure out who you are and apprehend you. Every other thing they (law enforcement) do is either a facade or a ruse. And you (the criminal) will give something away, always. This pair demonstrated a remarkable lack of judgement by pointing directly at their first mistake.

That being the shooting in Montgomery, AL. Pretty much a botched job by them and gave investigators the clue they needed to identify their men.

Other than that these two followed the sniper psyche awfully closely and with great discipline. Demonstrating a great deal of innate 'intelligence" in their choice of targets, killing grounds, and methodology.

Since during the sniping spree they were never once really seen, the presence of an armed populace might prove inconsequential. That is after the all the environment forw which the sniper is designed. Hostile and armed territory where the sniper is never seen, never felt and strikes without warning only to then vanish with no trace other than a victim.

I am a staunch supporter of the second amendment and always have been. It does not mean that being armed is a defense in all situations.
 
"sniper psyche"- what's that? shoot and hide?

not too hard a role to play......:mad:
 
Or close the wall up with American dead...

Without a defense, we are fish a barrel.
 
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