Dinger says he is going to wreck Dillion, Dick responds with a threat...

Kyle18fan said:
Talking about AJ and the Dillons is a perfect way to fall asleep, I had completely forgotten that any of them still raced errrr.............. drove cars


YAAAAAAAAWN------------ carry on
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So......you'd rather talk about Richard?
 
Kyle18fan said:
I had forgotten about that clown too till you guys brought him up. My goodness, he might pull engine support from the 47 team................... he has ruined my season :(
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Right? Why does anyone care? I think we're being overrun by F1 fans who left that series behind after the sprinkler idea was shelved.
 
JacklegJack said:
Nice to read some level-headed comments about Dillon every now and then. The kid is still young, he's going to make mistakes, that goes without saying. Sure he's no Larson, but an average finish of 14th through the first eigth races ain't too shabby either. And let's be honest, Larson is starting to look like he'll become a generational talent with what he's managed to do in a Ganassi car so far. But to the guy who pointed out the fact that Dillon only has one Top 10 finish so far as a negative, he also has three finishes of 11th in his last 5 races. He could just as easily have had four Top 10 finishes in 8 races this season if he avoided some little mistakes, and that will come with experience.

But I gotta disagree with AJ being on that list. 1 top 5 and 3 Top 10's in 21 races in a Penske car the year Kez knocked off 5 wins en route to the championship doesn't say much for him. Especially when Joey Logano comes in the next year and starts ringing off consistent Top 5's and 10's in that car after most people were starting to write him off. Austin may never be a Top 10 driver in the Sprint Cup, but I can't understand all the flak he gets. Sure the prestige of winning a Nationwide championship has been severely diminished but it still takes a little bit of talent to win two of them in a row.

Maybe we were just too spoiled with a string of rookies who came into the sport in the early/mid '00's who were Top 10 drivers right off the bat. And maybe he does seem to be lacking that "killer instinct" someone like Larson has, but if he learns a bit more of the ol' give and take then I have no doubt he'll put together a handful of wins in his career.
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Allmendinger's one of the best natural talents out there. Let's not forget, just a few short years ago, this guy was lighting the world on fire racing for teams like Richard Petty Motorsports and Red Bull Racing. He underachieved at Penske, I'll admit that much.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Allmendinger's one of the best natural talents out there. Let's not forget, just a few short years ago, this guy was lighting the world on fire racing for teams like Richard Petty Motorsports and Red Bull Racing. He underachieved at Penske, I'll admit that much.
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World on fire? Are YOU feeling OK?
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Well compared to the Dillon boys it technically is true. Not saying it is a deciding factor in anything, but I don't think we can call Mike Dillon talent. However the Dillon brothers did probably grow up around more talent and resources than Chase. Remember money does not = resources, but it sure can buy some.
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Chase Elliott's entire career was spent in some of the best cars anyone could possibly have. I'm not saying he sucks - just the opposite, Chase is a hell of a driver. But you and others act like he was out there driving a low-budget racecar and had no resources behind him. I haven't even gotten in to his reputation for cheating.
 
FenderBumper said:
World on fire? Are YOU feeling OK?
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I have a good memory. 2008, 2009, EVERYBODY was rooting for this guy because of what he was doing in crap racecars -- especially when he got the screw job from Red Bull Racing.

I wonder why he never performed at Penske. Must've been some bad chemistry or something. AJ's one hell of a wheelman.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Chase Elliott's entire career was spent in some of the best cars anyone could possibly have. I'm not saying he sucks - just the opposite, Chase is a hell of a driver. But you and others act like he was out there driving a low-budget racecar and had no resources behind him. I haven't even gotten in to his reputation for cheating.
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He's isn't even married.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
His business but it's a bad business move. If Childress follows through and ends support, every other team that pays him for engine support will take notice and would definitely consider going to Hendrick or anyone else.
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Why aren't they doing that anyway? First of all Childress is quite the ahole. Second, his stuff is not even that good.

I dont see anyone winning or tearing the world on fire. It just seems odd to me he would threaten to pull support from another team as if he's stuff is top of the line. There are definitely better businessmen with way better equipment so I dont know why this guy is acting all high and mighty.

And all for what? Defending his way overhyped grandson that will unltimately flame out?

If Richard was to pull support from anyone that says anything bad about Dillion than he will find himself on an island somewhere because no one will want his stuff.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I have a good memory. 2008, 2009, EVERYBODY was rooting for this guy because of what he was doing in crap racecars -- especially when he got the screw job from Red Bull Racing.

I wonder why he never performed at Penske. Must've been some bad chemistry or something. AJ's one hell of a wheelman.
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I hear he was having trouble sleeping during his time at Penske. That may have had something to do with his lack of success.
 
In all seriousness though, some of the comments in this thread..... class envy at it's finest. Just because someone was born in to wealth doesn't mean they don't deserve to be in racing or didn't earn it. Yeah, I get how other sports work. :rolleyes: Football is also a socialist sport funded at every level by the taxpayers of the United States with a system where everyone gets a fair shot -- everyone except women that is. Same with baseball, basketball and hockey to a lesser degree.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
In all seriousness though, some of the comments in this thread..... class envy at it's finest. Just because someone was born in to wealth doesn't mean they don't deserve to be in racing or didn't earn it. Yeah, I get how other sports work. :rolleyes: Football is also a socialist sport funded at every level by the taxpayers of the United States with a system where everyone gets a fair shot -- everyone except women that is. Same with baseball, basketball and hockey to a lesser degree.
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Damn dude, that's one hell of a can opener you're wielding today.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I read that Adderall causes that. ;)
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lol His BS story was so unbelievable. He was having trouble sleeping, so he gets up and goes to a bar??? Then asks his friend for something to give him energy. His mystery friend gets some from and unidentified drive-by pill dropper, and AJ takes it. SMH...
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
In all seriousness though, some of the comments in this thread..... class envy at it's finest. Just because someone was born in to wealth doesn't mean they don't deserve to be in racing or didn't earn it. Yeah, I get how other sports work. :rolleyes: Football is also a socialist sport funded at every level by the taxpayers of the United States with a system where everyone gets a fair shot -- everyone except women that is. Same with baseball, basketball and hockey to a lesser degree.
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Read my response to you about 'earning it' in post #99.. It has less to do with how you get there and more with how you and people around you carry yourselves once your there..

That said, yes I'm envious as ****. I'll own it. Haha

AndyMarquisLive said:
I read that Adderall causes that. ;)
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LMFAO read my mind.
 
DUN24 said:
I guess we got sidetracked... I personally never said the Dillon boys haven't earned it, and I'm aware they both have talent. While I was living in Mooresville while they were racing late models they were the talk of the town, killing it.

"Earned" probably never should have entered the conversation.. IMO this is about accountability. Statements like those from Childress the other night don't show that they need to be accountable. Who he hell am I? I'm not in those dudes heads..

The problem here is Richard coddling these boys. That's the difference. Not saying Chase hasn't ruffled feathers but awesome bill isn't stepping in places he shouldn't during races.. That I can tell/yet anyway.

I realize Childress foots the bill, but he needs to step back and let them race, in the process they will earn respect and drivers won't bad mouth their upbringing everytime a skirmish happens.

AJ called him a silver spooned punk bitch.. RCR responded by basically saying "talk ****, I'll show you how silver-spooned he is"

Know what I mean?
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What about when Bob Keselowski talked about putting his own damn firesuit on and taking care of Carl Edwards? How's that any different? Is it different because Childress owns the car? Well, what about Dale Jr driving for his dad? :eek: Or I can go back to RC beating up Kyle Busch over the non-incident with Joey Coulter.

Childress overreacted, again. I'll say that much. Drivers say **** all the time over the radio.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
What about when Bob Keselowski talked about putting his own damn firesuit on and taking care of Carl Edwards? How's that any different? Is it different because Childress owns the car? Well, what about Dale Jr driving for his dad? :eek: Or I can go back to RC beating up Kyle Busch over the non-incident with Joey Coulter.

Childress overreacted, again. I'll say that much. Drivers say **** all the time over the radio.
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Bob K said that immediately after the 2nd or 3rd time Carl Edwards almost killed his kid. It was different.

Kyle Busch was pushing RCR's buttons for more than a year. He had a ****ton of wrecked cars in different series at the hands of KyBu. It was also different.

Dale jr? Dale Earnhardt would have let him get wrecked if his kid had it coming. IMO the way he treated Jr. is way different than how RC brought his grand kids in.

Again, they all earned it. I'm not arguing that...
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Chase Elliott's entire career was spent in some of the best cars anyone could possibly have. I'm not saying he sucks - just the opposite, Chase is a hell of a driver. But you and others act like he was out there driving a low-budget racecar and had no resources behind him. I haven't even gotten in to his reputation for cheating.
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That is not what I am saying at all. I didn't say he wasn't surrounded by talented people or resources. I just said that the Dillon brothers were surrounded by more of it from the get go. Chase has been with HMS (best resources) since 2011,but remember the Dillon Bros were born into a top Nascar organization. Sure Bill Elliott has money, connection and resources of his own, but he doesn't own a huge Nascar operation.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
That is not what I am saying at all. I didn't say he wasn't surrounded by talented people or resources. I just said that the Dillon brothers were surrounded by more of it from the get go. Chase has been with HMS (best resources) since 2011,but remember the Dillon Bros were born into a top Nascar organization. Sure Bill Elliott has money, connection and resources of his own, but he doesn't own a huge Nascar operation.
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You don't win as many races as Chase Elliott did in 2010 and 2011 in Super Late Models without talent, money or resources. Chase has all three. So, no, you don't get to act like Chase Elliott didn't have the best resources at his fingertips.

You're trying to have a double standard here. You don't get to have that double standard when I'm around.
 
Chase Elliott and Austin Dillon are of the same mold. Any statement you can say about one applies to the other. You can't have it both ways. Fact is, yes, they're both "rich kids". They both have talent. And they both worked their way up the ranks. Which is much more than you can say about quite a few drivers that make it in to NASCAR racing.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Chase Elliott's entire career was spent in some of the best cars anyone could possibly have. I'm not saying he sucks - just the opposite, Chase is a hell of a driver. But you and others act like he was out there driving a low-budget racecar and had no resources behind him. I haven't even gotten in to his reputation for cheating.
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Somebody always gotta mess up a good conversation with that "chase elliott" word :mad:
 
Yeah, okay. :rolleyes:

Bill Elliott and Ken Butler who has more money than god went and built a "Driver Development Program" with the best equipment money could buy for Chase Elliott.

Austin Dillon can't help that he was born as Richard Childress' grandson. And RC does more for upcoming drivers than you want to give credit for. It's not like he's completely dismantled his short track program now that his boys are in NASCAR. In fact, I believe Kate Dallenbach is racing Dirt Late Models for RCR.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Yeah, okay. :rolleyes:

Bill Elliott and Ken Butler who has more money than god went and built a "Driver Development Program" with the best equipment money could buy for Chase Elliott.

Austin Dillon can't help that he was born as Richard Childress' grandson. And RC does more for upcoming drivers than you want to give credit for. It's not like he's completely dismantled his short track program now that his boys are in NASCAR. In fact, I believe Kate Dallenbach is racing Dirt Late Models for RCR.
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When did I say anything about Richard and is development program for other drivers? When Andy? When? When did I say Dillon Bros should feel bad for being Richard's grandchildren? When?
 
BOWTIE GUY said:
if chase's dad has so much talent why isn't driving for him? he has one championship as a driver. Richard has six as a owner.
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How many wins does Richard have as a driver?
I gotta believe that a lifetime of advice from a successful, Cup driver with 40+ wins is more beneficial to a young, up & coming driver than advice from someone that wasn't a successful Cup driver. JMO, of course.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
When did I say anything about Richard and is development program for other drivers? When Andy? When? When did I say Dillon Bros should feel bad for being Richard's grandchildren? When?
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You're trying to say Austin's different from Chase because Chase wasn't born in to good equipment. In fact, Austin Dillon didn't drive for RCR when he was running Late Model Stocks which invalidates your entire argument. Just like Chase Elliott doesn't drive for Hendrick when he runs Super Late Models.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Chase Elliott and Austin Dillon are of the same mold
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It's true! I found the mold!
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Just kidding, I think they're both very talented and had pretty much the same opportunities. That being said, I also believe that if you gave Chase a car with 10 less horse power than Austin he could find a way to finish ahead of him almost every time.
 
BobbyFord said:
How many wins does Richard have as a driver?
I gotta believe that a lifetime of advice from a successful, Cup driver with 40+ wins is more beneficial to a young, up & coming driver than advice from someone that wasn't a successful Cup driver. JMO, of course.
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What about a stable of drivers? What about all the resources that RCR has to offer? I understand that Elliott had money behind him that could provide those resources, but the difference is all those resources were already in place at RCR.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
What about a stable of drivers? What about all the resources that RCR has to offer? I understand that Elliott had money behind him that could provide those resources, but the difference is all those resources were already in place at RCR.
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In NASCAR. Not in Late Models. I've never seen an RCR Late Model.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
What about a stable of drivers? What about all the resources that RCR has to offer? I understand that Elliott had money behind him that could provide those resources, but the difference is all those resources were already in place at RCR.
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Well... the stuff costs money to run anyway doesn't it? Regardless of whether you own it or not... I doubt any expense was spared by Childress or Elliott for these kids. No matter where the equipment is for either of them it's just a drive away.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
What about a stable of drivers? What about all the resources that RCR has to offer? I understand that Elliott had money behind him that could provide those resources, but the difference is all those resources were already in place at RCR.
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And Austin got to take advantage of those resources when he got to K&N after having already run in that series for Andy Santerre.
 
....and here's the part where (just because I'm me) I bring up Joey :D His Dad wasn't a driver OR a car owner and I'd bet he got the same opportunities as Chase or Austin... because his Dad put him in a car, and he drove the wheels off the damn thing long enough for Joe Gibbs to notice. Similar to Chase and Hendrick... and I'm sure Childress wouldn't have put Austin in a cup car if he couldn't drive just because he asked for it.
 
I still think this thread is about accountability lessons between Richard Childress and his grand kids... Not a pissing match about which rich kid had it the toughest.
 
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