pistolshooter
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Gregory I agree with what you said I was just talking to nitro inquiry private chat and said almost the same thing you just said. Although not as well as you just did good post and well thought out.
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I dont begrudge her opportunity several had a easier path, but to answer the question she would not have godaddy if she wasnt a female (still more respectable than some daddy's boys).
Her driving skills isnt her primary marketing skills.
She isnt having it that bad either and making to much money to be a victim.The white man game sounds good but isnt functionally applicable, she has a better shot than most crackers with no money.
It is a closed off gated community closed off to more than 95 percent the white males.
The ones that made it or just had a shot , had a big family a name or money etc..
The diversity thing is corporate business, it doesnt even try pretend to be a just tool.
I have been around racing for 40 plus years, and I never met a black kid dreaming about being a Nascar driver. While a lot of white buddies invested everything they had and even borrowed money just to try.
They were white but nobody gave a damn about them, while recruiting from a base that scarcely atteds the races.
Yeah it is good buisness, expand the market etc, just dont expect me to swallow the fairness crap, when the biggest base without a name was ignored.
A trailor park white boy driver recruitent would have empowered a more needy crowd and served a group with a greater desire to race.
The same corporate racket has blessed Danica with more opportunities than her driving talent will ever justify.
Thats should be obvious to anyone with eyes.
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I dunno Greg, that's an apples to oranges comparison. They came up in two different eras, and of course when you compare one of the pioneers to one of today's drivers, the pioneers are almost always going to look better. 'Cause they're the pioneers, they did it first and paved the way for everyone else.
As far as Danica is concerned, I like her, and I wouldn't count her out of winning at Sonoma or Watkins Glen. She's run well on road courses in Nationwide. That said, it's one thing to not count someone out, but it's quite another to consider them a legit threat to win.
Yes, as far as equipment/team/talent goes, Danica has arguably the best overall shot that a woman has ever had to make a name for herself in NASCAR, hence why the media shoves her down our throat nonstop. (Yeah, yeah, her looks play a part in that too.) However, I think a lot of Danica's fans - and haters - would benefit from forming more realistic expectations of her. I'm speaking generally here, not specifically to anyone on this forum. Last I checked, she was still a Cup rookie, and honestly, she probably came in a few years too early. (Money/sponsorship talks, and it is what it is.)
If she has a good run/finish, that's great, but it doesn't make her the next big thing. If she has a poor run/finish, it doesn't make her a complete and utter failure. Not yet. In a few years, when she has had plenty of good or bad runs/finishes, we'll be able to make a much more fair assessment of how good or bad she is. Until then, we, her fans and haters, need to simmer down and just let the woman race.
Okay, I'm climbing down off my soapbox now.
I agree two different eras .Guthrie was less glamorous in a less glamorous era. An era that had Pearson who usually gets polled as the best ever, and Petty who was debately the best, Waltrip and Pearson and many others.
Could Danica even have handled no power steering?
Danica was just noted as doing some ground breaking work. I am just saying Guthrie performed better at the driving and Danica did better in a Sports illustrated spread.
We will just have to agree to disagree.
pistolshooter
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Could Danica even handle no power steering? Maybe, most likely not, but could the male driver handle it today? Could Logano Bush or 20 others that are in Sprint cup. Just saying give her a chance. Don't giver her any special treatment, treat her as any other rookie. Let her get banged and bruised, but don't beat on her and take advantage just because of who or what she is! On that track she is a driver not a man, women or a Martian for that matter she is a driver....
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Danica win in the Cup series not a chance( Way too many talented drivers). Nation wide, a little higher than cup. C'Mon guys really. She only won one race in that other series and I believe it was a fluke or something odd happened. She is a good driver. There are many many good drivers out there. The great ones make it in Cup.Jimmie, Jeff, Kyle, Tony,Jr.,Matt, Clint, Carl,Kasey,Mark, just to name a few.
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And who is to say that she won't be the next petty Stewart Johnson just give her a chance. Some on here listen to all the hype judge her as a driver an equal. A lot of the other young guns dident win right at the start show her the same respect.
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I am an equal opportunity disrespector.
Menard a daddies boy doing better than ever but the money allowed for a prolonged tutorial that few would ever get.
Big money blessed us with no talent Stephen Wallace.
Junior went through a prolonged slump and I railed on him many times, glad to see him running better.
Kurt is an idiot.
My favorite is Harvick, but he has played the idiot many times.
Gordon a shell of his former self.
I was happy to see Danica get a Indy win, she is human and she shouldnt be expected to run like a Johnson in her rookie year.
When she has a good cup race , I will give her a shout out, but I am approaching my 52nd birthday, maybe it will be after my life time
Menard a daddies boy doing better than ever but the money allowed for a prolonged tutorial that few would ever get.
Big money blessed us with no talent Stephen Wallace.
Junior went through a prolonged slump and I railed on him many times, glad to see him running better.
Kurt is an idiot.
My favorite is Harvick, but he has played the idiot many times.
Gordon a shell of his former self.
I was happy to see Danica get a Indy win, she is human and she shouldnt be expected to run like a Johnson in her rookie year.
When she has a good cup race , I will give her a shout out, but I am approaching my 52nd birthday, maybe it will be after my life time
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Well Greg I am coming up on my 54 th there's a lot of rookies that I see up and comming but I think with the right equipment and a good tutor ( Stewart) I think Danica will have something to say. She may never be a Johnson but as I said before she might be a good, great middle pack racer. I would like to see her do well. Hoping she makes it.
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ted@economy
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I think you're right on . This year she's racing Bobby Labonte , Dave Blaney and JJ Yaley , next year mid packers like Montoya , Ambrose and Burton. Those are all pretty darn good drivers . That's when we'll know what kind of stuff she has . Anyone who says she is expected to win races in her rookie year is not being realistic .IMO
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Plenty of drivers have won in their rookie year and without anywheres near the hype and fanfare.
ted@economy
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Some do ,most don't . There are only about a hundred drivers with more than one win in their entire Cup career. It's not that easy , fanfare or not .
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I don't have a crystal ball like some of you seem to have and I'm 70, been an avid race fan for 60 yrs. and hope Danica kicks the crap out of all the boy's and Johanna gets a good ride and is right there with her. Hope it happens before the bucket falls in front of my foot because it would be fun to watch.
Hope it happens before the bucket falls in front of my foot because it would be fun to watch.
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Everybody's got a dream.I don't have a crystal ball like some of you seem to have and I'm 70, been an avid race fan for 60 yrs. and hope Danica kicks the crap out of all the boy's and Johanna gets a good ride and is right there with her.
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Yep, but some people dream positive, like me, and some people dream negative, the bashers.
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I don't have a crystal ball like some of you seem to have and I'm 70, been an avid race fan for 60 yrs. and hope Danica kicks the crap out of all the boy's and Johanna gets a good ride and is right there with her.
I was at a company meeting recently where top management personnel were in front of the room commenting on general issues of concern to company personnel.
During the Q&A session, the head honcho guys were asked to "rub their crystal balls" so as to provide some insight as to the future of the company.
Needless to say, the ensuing laughter was not subdued.
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IMO, the bashing of drivers is no more prevelant here than the bashing of members posts and opinions. Tit for tat, I suppose.
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Certainly I am not the one to say, however IMHO she ain't it. Further more I really don't think that is the point. I believe people don't like the over blown media hype she receives from Nascar media. She gets this attention purely based on gender and looks NOT driving ability. Yes she can drive, Yes she may get better, Yes she may be more successful(finish higher ) . Right now she is like 28th in points, 1 point ahead of Bobby Labonte, 6 ahead of Dave Blaney, followed by David Gilliland, Yeley, Stremme,Cassill and others. I can count on one hand how many times I hear these names mentioned . All good drivers IMO, and not driving in the equipment she gets in each week.
FenderBumper
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Odds are she will make that list someday. Pray for timely rain, Danica. And pray that nascar left the air titan back at the shop.
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Yeah it is a tough year for those guys. They are used to riding around in the back and making lap$, and Danica is ping ponging around back there bending up everybody's cars including her own. Don't believe me, ask Tony
ted@economy
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I have one problem with the ' media hype ' . Why do you blame Danica for it , and not the media ?
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How ya really feel FB.
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I don't usually talk negatively about drivers or members but unlike a select few of you that we all know I damn sure don't go sniveling and whining to the mods every time something is posted that you don't like or agree with, whaa he was joking on a nascar thread, whaa he is off topic, whaa he called me a mean name. I have the utmost respect for TRL and the other mods for dealing with all of that without their heads exploding, bet they use a lot of Tylenol though.
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Bow wowWell if she's gonna win one - she better hurry up - word is that since Katherine Webb gave up "Splash" she's been practicing on go-carts
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Well if she's gonna win one - she better hurry up - word is that since Katherine Webb gave up "Splash" she's been practicing on go-carts
ted@economy
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How ya really feel FB.
I don't know how he's feelin , but he's scarin the crap outta me !
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What is all the fuss about her? she is average at best.
^ Average? What are you talking about? She's the hottest driver in NASCAR.
And I'm a little late, but...
Then again, I'm willing to bet that if we could send the drivers of today back to the past to race against all those grizzled legends, somebody would surprise us. And, chances are, it would be someone we would never expect in a million years. Like Scott Riggs.
Thanks man. You probably said it a lot quicker than I did, though. I swear it took me like an hour of editing and revising to come up with that.
And I'm a little late, but...
You took the words right out of my mouth. I doubt too many of the drivers today could hack it back then.
Then again, I'm willing to bet that if we could send the drivers of today back to the past to race against all those grizzled legends, somebody would surprise us. And, chances are, it would be someone we would never expect in a million years. Like Scott Riggs.
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Cale said he would drive around in the summer with the windows rolled up in his car to get used to the heat. Janet was also an engineer and not a model.
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This isn' a fair comparison. Guthrie was more of a man than I am...
I think Guthrie could have been pretty cleaned up. They didnt have camera tricks then etc.That just wasnt a biggie in 1977.
Really the dark ages, thank goodness we live in a better visual time.
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The only win Danica had a win in indy cars was on a fuel mileage call by the crew chief. She didnt out run or out drive anybody for it. The crew chief won that one. I will personally eat my shorts if Danica ever wins a cup race. Its just not going to happen. She really needs to be in the camping world trucks. That would suit her talent level better.
I'm with you on that. As I said in an earlier post in this thread, I definitely feel like she came to Cup way too early. I would have liked to see her continue to run the full Nationwide schedule for a couple more years. She seemed like she was just getting to the point where she could run somewhat respectably every now and then.
Again, obviously it's all about the almighty dollar. Danica is a sponsor's dream already and they'll milk her for all she's worth. I can just imagine the feeding frenzy that will take place if she eventually manages to defy the odds and start running really well every week.
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I am earmarking this and will want a very clear and documented video of you eating them posted on youtube.
ted@economy
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I don't think that she needs to win races though . Junior doesn't. She just needs to run like Juan Pablo , and her sponsors will be quite happy.
LOL. I think he's probably good...for right now, anyway.
Just gotta watch out for those RP races. If teams like Front Row Motorsports and the Wood Brothers can win them, our beloved Danica certainly can.
You're right about that. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with her even right now, considering all the hype and attention she gets despite running mostly towards the back. I'm sure they don't expect too much of her at the moment.
I just wonder what things will look like for her a few years down the road. As Greg kind of touched on earlier about Paul Menard, the days of drivers getting long amounts of time to develop and improve are, for the most part, long gone. Nowadays, I feel like a sponsor sees a promising young rookie and they're all like, "yeah, we've got your back, so long as you go out there and WIN EVERY RACE RIGHT NOW." Granted, the economy sucks, it's their money, and they're free to spend it as they please, but still...that's kinda messed up.
I'm getting way ahead of myself here, but let's say it's 2016, or whenever Danica's contract at SHR is up. Lightning has not struck, and the Danica experiment has proven unsuccessful as far as on-track performance goes. Will her sponsors (and Smoke) continue to support her? How many of the fans will still be buying her merch? At that point, since she doesn't have the benefit of a famous last name like my man, ol' Junebug, what keeps her NASCAR aspirations alive? The fact that she looks good in a bikini? Would that alone really be enough? I wonder.
Just some food for thought. As I previously stated, I like her and hope she makes it.
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The bikini would do it for me!!! Serious though I think a lot are putting the cart before the horse. I have said before just give her some time. By the end of this season we should have a good idea what she has. I don't say she will be winning races but I am sure that as a little time goes by you will see her moving up. She might just be a mid pack racer but a lot of racin gets done in the middle of the pack as well as the few cars up front. JMO.