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TwentyNine

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a date, or both for all I care. Embarrassing attendance and a boring race most of the time.

Take away Dover, add Iowa and another road course.

Or even Rockingham.
 
TwentyNine said:
a date, or both for all I care. Embarrassing attendance and a boring race most of the time.

Take away Dover, add Iowa and another road course.

Or even Rockingham.
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noooooooooo not the roadcourse

WAIT...

I see what you did there
 
attendance there was IMO embarrassing I would say the track was half full at best. I would hate to see it go off the schedule though. its still better than most 1.5 mile tracks. compared to say kansas, chicago, or kentucky I will take dove any day.
 
I think it's only a matter of time (probably 2015) before Road America and Iowa are both on the schedule. Awesome venues.

I've said it a million times and the broadcasters said it yesterday, Iowa should have a Wednesday date. Easy sell out and awesome TV ratings.
 
not that many years ago i thought dover was as exciting as martinsville is, and i just love darlington and hated when they lost a date. also i remember not caring for the road courses, but now i love them. the way i look at is, the tracks over the years can lose their appeal, but i also think the cars are what determine the excitement more than the track itself.
 
This is completely hypothetical but how would you react - The concrete issues discovered yesterday have forced a track resurface.... but rather than lay down fresh concrete the track will be torn up and paved to an asphalt surface.
 
Wrangler1 said:
This is completely hypothetical but how would you react - The concrete issues discovered yesterday have forced a track resurface.... but rather than lay down fresh concrete the track will be torn up and paved to an asphalt surface.
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I'd be happy. It was asphalt when I started going there. Then again, they weren't traveling the speeds there then as they are today. I'd have to wonder if asphalt could stand up to that side force of the cars running through the turns at those speeds?
 
I can only imagine the wanking going on when D.W. won Bristol seven times in a row. nothing wrong with Dover, a mile is a short track in today's Nascar as far as I am concerned. Same thing happens as on a really small track if you don't have the car right, you get lapped quick. More road course racing is where you are going to get more legitimate beating and banging, they prove that year after year. I think it should be in N'wide though, those cars are better suited for road courses. Cup cars are too overpowered and tire retarded to race on most road courses, they might be better now that they are lower, can't wait for the first road course.
 
I think a part of Dover's problem is everybody pretty much knows who is going to win beforehand.
 
I can't imagine the final attendance number was that bad, the place does have room for 133,000 after all. At the moment only Daytona, Charlotte, and Bristol are bigger and we all know those places have plenty of empty seats as well. Heck, Daytona is getting rid of the whole Superstretch seating area and going down to 101,000 and Charlotte tarps off the whole Diamond Tower area with patriotic flags.
 
John c said:
If all y'all's driver won at Dover as much as Jimmie does I would bet a weeks wages that you'd be singing a different tune!
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Wrong. I've watched races at Martinsville that Jeff has dominated that I go do something else for an hour before the end of the race.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I can't imagine the final attendance number was that bad, the place does have room for 133,000 after all. At the moment only Daytona, Charlotte, and Bristol are bigger and we all know those places have plenty of empty seats as well. Heck, Daytona is getting rid of the whole Superstretch seating area and going down to 101,000 and Charlotte tarps off the whole Diamond Tower area with patriotic flags.
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Only time I will start paying attention to attendance is if and when tracks that have Nascar races start shutting down. As it is, current tracks are competing for Nascar races. Tracks that have lost Nascar races are shutting down, not the other way around.
 
IDK what the attendance issue at Dover is. Maybe this was just a fluke occurrence? I went last October and there were A LOT more people. JJ winning drives away some people I'm sure, but really, attendance was very bad. NHMS gets a huge crowd each year and attracts a similar market.
 
StandOnIt said:
Only time I will start paying attention to attendance is if and when tracks that have Nascar races start shutting down. As it is, current tracks are competing for Nascar races. Tracks that have lost Nascar races are shutting down, not the other way around.
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It seems like they have a causal relationship though. Rockingham and Darlington had dropping attendance numbers before they lost dates back in '04, and the case was the same for Fontana and Atlanta a few years ago. Only the Rock shut down but the other three still realigned the schedule.
 
most are concerned with passes for the lead, wrecks etc, and if they don't get that they are disappointed. I like that too, but some tracks like the monster are more about who made the best adjustments on a stop and are moving up thru the field. Kez did that yesterday, Kenseth to a certain degree made some good twists on a decent not great car and stayed close to the front. Harvick's flat tire screwed him again, Hamlin screwed himself speeding but he fought back. Always like to watch the last 25 or 30 or so laps, some drivers are sandbagging and others have been driving as hard as they can, so watching the leader board can tell you who has more in the car when it gets down to the last laps. Saw that yesterday with Kenseth, the sand baggers ran right by him in the closing laps
 
Dover does not need to lose a race.

I guess some people aren't happy with a track unless it's 4 wide fighting for the lead for the entire race. There is always good racing going on at any track besides for the lead, people. Try watching the leaderboard at nascar.com and you'll see the lap times and times behind the leader if you don't believe me.

It wasn't that long ago that the winner of many different tracks was 10 or more laps ahead of second place.
Even as recent ago as the 80's it wasn't unusual for the majority of the top 10 to be many laps down.

Dover is fine. Some fans these days just don't know how good the racing is.
 
Good Lord , what...are we going to vote on the tracks now . The difference is what everybody is supposed to want . A one mile bull ring , concrete to boot . Find me another one in the f,n world . What is with you people . Go the Charlotte watch them race on a 1.5 mile d shaped oval . Drink beer and have a good time .
 
mreed said:
Dover does not need to lose a race.

I guess some people aren't happy with a track unless it's 4 wide fighting for the lead for the entire race. There is always good racing going on at any track besides for the lead, people. Try watching the leaderboard at nascar.com and you'll see the lap times and times behind the leader if you don't believe me.

It wasn't that long ago that the winner of many different tracks was 10 or more laps ahead of second place.
Even as recent ago as the 80's it wasn't unusual for the majority of the top 10 to be many laps down.

Dover is fine. Some fans these days just don't know how good the racing is.
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So here is a question then: What was the hook that will keep the fans coming back at the race yesterday? The only dramatic thing I saw was Kyle Bush hunting down Clint. The rest was pretty much a yawner.
 
sloggie said:
So here is a question then: What was the hook that will keep the fans coming back at the race yesterday? The only dramatic thing I saw was Kyle Bush hunting down Clint. The rest was pretty much a yawner.
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problem is that a person needs to be a race fan instead of appointing themselves "chief critic".
 
Just a quick question...
If you want something to change...where is the best place to start?
 
There also was an Nhra National event only 128 miles north of Dover in Englishtown NJ that had a really good turnout. I may be going out on a limb here...but, for as many fans here as i see saying that Dover is a boring race, makes me think that maybe some fans that are not on this forum may feel the same way you feel, and decided to go to the drag races instead. If they did, they picked a pretty good weekend to go, because the air was the best that anyone has ever seen it there, and there was a new world record set in Pro Stock "by a female i might add" and the quickest pass ever in the history of Funny cars. Unfortunately the starter bracket broke and they couldn't start the engine to go for the 1% back up time for a world record. I know that i can't be that special, to be the only one in the world that likes stock cars and drag racing.;)
 
Dover is and has always been the same thing - it's either an exceptional race or a horrible bore. This one was a horrible bore. There's a reason I quit going there.
 
SpeedPagan said:
I think most people who are calling yesterday's race boring are upset that Johnson is back to his winning ways.
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John c said:
If all y'all's driver won at Dover as much as Jimmie does I would bet a weeks wages that you'd be singing a different tune!
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Nope, not me. As I've said a couple of times already, I've never liked Dover, and it has nothing to do with Jimmie Johnson. The races there just generally aren't that great most of the time.

I thought the 600 was okay and Johnson dominated most of that one too.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Nope, not me. As I've said a couple of times already, I've never liked Dover, and it has nothing to do with Jimmie Johnson. The races there just generally aren't that great most of the time.

I thought the 600 was okay and Johnson dominated most of that one too.
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I still stand firm in my position that if your driver won there on a regular basis you would not complain...
 
I've always liked Dover. Very unique track; essentially a short-track but very fast. Perhaps it's not the most "exciting" race on the circuit (not a ton of passing for the lead, not much 3 wide racing, etc.) but racing fans should be able to appreciate the technical aspect of a race like this. The same goes for tracks like Indy and pocono. That doesn't mean that you can't have tracks you dislike, but it does mean that you have to recognize that not all tracks can be like darlington or martinsville in terms or "excitement." Give me a "boring" nascar race over a game of baseball or soccer any day.
 
Honestly from being there in person it was the best crowd in 5 years. I love Dover, but I never feel like it fits well on tv, there are always cars side by side but it seems the leader can just get away there. Its a great race to watch live and I will be very upset if they lose a date, particularly my spring race. As others said before Dover has a crap ton of seats I noticed that the frontstretch and turn 4 are pretty much full its the upper deck and turn 1 and 2 where its empty, knock the place down to 80,000 it sells out.
 
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