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Fordracing7 said:
What would say about the tape that brought a caution out the week before? Or the times nothing is shown always after a green flag pit cycle? There is reasons the sport has lost fans...as a fan I have right to complain.
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Complain all you want , but don't make stuff up . Listen in to the Nascar audio ,find out what is truly going on out there . That debris was likely in the racing groove when it was spotted ,and was moved down by cars hitting it ; the tape you mention probably looked like sheet metal from a distance ; And the debris that isn't shown could be in someones radiator or up in the stands by the time they get the cars under caution . There isn't a driver or crew member that believes there are 'fake' cautions , only misinformed fans . There is never a 'fake' caution when your driver is running second , or about to go a lap down , that should tell you something.
 
ted@economy said:
Complain all you want , but don't make stuff up . Listen in to the Nascar audio ,find out what is truly going on out there . That debris was likely in the racing groove when it was spotted ,and was moved down by cars hitting it ; the tape you mention probably looked like sheet metal from a distance ; And the debris that isn't shown could be in someones radiator or up in the stands by the time they get the cars under caution . There isn't a driver or crew member that believes there are 'fake' cautions , only misinformed fans . There is never a 'fake' caution when your driver is running second , or about to go a lap down , that should tell you something.
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I think Denny and Newman would disagree. Many smarter drivers have 'hinted' that cautions are faked. IMO, there are times when nascar will throw the flag over any excuse because they think it's needed, and other times when it should come out by that same criteria but it doesn't.
 
FenderBumper said:
I think Denny and Newman would disagree. Many smarter drivers have 'hinted' that cautions are faked. IMO, there are times when nascar will throw the flag over any excuse because they think it's needed, and other times when it should come out by that same criteria but it doesn't.
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They often say that in frustration when the caution comes out while they are leading . But you know that's just adrenaline talking . None are that crazy to think that Nascar would throw a 'fake' caution . It would be a slippery slope.
 
ted@economy said:
They often say that in frustration when the caution comes out while they are leading . But you know that's just adrenaline talking . None are that crazy to think that Nascar would throw a 'fake' caution . It would be a slippery slope.
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Not necessarily none. I've heard Todd Bodine say this several times on NASCAR Radio during his weekly appearance on the mid day show. It's only a matter of time before Todd has his mandatory time spent in the race control tower to see how things work. I think that's the normal procedure for any driver that questions this type of thing.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Not necessarily none. I've heard Todd Bodine say this several times on NASCAR Radio during his weekly appearance on the mid day show. It's only a matter of time before Todd has his mandatory time spent in the race control tower to see how things work. I think that's the normal procedure for any driver that questions this type of thing.
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As it should be . You got fans and drivers throwing stuff on the track in addition to what falls off the cars . It's pretty dangerous out there and Nascar has only seconds to react . That's why they make the teams lable their stuff so they can get after teams that are to blame for some of the cautions.
 
ted@economy said:
As it should be . You got fans and drivers throwing stuff on the track in addition to what falls off the cars . It's pretty dangerous out there and Nascar has only seconds to react . That's why they make the teams lable their stuff so they can get after teams that are to blame for some of the cautions.
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I don't get the thought of how a spring rubber being hurled at 100+ mph is not a threat. We all have our own thoughts on this subject and I think that mine pretty much mirror yours. There's a lot of responsibility at putting on this show with the leading one being the safety of everyone involved. If you attend these races it's easy to see how something as simple as a hunk of 200mph tape can be misidentified during the heat of the moment. I know that's not the case with conspiracy theorist. These track officials are in a hard place. Trying to take the time to determine the threat level of debris may already make it too late to avoid trouble. Better to err on the side of caution, pun intended, than to jeopardize fans, officials or competitors. People will continue to read into each caution in what ever way it tends to benefit their argument even though all it is is a safety concern.
 
Fordracing7 said:
So you really believe every single caution is legit? so you believe Jr., Harvick, Newman, Hamlin(In a race which he won), Kahne, Kyle among others are simply speaking from adrenaline? Really?
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100% . This ain't wrestling .
 
I say 5. I have to admit the last 4 laps were really good, but everyone else put me to sleep. Even if though Jimmie won, 5 is as high as I can go.
 
I thought it was a great race. I am a huge Jr fan as well as other drivers and it was awesome to watch jr run so well. I was heartbroken when he came in 2nd and watching his interview because I know how bad he wants it. He gets so much grief by idiot people that say he doesn't want it bad enough to win anymore and that is so far from the truth. I was so sick of hearing about his one mistake very early in the race on pit road from all the media and in every news article .... Omg people stop shoving that down his throat. He lost to JJ ...he lost to the best of the best at his best track end of story. It just wasn't his day.
 
6 ------------- And its that high only because someone other than Kenseth won.

It would only be an 8 if Kyle had won.

I believe someone said "snoozy" ................. Yep thats the word I would use to describe it too
 
tdk67 said:
I thought it was a great race. I am a huge Jr fan as well as other drivers and it was awesome to watch jr run so well. I was heartbroken when he came in 2nd and watching his interview because I know how bad he wants it. He gets so much grief by idiot people that say he doesn't want it bad enough to win anymore and that is so far from the truth. I was so sick of hearing about his one mistake very early in the race on pit road from all the media and in every news article .... Omg people stop shoving that down his throat. He lost to JJ ...he lost to the best of the best at his best track end of story. It just wasn't his day.
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Welcome to the forum tdk67 , we can always use another Junior fan. We did have a few Junior bashers here a couple of years back , but he pretty much silenced them . I really think a lot of Steve Letarte , too bad they didn't get together earlier in Junior's career.
 
Kyle18fan said:
6 ------------- And its that high only because someone other than Kenseth won.

It would only be an 8 if Kyle had won.

I believe someone said "snoozy" ................. Yep thats the word I would use to describe it too
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Welcome to the forum Kyle18fan . Most of the folks who post on the 'rate the race' threads , base their rating on who won . That's fair . I'm one of those nuts who enjoy all of the races ,doesn't matter who won or by how much . So it would be equally silly for me to post a 10 every week. :)
 
ted@economy said:
Welcome to the forum Kyle18fan . Most of the folks who post on the 'rate the race' threads , base their rating on who won . That's fair . I'm one of those nuts who enjoy all of the races ,doesn't matter who won or by how much . So it would be equally silly for me to post a 10 every week. :)
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Thank you Ted !! Sometimes I dont give a race a 10 even when my guy wins. I too enjoy all the races but some more than others.
Gonna cry when the season is over :(
 
Kyle18fan said:
Thank you Ted !! Sometimes I dont give a race a 10 even when my guy wins. I too enjoy all the races but some more than others.
Gonna cry when the season is over :(
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Nice to see new people...welcome to the forum, I too like to watch all the races for the racing. I don't really have a favorite driver any more, like Jr, Kasey, Kurt is growing on me for some reason, don't know why, because I used to hate the guy, but anyway....have fun and stay awhile!
 
Mopardh9 said:
Nice to see new people...welcome to the forum, I too like to watch all the races for the racing. I don't really have a favorite driver any more, like Jr, Kasey, Kurt is growing on me for some reason, don't know why, because I used to hate the guy, but anyway....have fun and stay awhile!
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Thank you Mopar. Its a bit late in the season for me to get started on here but it is what it is.
I think Kurt may be growing on everyone including myself but I am a RABID Kyle Busch fan !!! I think having a favorite driver makes the whole Nascar experience better and Kyle racing in the NW is great for me cause I really enjoy that series too.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Thank you Mopar. Its a bit late in the season for me to get started on here but it is what it is.
I think Kurt may be growing on everyone including myself but I am a RABID Kyle Busch fan !!! I think having a favorite driver makes the whole Nascar experience better and Kyle racing in the NW is great for me cause I really enjoy that series too.
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I agree, my favorite retired, Bill Elliot, so then I cheered on Kasey when he took over the 9, but now that he is at Hendrick I don't really follow him as a favorite. So maybe when Larson come up I might start liking him as a fave.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I agree, my favorite retired, Bill Elliot, so then I cheered on Kasey when he took over the 9, but now that he is at Hendrick I don't really follow him as a favorite. So maybe when Larson come up I might start liking him as a fave.
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Chase Elliot
 
ted@economy said:
Welcome to the forum tdk67 , we can always use another Junior fan. We did have a few Junior bashers here a couple of years back , but he pretty much silenced them . I really think a lot of Steve Letarte , too bad they didn't get together earlier in Junior's career.
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Thank you for the welcome ... I can't believe I didn't find this forum before now since I am nascar fan!!
 
Kyle18fan said:
Thank you Mopar. Its a bit late in the season for me to get started on here but it is what it is.
I think Kurt may be growing on everyone including myself but I am a RABID Kyle Busch fan !!! I think having a favorite driver makes the whole Nascar experience better and Kyle racing in the NW is great for me cause I really enjoy that series too.
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I'm still not a huge fan of Kurt but it's funny... A few years ago I couldn't stand kyle ...he was such a ass in his interviews if he came in 2nd or something didn't go his way. And he was such an impatient racer that he would usually end up wrecking people rather than come in 2nd. Now let's move to present tense now a more mature married kyle... Oh my goodness what a difference. I really like him this year.
 
tdk67 said:
I'm still not a huge fan of Kurt but it's funny... A few years ago I couldn't stand kyle ...he was such a ass in his interviews if he came in 2nd or something didn't go his way. And he was such an impatient racer that he would usually end up wrecking people rather than come in 2nd. Now let's move to present tense now a more mature married kyle... Oh my goodness what a difference. I really like him this year.
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Yes he has changed a lot but thankfully he still has that fire. Anything less than a win still seems to bother him but he has learned that sometimes a top 5 is better than nothing IMO

I never enjoyed seeing him get mad and stomp back to his hauler while ignoring the reporters but I think I understand why he did that.
 
FenderBumper said:
I think Denny and Newman would disagree. Many smarter drivers have 'hinted' that cautions are faked. IMO, there are times when nascar will throw the flag over any excuse because they think it's needed, and other times when it should come out by that same criteria but it doesn't.
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Its amazing how many naive... (Well not many that I have met here) people are oblivious or want to be believe in saint hood so much.

Of course there has been faked cautions thrown before. Specially in this sport, oh specially indeed.

Its like saying any referee hasn't ever rigged a game before. Such things happen.

But hey if people want to live in a bubble, good for them.
 
Sorry if you feel our sports is rigged .I certainly couldn't watch it if I felt that way.
 
ted@economy said:
Sorry if you feel our sports is rigged .I certainly couldn't watch it if I felt that way.
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Come on ted, get with the program here. Of course any debris caution that benefits, oh let's say, Dale Jr for example. You know, the one that gives him a Lucky Dog. That's a fake caution. The caution that comes out when we get a large lead, that's a fake caution. Really, any caution that comes out for debris and television doesn't get a shot of a track worker picking it up..... That's a fake caution. If we don't see it, it's fake. If it benefits someone that we don't like, it's fake. It's really simple if you think about it.
 
What are you two going on about.

First of all I didn't say this sport was rigged and certainly NASCAR doesn't always throw the caution willy nilly.

However they do take liberties with it and that's something that should not even be debateable. It just is.

This is not about a complaint because my favorite driver got screwed out of a win or this or that. Hell Gordon has greatly benefitted in some cases of the caution not coming out/coming out via a shady, uncomfirmed caution (As far as the TV crew is concerned)

Just as an example, you guys are going on about safety and how NASCAR is always looking out for the competitors which BTW I fully agree with but like I said, only when it fits their criteria.

Back in 2007 at Darlington Gordon stayed out in the closing laps, there was a car, dont remember who it was but what matters here is that he blew up, that car was puffing up smoke and laying oil all over the track and yet NASCAR refused to throw out the caution. That allowed Gordon to win the race.

After the race was over and post race interview began, Denny who finished second was mad because dear NASCAR didn't throw the caution. When they interviewed Gordon resonated what Denny said about the lack of the caution.

I believe he even mentioned how he had oil recedue on his windshield.

Maybe I'll even post a few youtube vids on that for reference later on.

Are we to believe that a rubber way down in the apron is more dangerous than slick oil all over a track? Its equally if not worst than the aforementioned

So dont tell me NASCAR ain't got their own agenda when it comes to playing with the caution button.

It is what it is gentleman.
 
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I believe that there are phantom debris cautions, only because it's much more fun to believe in conspiracies than to believe that everything is always on the up-and-up. :)

Seriously though, on the flip side, I definitely believe that there are times when NASCAR should probably throw the caution but they don't because they want to have a more exciting finish. I remember that Phoenix race last year when everybody was sliding in Danica's oil coming to the checkered flag. I believe something similar happened at Watkins Glen last year too...some of the drivers complained that there was oil everywhere on the last lap and the caution was never thrown.
 
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