DW adresses the possible points change

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Linda from Ontario, Canada: Even though I'm against it, if NASCAR makes the 10-to-go point system happen, wouldn't the schedule have to change drastically -- say the Daytona 500 becoming the season finale -- to make the final 10 "playoff" races worthy?

Darrell Waltrip: If you're going to have a 10-race shootout, look at the tracks that are going to lose out of some of the glamour of being involved in the 10 races. No Daytona or Indianapolis. When you start talking about a change that is going to affect our sport as drastically as this new point system would affect it, there are so many elements that have to be taken into consideration. A schedule change very well could be part of it. I just don't think it's as simple as saying, "We're going to have a 10-race playoff." I think that there are a lot of ramifications to be considered and certainly scheduling could be a big part of that.
 
It's almost funny how much time and energy is being spent on a possible change to a formula that has taken NASCAR this far. How do dumbass ideas like this come up? Realize, it took a bunch of guys sitting around a table, "brain(less) storming" to come up with and advocate such a thing. Is this the same "mentality (or not) that our financial "analysts" use while F'ing up corpoarte reviews...and steering things via voodo?
 
The 10 Race Playoff Idea Rocks >> Its the time of year when Nascar ratings go Down and NFL ratings go up>>> and if your not in the top 10 with 10 to go....your not gonna win the title anyway>> let 10 guys really duke it out for the title with 10 to go >> that will be tons of Excitement no matter what Track they run at!
 
It's a dumbass idea. The 11th place team with 10n to go can and has finished well inside the top ten in the past. How oud the superbowl look with all the other teams playing at the same time.

If the tv ratings are hurting when football begins, they need to take a good close look at the dumbass coverage ad not a point structure. Inventing band-aids for the wrong cure is as good as sticking your head in the sand when a lion is after your ass.
 
Originally posted by Windsor377@Dec 27 2003, 11:58 PM
Inventing band-aids for the wrong cure is as good as sticking your head in the sand when a lion is after your ass.
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Loved that!
 
I don't see this drastic change to the point system happening, the point that DW brought up is a valid one. Think about the tracks that would be crying foul! There would be hell to pay for sure, i can see some minor tweaking,but a 10 race so called playoff.....i don't think it will happen and if it does you can count me out.
 
The problem with the current points system is that >> If A Driver has a good size lead >> he will just ride around the track and not race anyone those last 5 or 10 races >> Earnhardt was the king of that >> Ride around and get a top 10 >> but no wins but you win a title. I get tired of this type of racing! The race winner needs rewarded with more points and this 10 race points deal might be something a little more interesting than watching your points leader "PUTZ" around the track!
 
Who cares about what race facility it is! Daytona and Talledega used to be the races to watch >>> now they are not even worth watching! Restrictor plate racing stinks and Nascar continues to allow one team to get away with something at these tracks! So why even race there or bother watching a race there!
 
Originally posted by slick-nick+Dec 28 2003, 12:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slick-nick @ Dec 28 2003, 12:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Windsor377@Dec 27 2003, 11:58 PM
Inventing band-aids for the wrong cure is as good as sticking your head in the sand when a lion is after your ass.
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Loved that! [/b][/quote]
ECHO THAT!

Just think about it......Texas Terry would not have been in the top 10 this season if they had implemented the lottery system in 2003.
 
Originally posted by racer8@Dec 28 2003, 12:03 PM
I always remember Earnhardt racing as hard as he could everytime.
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Me too, and that's how he gained MY respect! I don't need to root for a driver to respect them.
 

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Originally posted by slick-nick+Dec 28 2003, 12:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slick-nick @ Dec 28 2003, 12:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Windsor377@Dec 27 2003, 11:58 PM
Inventing band-aids for the wrong cure is as good as sticking your head in the sand when a lion is after your ass.
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Loved that! [/b][/quote]
LOL! Glad you liked it!
 
Originally posted by kat2220+Dec 28 2003, 12:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kat2220 @ Dec 28 2003, 12:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -slick-nick@Dec 28 2003, 12:44 AM
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@Dec 27 2003, 11:58 PM
Inventing band-aids for the wrong cure is as good as sticking your head in the sand when a lion is after your ass.
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Loved that!
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ECHO THAT!

Just think about it......Texas Terry would not have been in the top 10 this season if they had implemented the lottery system in 2003. [/b][/quote]
Ditto!
 
In Big E's championship years >> he was basically a back marker >> in the last few races of the year >> You obviously werent watching back then!Meanwhile Rusty and Bill were winning and winning and winning!
 
Originally posted by rajflyboy@Dec 28 2003, 05:02 PM
In Big E's championship years >> he was basically a back marker >> in the last few races of the year >> You obviously werent watching back then!Meanwhile Rusty and Bill were winning and winning and winning!
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Yes I was!
 
Originally posted by kat2220@Dec 28 2003, 12:00 PM
Just think about it......Texas Terry would not have been in the top 10 this season if they had implemented the lottery system in 2003.
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Ditto for Bill Elliott.
 
I don't think its all that bad of an idea if you would allow maybe the top 15 drivers instead of the top 10.
 
If they lock in the top 10 with races to go. Do they quit counting points then. What happens if the 11 and the 12 place driver ends up with more points than the 9th or 10th place driver. At the end of the season. Do they get screwed. :dual9mm:
 
The way I think it would work is nobody but the people locked in the top 10 would get points, they are just racing for the win.
 
Originally posted by 66mustang@Dec 28 2003, 11:10 PM
The way I think it would work is nobody but the people locked in the top 10 would get points, they are just racing for the win.
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I think that would just take away from the whole original point system and help nobody.
 
I know if I was the 11-15 place driver with a chance to break into the top 10 and not alloud to I think I would be highly po'ed. :angry:
 
You got that right Gollum :wub:, otherwise why even pay the entry fee or show up? IMHO, if NCUP does implement this system, the last 10 races will NOT sell to fans!!
 
You know fellas, I look at it this way, I was a HUGE Oakland A's fan back in the 80's...all season long I could go watch games for cheap...but when they were in the playoffs...or world series, getting a ticket involved fat pockets and connections...attributes not familiar to your common fan (such as myself). The super bowl works the same way...so if NASCAR decides to pull these shenanigans, then it would seem that they don't care that much about the fans they talk so much about caring for...................................Well, that being said, people complain about Kenseth winning the championship, well, he was the "model of consistancy" all season and that's what wins championships...I seem to remember the Yankees and even the A's blowing out the World Series a few times, and no one complained...it was just understood that "THEY WERE THE BEST ALL YEAR". If NASCAR has a problem with someone totally dominating the top ten all year, then they're forgetting the fans...I'm not even a Kenseth fan, but I can't argue that he was on top of his game. Okay, I'm rambling like a champ, but I think y'all can pick up what I'mputting down. Out.
 
Either Way >>> The Points System needs to Give more To Race Winners >>> Period!!

No way should the guy who came in second be able to come out of a race with as many points as the Winner! He can do that by leading the most laps of the race! The way I look at it >> Whoever crosses the finish line first wins >> and should take the Points too!
 
I agree about giving extra points to the winner of the race. He deserves them. But to lock in the top 10 and put the screws to the 11th on up drive is bad idea.
 
rajflyboy, I don't think there is anyone here that isn't in agreement that the winner of the race should get the most points. That means after all is said and done, the winner and 2nd place finisher don't receive the same amount of points because of leading a lap, most laps lead, etc.
 
Yep Flyboy i'll agree the winner should get more points ...say at least 20 moe than the 2nd place guy. This 10 race playoff IMO opinion will shorten the field,not as many entries. If they are locked in for the first ten and the rest of the field is not racing for points just the win, then i think some of the teams with smaller budgets will pick and choose which races they will run at the end of the season. You might go to a race , not see your favorite driver, that wouldn't be cool. Give the pole sitter 5 points or 10 and give the winner a few more than he is getting now. Eliminate some of the provissionals, minor tweaking like we said all along and the existing point system will be fine.
 
Originally posted by Mopardh9@Dec 29 2003, 11:12 AM
Yep Flyboy i'll agree the winner should get more points ...say at least 20 moe than the 2nd place guy. This 10 race playoff IMO opinion will shorten the field,not as many entries. If they are locked in for the first ten and the rest of the field is not racing for points just the win, then i think some of the teams with smaller budgets will pick and choose which races they will run at the end of the season. You might go to a race , not see your favorite driver, that wouldn't be cool. Give the pole sitter 5 points or 10 and give the winner a few more than he is getting now. Eliminate some of the provissionals, minor tweaking like we said all along and the existing point system will be fine.
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I couldn't agree more! Minor tweaking is needed!
 
I just don't agree with giving the pole sitter points. Never will!
However, I do agree that the winner should get the most
points over whoever finishes second and why. If the second
place finisher had t he most laps led, and led at haly way, fine, But
then add 10 points to the winner's points to keep him on the top!!
Any way you cut it, the winner SHOULD have the most points
at the end of the race!!!!!
Tweaking is a good thing, but this proposed change just plain
STINKS!!!!!!!!!
 
I'm hoping this "proposal" is just to stir up the stink, that way no matter what NASCAR does fans will be relieved this didn't happen.
 
I hope they go with the 10 Race Points System >> It will make it very exciting >> and all you folks will love it and next year at this time >> will be saying how awesome it is!! he he he Just my 2 cents worth!!
 
Originally posted by rajflyboy@Dec 29 2003, 04:11 PM
I hope they go with the 10 Race Points System >> It will make it very exciting >> and all you folks will love it and next year at this time >> will be saying how awesome it is!! he he he Just my 2 cents worth!!
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hehehe,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NOT! :D

This top 10, 10 race crap is for the birds! I feel that it is a slam in the face to the driver(s) who could very easily make it into the top 10. The whole points system is about consistency! That was the case before Matt Kenseth won the top prize! And, should be the case after, too!!!!!
 
If your driver is in the top 10 and no chance of dropping from the 10 race shoot out yep you will love it. But if he's say fron 11 - 15 with a good chance of getting into the top 10 and can't no matter how good he runs in the final10 races your not gonna be happy. I think the hold idea sucks. That's my 2 cents. :angry:
 
The fans will Love it because it will bring >> Competitive racing to the last 10 Races >> Something that Nascar misses out on >> Usually the end of the Season isn't so great >> This will add some "Spice" to the sport and After the Fact Next Year >> You all will make Posts saying How Awesome this system is!
 
I hate the whole ludricous idea of a 10 race play-off system,if the Top 15 drivers were allowed to compete for the Cup then I could somewhat bear it,but still wouldn't like it.
I also think that a road course event should be included in the final 10 races as IMO these are the track types that really seperate the contenders from the pretenders.
I'm in agreement with several here that mentioned awarding more points to the race winner,IMO should be 10 more points awarded,excludes any bonus points,so a perfect race winner would receive 195 total points.I fear that if 20 or more extra points were awarded the winner that the Top 5 drivers in any given race would race that much harder for the win,doubtless some drivers would make some very dangerous moves that would backfire sometimes and cause nasty accidents,JMO ;)
 
Originally posted by rajflyboy@Dec 29 2003, 06:12 PM
The fans will Love it because it will bring >> Competitive racing to the last 10 Races >> Something that Nascar misses out on >> Usually the end of the Season isn't so great >> This will add some "Spice" to the sport and After the Fact Next Year >> You all will make Posts saying How Awesome this system is!
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Fans will hate it if Nasca$h does this. Polls, drivers, etc. all say NO!!!!

If they do it, I'll be really pizzed.

STUPID PROPOSAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Oh Well >> Looks Like Nascar is going to implement this system >> and I can't wait to Say I told you so next year!!
 
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