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SST55
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Let's put it this way, Brad used a tack hammer, Edwards a 20 pound sledge.
Edwards penalty
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VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
That'd be all afie and dandy if Carl would learn how to retaliate wthout destroying cars. And dammit, it wasn't even in 3&4 where he retaliated, it was down the front stretch at full speed in front of a field of cars.
How the hell can anyone justify that?
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
That's just it, you can't! As much as people seem to want to justify Carl's actions, they're dead wrong. Absolutely no excuse.
As much as I hate seeing Keselowski get probation for his part, it makes perfect sense. The whole idea of the penalties is to stop the crap. Leaving Keselowski to run free would have been the wrong move. It had to be done.
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SlowNeasy
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it wasn't that long ago this was being said about brad. he's improved but i'm not ready to count him one of the elite drivers yet.
nothing at all and would get the most attention from carl.
Let's put it this way, Brad used a tack hammer, Edwards a 20 pound sledge.
Then Brad needs to update his knowledge, use and selection of tools.
Apparently, by NASCAR's choice to penalize Brad, as well as Carl.......um........you do the math.
Nobody interviewed Brad in Victory Lane. Run what ya brung...
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
mike honcho
Knuckleheads
Might as well be the worse car you have if you racing against Edwards cause it's going to be a pile of junk by the time the race is over.
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chromehorn
Guest
Carl is quickly becoming my favorite driver. Go Carl go.
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#17D500winner
Guest
Watching this mob mentality form against Edwards while the Keselowskette is elevated to near sainthood is not without its entertainment value.
Keep up the good work and as chromehord said...go Carl go.
Keep up the good work and as chromehord said...go Carl go.
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
Sainthood ? Wow ...where did that come from ? Brad is one of the rougher drivers out there . Carl is just angry and overreacts .I would think that anyone who is a fan of old school , rubbin is racin , driving , like I am , would have to like Brad's driving style . Fans of figure eight demolition derby would lean towards Carl. Both are great guys but not saints.
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing
Team Owner
I don't care about justifying anything. I can't stand Brad, he is the driver I hate the most in Nascar. I was just happy as sh*t to see him get dumped. I wish for it every week actually.
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
So you're glad to see someone you hate get dumped, even if it endangers othe drivers and destroys other cars?
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
You would have enjoyed the gladiators in Rome ,back in my day .
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing
Team Owner
No that part was unfortunate but it happens sometimes. Brad got what he deserved though.
Go Panthers
We are the people our parents warned us about
Wonder if you'd feel the same way if Brad was killed in that wreck.
Would Brad deserved it if he was killed?
i fail to see what it is people think Brad deserved he races hard isn't that what the hell we want
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
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carsntunes
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Is this NASCAR or As The World Turns? Save the melodrama for daytime TV.
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carsntunes
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Brad is the perfect fit for Penske. Whiney crybabys that can't take what they dish out. I smell Rusty Wallace all over again.
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#17D500winner
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Brad is the perfect fit for Penske. Whiney crybabys that can't take what they dish out. I smell Rusty Wallace all over again.
And there it is...someone finally came out with the truth (as I see it) and cry me ****** river.
You race hard, you get raced hard and in Rusty's defence - he fought his own battles and may have cried a bit along the way but they got settled.
Gloves.
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#17D500winner
Guest
Whilst I'm making myself more unpopular I might just as well go all in... the Keselowskette has pushed/bullied/bumped/ his way into Nascar and finally someone has had enough!
Impune Edwards all you want but he's the one standing up to little kez and has done NOTHING that hasn't been already done by the series top drivers, when a young buck gets to big on himself.
It doesn't help that he (Edwards) doesn't drive for the golden team but someone needs to let little boy and fat man know that you don't just walk in here and take over...I'll give that guber no more media by mentioning his name.
Stick to you guns, Edwards, 'cause Jack aint PC and he'll sure as hell stick to his.
Now, who is it in Nascar that sells Honda's? And who supports one of the oldest auto makers around?
Impune Edwards all you want but he's the one standing up to little kez and has done NOTHING that hasn't been already done by the series top drivers, when a young buck gets to big on himself.
It doesn't help that he (Edwards) doesn't drive for the golden team but someone needs to let little boy and fat man know that you don't just walk in here and take over...I'll give that guber no more media by mentioning his name.
Stick to you guns, Edwards, 'cause Jack aint PC and he'll sure as hell stick to his.
Now, who is it in Nascar that sells Honda's? And who supports one of the oldest auto makers around?
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Mopardh9
Guest
Ok there is a HUGE difference between racing hard and racing with no regard for anyone but yourself. What Carl did was just wrong, I just can't understand anyone justifying his actions.
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
[QUOTE=#17D500winner;396709...I'll give that guber no more media by mentioning his name
I'm bettin that's not true.
I'm bettin that's not true.
buckaroo
Here kitty, kitty, kitty
It's thoughts like this that has brought down NASCAR from it's lofty perch with the fans. Clean it up, make the boys behave, give the sponsors all the power. Sorry Mopar, but this sport made it's name by the boys being boisterous and taking care of business on the track, no matter how. When the sport was very young and the cars were not nearly as safe, this sort of thing was the norm every race. It made the drivers learn how to race defensively as well as aggressively. And, if drivers found themselves in a mess caused by someone else, they would then retaliate as well as the first victim. But, we want the sport to be "safe" and clean so that our driver won't get in harms way.Ok there is a HUGE difference between racing hard and racing with no regard for anyone but yourself. What Carl did was just wrong, I just can't understand anyone justifying his actions.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
This was never the norm every race. At least not in the last 30 years that I've been attending and the watching races. Flame away if you like but to say this is how it always was is completely untrue.
97forever
Team Owner
A penalty for Carl?
Hypocritical double standard idiocy.
The only way NASCAR should fine or penalize Edwards is if the sanctioning body has the integrity to rewrite and retrofit the Earnhardt legacy in order to reflect their displeasure with such acts.
Until they do, they are a joke.
Hey,NASCAR: the whole world gets it,maybe you should too.
Hypocritical double standard idiocy.
The only way NASCAR should fine or penalize Edwards is if the sanctioning body has the integrity to rewrite and retrofit the Earnhardt legacy in order to reflect their displeasure with such acts.
Until they do, they are a joke.
Hey,NASCAR: the whole world gets it,maybe you should too.
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#17D500winner
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Ok there is a HUGE difference between racing hard and racing with no regard for anyone but yourself. What Carl did was just wrong, I just can't understand anyone justifying his actions.
Can you understand that not everyone sees things the same way?
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SST55
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In Fridays interview Edwards was very clear, touch his car and he'll retaliate.
I have a feeling that he's going to have a lot of DNF's coming up.
I have a feeling that he's going to have a lot of DNF's coming up.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Unfortunately, BKez can't keep up with him in Cup to retaliate.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
I don't recall Earnhardt ever wrecking a guy from 100+ laps down like Carl did to BKez at Atlanta.
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Mopardh9
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Like i said Buck there is a big difference between "racing hard" and racing "dirty". I don't seem to remember anything as blatant as what happened at Gateway happening back in the day. Taking another guy out on the straight and causing a huge pile up is no way to race. Fine drive like that, but get the black flag for it. Nudging another car in the corner, moving him out of the racing groove is one thing, but driving through him to get the win.....no way to race IMO. Maybe I just have a different view of racing than most of you here, but where I grew up watching racing, Edwards actions would of been immediate disqualification and probably barred from the track for at least a week. Seems some of you won't be satisfied with this "boys have at it stuff" until some one gets hurt. Lets' see if you still have the same opinion if that happens?
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Mopardh9
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Yep sure can
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Mopardh9
Guest
No kidding, i don't either.
97forever
Team Owner
On the other hand, your recollections don't change the reality that hypocrisy is at the heart of the matter.
Carl has a habit of retaliating for perceived wrongs, Earnhardt had a habit of instigating retaliation, period. In either case, contact racing is contact racing and should have been addressed and dealt with as soon as Earnhardt made it 'cool' and acceptable(at least if you are the chosen driver, that is).
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#17D500winner
Guest
Right on.
97forever
Team Owner
Like i said Buck there is a big difference between "racing hard" and racing "dirty". I don't seem to remember anything as blatant as what happened at Gateway happening back in the day. Taking another guy out on the straight and causing a huge pile up is no way to race. Fine drive like that, but get the black flag for it. Nudging another car in the corner, moving him out of the racing groove is one thing, but driving through him to get the win.....no way to race IMO. Maybe I just have a different view of racing than most of you here, but where I grew up watching racing, Edwards actions would of been immediate disqualification and probably barred from the track for at least a week. Seems some of you won't be satisfied with this "boys have at it stuff" until some one gets hurt. Lets' see if you still have the same opinion if that happens?
Old buddy, it depends on which era you are calling 'back in the day'.
Prior to the late 80's, this kind of overly hyped stuff, while it certainly happened, didn't seem to be as accepted as it has been since then. If I were going to try to trace it back, I would say the 'new ' Nascar era of bump-and-crash-driving began between 1987 and the winston battles between Earnhardt vs Elliot and the release of "Days of Thunder" in the early 1990's.By that time, Nascar's blind eye towards certain drivers being able to get by with a lot more than others left the 'back in the day' days a lot farther back. By then, it became cool to crash the other guy if it sold t-shirts....
And make no mistake, Carl and Brad were watching, on re-runs at least.
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing
Team Owner
No one in the top 3 series of Nascar has died since Dale Sr. so don't be over dramatic.
Let them box it out. That's how we did it in Motocross/Supercross.
mike honcho
Knuckleheads
but don't think it can't happen either
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SlowNeasy
Guest
seems to me vince mcmahon jr (does he still run the wwf, raw or whatever it's called now?) could make a little money featuring nascar feuding drivers. coming soon live to an arena near you.... make that a ppv special. <g>