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Making rules on top of rules. A good explanation of where Nascar is and was.
It's all you have known right?Enough is enough it's been 20 years get over it.
Full Season Points Enthusiast and/or HistorianREGIONIONALIST
Is that 2 or more regions?
There are actually a group of fans that arnt as old as I am that only know the Chase and Playoff formats. The full season points system train left the station in 2003 and will never be becoming back. I really dont understand why folks clamor for it's return, its a humongous waste of time that accomplishes nothing.It's all you have known right?
Beard makes some good points. I doubt many here will take the time or the bandwidth to listen.Brock Beard is usually focused on the LASTCAR.
He might consider staying in that lane.
No, that's a Regeneralist.REGIONIONALIST
Is that 2 or more regions?![]()
I listened.Beard makes some good points. I doubt many here will take the time or the bandwidth to listen.![]()
For years the numbers for the "playoffs" haven't increased. And now Nascar is concerned with their integrity and rightfully so. It's not about racing anymore, it's all about win and you are in.I listened.
8 Billion per year. Anyone, Brock Beard included, who thinks broadcasters are going to roll the dice on a Championship that’s decided before the last race (or races) is run is delusional.
I listened.
8 Billion per year. Anyone, Brock Beard included, who thinks broadcasters are going to roll the dice on a Championship that’s decided before the last race (or races) is run is delusional.
$8B over seven years but yeah, I don’t see NBC wavering on this anytime soon. They wanted it when they came back into the sport a decade ago, and with their slate getting smaller next year the playoff only becomes a bigger component of their package.I listened.
8 Billion per year. Anyone, Brock Beard included, who thinks broadcasters are going to roll the dice on a Championship that’s decided before the last race (or races) is run is delusional.
It's not about racing anymore, it's all about win and you are in.
Not really. Each race was still there to win each week. Some people think wins are just as important as championships.There are actually a group of fans that arnt as old as I am that only know the Chase and Playoff formats. The full season points system train left the station in 2003 and will never be becoming back. I really dont understand why folks clamor for it's return, its a humongous waste of time that accomplishes nothing.
That’s true, but just because you win one race doesn’t mean you should qualify for a chance to be the champion. Just think, if Austin Dillon won without all the BS that happened, a guy 32nd in points right now would in the playoffs and have a chance to win the championship. Little ridiculous.The ultimate goal in every race is to win. If you aren’t trying to do that, you should pack up and go home.
The ultimate goal in every race is to win. If you aren’t trying to do that, you should pack up and go home.
I think the big brainstorm they had when coked up Brian and the NBC who do's came together is that they thought the playoffs would be this great stick and ball type moneymaker.F1 makes that amount seem like peanuts and their media partners don't seem to care. 2019 was the last time the World Series went to game 7.
At the beginning of the season I too thought that a full season championship in NASCAR would never ever come back. Now I think it's at least worth a discussion.
All it's reasons for creation in 2004 aren't valid anymore.
- the title sponsor that wanted it is gone
- Brian France is in exile
- NASCAR thought they could compete with, and possibly beat NFL TV ratings by creating the Chase. A comical thought at this point.
- The parity of the NextGen car is proven. The guy 32nd in points was the best car at Richmond. It is unlikely you'd get a runaway championship.
It would build a lot of goodwill within the industry and motorsports fans in general if NASCAR went back to a full points season. I think that is worth more to NASCAR than money at this point.
Nothing wrong with winning, nobody said that. It's win and you are in. Think about the difference.The ultimate goal in every race is to win. If you aren’t trying to do that, you should pack up and go home.
I think a reasonable compromise would be going back towards a 10-race ‘chase’, this time with an increased emphasis on playoff points and a more exclusive field of 10-12.F1 makes that amount seem like peanuts and their media partners don't seem to care. 2019 was the last time the World Series went to game 7.
At the beginning of the season I too thought that a full season championship in NASCAR would never ever come back. Now I think it's at least worth a discussion.
All it's reasons for creation in 2004 aren't valid anymore.
- the title sponsor that wanted it is gone
- Brian France is in exile
- NASCAR thought they could compete with, and possibly beat NFL TV ratings by creating the Chase. A comical thought at this point.
- The parity of the NextGen car is proven. The guy 32nd in points was the best car at Richmond. It is unlikely you'd get a runaway championship.
It would build a lot of goodwill within the industry and motorsports fans in general if NASCAR went back to a full points season. I think that is worth more to NASCAR than money at this point.
Joe Nemechek made a fortune doing that very thing as a start and park driver...The ultimate goal in every race is to win. If you aren’t trying to do that, you should pack up and go home.
The end races of the season would build up naturally, if your driver didn't win, he possibly had a good day and maybe the point leader had a bad one. With win and you are in who cares if they have a win already. Win the Daytona 500 the first race...and there ya go . It's not just a win, almost no matter what happens, they are in the playoffs. That takes away a whole lot of the worth of racing the rest of the season. Who cares about the big races, they are in the "playoffs".
So does just giving more points to the race winner, and it's less confusing.Playoff points mitigate this concern. If you don’t accumulate playoff points, you’ll likely be eliminated from the playoffs pretty quickly.
You are eliminated for the most part already if during the season the team doesn't perform. That doesn't mean because they won one race and are like 25th or so they should automatically be elevated to 16th in the playoffs leaping over teams with better records.Playoff points mitigate this concern. If you don’t accumulate playoff points, you’ll likely be eliminated from the playoffs pretty quickly.
The ultimate goal in every race is to win. If you aren’t trying to do that, you should pack up and go home.
You are eliminated for the most part already if during the season the team doesn't perform. That doesn't mean because they won one race and are like 25th or so they should automatically be elevated to 16th in the playoffs leaping over teams with better records.
We see it every year after they do the cut offs. Seems like always after they screw up the points with the top 16, there is competition for 17th for the season and it is ignored.
I don't know where you are coming up with this. Nowhere in the article was anything bad was said about winning a race.So .., Kyle Larson isn’t trying to win every race he starts in the 5?
Laugh. Out. Loud.