I don't understand this? Nowhere in the article had nothing like this mentioned. The article was mainly focused on how the sport has changed because of the playoffs, the gimmicks with the point system, the driving styles with wreck em to win and you are in etc.
This shows some of the nonsense of the current points system. There isn't any way that Kyle Busch should be elevated to a top 16th place or better because of a win with the record the 8 has in the series this year. Nascar integrity?
I came up with it after scrolling posts … some of which suggest that drivers with a win are no longer incentivized to the extent they were prior to said win.
The nonsense is when a team with one win all season is falsely inflated into the playoffs over the backs of other teams with a better record and higher earned points. I'm pretty sure the teams who they leapfrogged over wants to win a race also.
Is there a team currently in that situation?
Is the fastest car winning qualifying now?
Is there a team with one win that has so far been falsely inserted into the playoff race at the expense of other teams?
Nobody was saying falsely inserted. Post 38 explains the nonsense of the playoff points system. Without it, teams don't have a ceiling, they can go on a run in the later stages of the season. They are taking a lot of racing and competition and ignoring it.
I agree this would be shaping up to be a pretty spectacular points battle if that were the format, but there’s no guarantee it would always be that way. Even with the parity of the Next Gen, Elliott would’ve run away with the 2022 title with a couple of races to go. The network wants a guarantee that it comes down to the final event no matter what - for better or for worse.
Elliott didn't win in 2022. So let's fake it up and say it's integrity lol. No, I think it's rare with the next gen to run away with the points and if they did, it would be news worthy for the effort.
What I meant is that they shut out all of the teams from finishing higher than 17th.
Cutting that word down the middle will make tears flow.REGIONIONALIST
Is that 2 or more regions?
Ratings weren’t falling until AFTER the first chase was implemented. 2006 Daytona was the peak. The playoff system is only partially to blame though for the ratings declines from 2007-2019. It’s multiple factors.
I’m with ya. I’m shook SOI is on team “abolish the playoffs” , maybe I wasn’t paying attention all this time. Listen, I hated The Chase since its inception, I’ve hated the playoffs. They’re both gimmicks intended to drum up drama and keep the field bunched. IMO, many drivers legacies were screwed with and it’s just a shame that it’s hard to compare records over era’s. I hope I one day see the full season points format reinstated, championship battles were organic, and other drivers I felt were more highlighted through the field as their stories were covered instead of just “the playoff drivers”.
I don’t think anyone here expects anything to change.
How do you know? We got the playoff system because of fans outcry in the first place. You know I believe if Dillon would have only wrecked Logano we wouldn't be talking about this? That is how numb we have become to this nonsense.
Two years in a row there has been a winner in the Trucks that didn't deserve the win no way no how.
I suppose anything is possible, but it would probably be the first and only instance of playoff contraction in major American sports. Granted, playoffs in other sports are actually commercially additive since more games means more tickets and TV inventory to sell (even if they make the regular season a meaningless slog in the process). That isn’t the case in NASCAR, and as gnome said, there’s nothing in the viewership figures that indicate it’s made much of a difference for the ten races that now make up the playoffs. But you would still have to do a lot in convincing NBC and NASCAR that their baby isn’t all it was cracked up to be.
ah so we're airing our grievances or venting... carry on. I dont want to get in the way of a good vent
once we bring down the playoffs you knowing I'm coming for that number placement next by leading that charge
0 wins, and the 6th best driver. If Matt won without any wins, he at least was the best driver ALL SEASON. Little bit of a difference tbh.
Very true. Matt never broke that year, it was an insane feat of team and driver consistency that played perfectly into the system that was used at the time with 16 top 5's and 25(!!) top 10's with 2 DNF's. You say swap out his only win with a mid teen's finish and he still wins, so be it. Other drivers that year should have found a way to be more consistent. Newman's 2014 had 5 top 5's the entire year and 16 top 10's but only had one DNF. He also played the playoff system perfectly as everyone above him was taking each other out at playoff time and he was finishing races. Matt and his team beat everyone every single week and imo deserved their Cup. Newman took a 16th place season, avoided the playoff carnage with some luck and guile and almost won a championship. They're not the same. Now would I like my champion to have a few more wins, sure... institute a premium on winning races with more points geared to that. Its a simple fix.
Sure, agreed. Prefer full season championship too, but I actually have come around on the playoffs. Dislike “win and you’re in” along with also the championship finale. The Chase top 10 in points along with 11th and 12th as the “WildCards” was a fine compromise as eliminations happened organically on their own, I’d even settle going back to that.
Blaney was the first driver to win from beyond the top six seeds since playoff points were implemented, and even that required wins in two of the first three rounds, so they’ve made the format much more palatable. Quite frankly, it rewards regular season performance better than a good number of the other major American sports do at the moment. Still not ideal, but they eliminated the total lottery aspect that existed from 2014-2016. Newman shouldn’t have even sniffed the ‘14 championship.
I think Matt would’ve been fine since bringing the car home inside the top 5-10 range and not DNFing still matters a lot towards the regular season. Reddick and Elliott are sitting 2nd and 3rd with one win each, but Reddick has more Top 10s than anyone and they each have fewer DNFs than anyone else. If Kenseth would’ve struggled with anything that year in this format it would’ve been in the round of 8 or the championship race, where you’re really pushed to win.
Do you expect this discussion to result in changes to the playoff format?
So you are trying to say that 4 cars with varying records racing in the last race for the championship isn't as much of a lottery than the lottery it is?
