Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

1. Star power
An aspect of this that wasn't mentioned is by focusing on either the cutoff drivers or final four comes at the expense of attention to the remaining drivers. Every single one of the other 20+ drivers has a fan base and sponsors, even Cody Ware and Cole Custer. They may not be running for a title in the last ten races but they're still racing for wins and final points position. You couldn't tell that from the TV coverage, which often overlooks some outstanding performances to focus on a minority of the racers. Just look at this past weekend. Anytime in the first 26 races, SVG's performance on an oval would have led the coverage of the first stage.

2. Devaluing the regular season
5. Simplification
Also unmentioned is how the current system limits advancement for the non-playoff drivers. A One-Win Wonder guarantees a final season standing of no worse than 16th. No way Berry's performance in the first round would merit him finishing that high. No matter how well those drivers outside the playoffs performed before the end of the regular season, or how well they perform during the final ten races, they mathematically can't advance beyond 17th.

The current system also locks playoff drivers in at their last round. Take SVG again. Say his oval performance at Loudon wasn't a fluke, and he cranks out top ten finishes for the next six races. Doesn't matter, he can't improve beyond 13th. Try explaining why that is to casual sports fans.
 
Its just crazy that like 4 days ago Jeff Burton's Sugar Daddy, NBC decided "They did not want to be a part of the decision for the new playoff format an NASCAR can do what is best for the sport "..... and now we're here. Leads me to believe NBC was the hurdle to jump this entire time.
 
I see some are sad reacting to my post, so understand that like, I don’t want NASCAR to get embarrassing ratings. But unfortunately, I think they deserve it and they brought it on themselves. 🤷‍♀️
 
I see some are sad reacting to my post, so understand that like, I don’t want NASCAR to get embarrassing ratings. But unfortunately, I think they deserve it and they brought it on themselves. 🤷‍♀️
NASCAR gets the same check from NBC regardless.

Regardless of what's been repeated, some of us still think / believe NBC's backing is a big reason why the playoffs persist. If that's the case, the network has earned the decline.

If NBC was the only entity damaged by lower ratings, I'd back your play. But TV visibility is one factor in how much money teams can get from their individual sponsors. If nobody's watching the rolling billboards, teams can't negotiate for as much.
 
The ratings on Fox and NBC were good. The ratings on FS1, TNT, and USA are down. USA keeps going down. I still find it hard to believe that many people have cut cable where they don't get those channels.

Before 2004, each race was its own deal, even the end of the season races. They were celebrated as another chance for drivers to get a win and for the few to position themselves to possibly get a championship. Now, each race during the last 10 are all about the championship and who's in or out after each round. The race wins don't seem to matter as much except for locking a driver into the next round. And like someone else said, unless a Cole Custer or a Zane Smith is running up front, you don't hear squat about those drivers.
 
Being a bit of the odd man out and being an old school guy, I find it interesting that my preference is towards a playoff and not a season long champion. The real test of a team is how they perform under pressure, not just points racing for 36 weeks, see Matt Kenseth, who in 2003 won one race and it was the third race of the season. What I enjoy is seeing athletes and teams rise up when the money is on the line. I do agree that the playoffs need to change and the "final four" shootout for one race is "stupid."
 
I dont think they'll actually switch to a Full Season system. Ill be shocked, like utterly shocked if it happens. Just seems like a lot of indecision from the NASCAR honchos leaking out as they stare into the abyss. My money would be on an OG Chase Format tweaked more for wins but bringing in the first 26 races more into play via playoff points or something of that ilk. Top 10 plus 2 wildcards and abolish "Win and you're In." Pandora's box was opened back in 2004 when the first points reset, The Chase happened. I just have a hard time believing they'll switch back totally.
 
An aspect of this that wasn't mentioned is by focusing on either the cutoff drivers or final four comes at the expense of attention to the remaining drivers. Every single one of the other 20+ drivers has a fan base and sponsors, even Cody Ware and Cole Custer. They may not be running for a title in the last ten races but they're still racing for wins and final points position. You couldn't tell that from the TV coverage, which often overlooks some outstanding performances to focus on a minority of the racers. Just look at this past weekend. Anytime in the first 26 races, SVG's performance on an oval would have led the coverage of the first stage.



Also unmentioned is how the current system limits advancement for the non-playoff drivers. A One-Win Wonder guarantees a final season standing of no worse than 16th. No way Berry's performance in the first round would merit him finishing that high. No matter how well those drivers outside the playoffs performed before the end of the regular season, or how well they perform during the final ten races, they mathematically can't advance beyond 17th.

The current system also locks playoff drivers in at their last round. Take SVG again. Say his oval performance at Loudon wasn't a fluke, and he cranks out top ten finishes for the next six races. Doesn't matter, he can't improve beyond 13th. Try explaining why that is to casual sports fans.
Also it's forgetting the fans of drivers when the drivers have a ceiling and can't go any higher. There is a lot of racing left when they do the fudge up the points thing and that takes the wind out of not only the drivers but the fans of them. .
 
The real test of a team is how they perform under pressure, not just points racing for 36 weeks, see Matt Kenseth, who in 2003 won one race and it was the third race of the season.
A 'Total Points' system puts the pressure on every week. Consistently knocking out 11 top five and 25 top ten finishes is performing under pressure.
 
I’m honestly shocked we’ve even gotten this far down the road towards a potential full-season championship again. It just never felt possible again. Not counting chickens until they hatch, but it’s great to hear it legitimately building momentum. I don’t think it would be a cure-all for the sport’s woes, but it would go a long way towards reestablishing sporting integrity and credibility, and that is not insignificant.
 
They’re panicking over the disgusting ratings the second half of this year. Good.
Football sucks up most of the oxygen in the room come September, but it’s hard not to look at the recent viewership figures year-over-year and think there isn’t some degree of playoff fatigue. It seems that was the catalyst for NBC to throw their hands up in the air and tell NASCAR to figure it out amongst themselves.
 
Mikey got a community note lmao.

No, Michael; many of them do not. Many are judged; maybe NASCAR should look into that? Those that do have playoffs usually compete with only two teams or participants in each competition.

TL;DNR - Mikey is an ignorant shill. .
 
Holy.Crap. It really seems the full season system is gaining steam here


And per Jeff Gluck of The Athletic


“When NASCAR first convened a committee in February to gather feedback on the future of its championship format, only one person advocated for eliminating NASCAR’s playoff system altogether.

But in the most recent meeting last week, numerous influential committee members spoke on behalf of scrapping the playoffs and returning to the full-season points format NASCAR used until 2003, which crowned a champion simply by total points accrued over the entire schedule of races.

In 2004, in an effort to infuse more fan interest in the final races of the season, NASCAR created the “Chase” format. After 26 races, the top drivers qualified for a 10-race showdown, points were reset, and the eventual champion was the driver from that group who topped the standings over those races.

The format was tweaked over the years and then overhauled again in 2014, when NASCAR moved to its current format — a 16-driver playoff over the final 10 races, with drivers eliminated at three different cutoff points before a final race between the four remaining drivers, top finisher takes all.

NASCAR is now seriously weighing the possibility of drastically overhauling the playoffs or doing away with them altogether. A modified playoff system, in which the most criticized elements of the current format are tweaked, may still win out. Yet the mere chance of going back to a 36-race schedule determining the series champion — a scenario which seemed borderline impossible seven months ago — marks a dizzying turnaround that speaks to a crossroads for stock car racing.

If NASCAR did opt for a return to the way its champion was decided for most of its history, the choice would be driven by a variety of reasons.

Here are five of them.

1. Star power​

One of the biggest issues in today’s NASCAR is the lack of major names who can transcend stock car racing and reach the general sports fan. Today’s NASCAR lacks a Jeff Gordon or Dale Earnhardt Jr., who would be famous enough to host “Saturday Night Live” (as Gordon once did) or draw large numbers of viewers who just want to watch them race.

Part of that is a playoff format that currently does not elevate greatness. The championship is currently decided by a series of short rounds and eliminations, which are intended to reset the field and prevent one driver from running away with the title. But the playoffs often do not focus on the best drivers, let alone reward them.

For example: As the regular season winds down, most of the storylines are focused on which mid-pack drivers will qualify for the 16-driver field — thus emphasizing non-winning drivers who might be outside the top 10 in the point standings.

Then, in the Round 1 elimination race, all of the TV coverage concerns which of the bottom drivers will get cut — again putting the spotlight not on the stars, but on the lesser-contending drivers barely trying to keep their longshot hopes alive.

By the time the playoffs get cut to eight drivers — perhaps the bulk of the true contenders — there are only four races left in the year, and NASCAR is racing against NFL Sundays on each occasion.

In a potential full-season format, the focus would be on a handful of drivers throughout the summer and fall. They would be talked about and elevated among fans’ consciousness, potentially helping to grow their brands and star power over time.

Currently, repeat winners in the regular season — victories which don’t affect the playoff picture — get largely overlooked or brushed past compared to when a new winner qualifies for the playoff field. In a 36-race system, those repeat wins would mean extending a lead or closing a gap to the championship leader, which would call more attention to the elite drivers.

2. Devaluing the regular season​

Drivers and teams lack the incentive to care about each race in the regular season.

Yes, there’s a chance they could win. And there’s a chance they could collect points to use during the playoffs. But with the win-and-in system, all drivers know it only takes one victory in 26 races to qualify for championship eligibility.

Let’s say a driver wrecks in the Daytona 500 and then blows an engine in the Las Vegas spring race. Are they going to be devastated? No, because all that really matters is making it through the playoff rounds in the fall.

If there were a full-season format where each of the 36 races were weighted equally, championship-contending drivers could never let up. They would have to maximize every finish and treat races in March, April and May as important as those in September, October and November. Bad finishes would represent a points hole from which drivers might become desperate to emerge.

NASCAR is at its best when it has consistency in storylines from week to week, the rolling “soap opera on wheels” which gives fans a thread to follow and a reason to tune in. That could build viewership habits; right now, it’s at times hard to identify the true contenders and rivalries because it’s constantly shifting with the roller coaster format.

For example: Denny Hamlin and Kyle Larson might be two of the top favorites for this year’s championship — but we won’t know that yet until the final weeks, if not the season finale itself. So while they’re both generally trying to advance, neither driver is necessarily trying to directly outperform the other — which would change if they were pitted against each other as two of the remaining title contenders in a full-season system.

3. Motorsports are not other sports​

One core problem with any “playoff” in racing is the difference between motorsports and “stick and ball” sports. The reasons are the same for why other racing series like IndyCar and Formula One (which has seen explosive growth without any sort of playoff format) have never strayed from a full-season points format.

First, racing is not a one-on-one competition. In NASCAR’s championship race between four drivers, there are 32 other cars on the track who could do unpredictable things — cause a crash, have a mechanical failure or accidentally drift up the track in front of another car. Having the champion of the longest season in sports potentially determined by a backmarker driver who messes up seems, to many fans, an unreliable method that can cheapen the outcome.

Second, no two racetracks are the same. Whether it’s size, shape, banking or grip level of the asphalt, various aspects of racetracks suit different drivers and teams’ strengths and represent weaknesses for others. By nature, focusing on one track or even a few races to determine the championship doesn’t truly reflect the best driver of the season.

Similarly, the field can be skewed by a driver who somewhat randomly wins a superspeedway race or one who is an ace at a certain type of track — say, Shane van Gisbergen on road courses — which earns spots over the season’s most consistent performers. This year, van Gisbergen won four races on road courses and entered the playoffs as the No. 4 seed, only to get quickly eliminated in Round 1 after he underperformed on three oval tracks.

4. The playoffs haven’t worked​

The current system was designed to increase drama and entertainment, and it arguably achieved that. Drivers were forced into must-win situations and sometimes excelled with their backs against the wall in heroic moments.

But that didn’t translate into viewership. It would be one thing if more people tuned in to watch the playoffs, but Sunday’s Round 2 opener at New Hampshire drew a paltry 1.29 million viewers; 20 years ago, the New Hampshire playoff race drew 5.5 million viewers.

In fact, none of the four playoff races this season has touched 2 million viewers.

So if the current system isn’t generating the intended audience — while also raising questions and criticism about its credibility — then why keep it?

At the same time, there’s a good chance that when fans see the best driver of the season rewarded for excellence and drivers know they won’t get tripped up by a format they perceive to be gimmicky at times, the “drama” will come from naturally unfolding situations. Drivers will still need to be excellent and not merely average to win a season-long championship.

5. Simplification​

The champion in a full-season format is determined like this: Whoever collects the most points wins.

That’s it. There’s no debate over which drivers deserve to qualify for the playoffs (the current “win-and-in” system has caused headaches at times), there’s no discussion of the confusing “playoff points” (separate from the regular points) earned for stage wins or race victories.

And most importantly, there’s certainly no talk of whether the eventual champion was worthy of his title.

The drawbacks include that if one driver has a particularly dominant season and runs away with the championship, it would render the final races largely moot. But in the era of NASCAR’s Next Gen car — which is a spec vehicle, requiring teams to use identical parts from a single supplier — teams cannot build their way to an advantage like in previous generations. By nature, it should be relatively close; there are currently seven drivers within 115 points for the mythical full-season title with six races remaining. Earlier this season, Chase Elliott overcame a 112-point deficit and went from fifth to first in just six races.

By the way, if someone did run away with the title and clinch early — wouldn’t that driver deserve it? While former NASCAR CEO Brian France often spoke of his desire for “Game 7 moments,” that overlooks the fact Game 7s are special because they don’t happen every time. Some series result in one-sided sweeps; others are classics.

The classics cannot be forced and must happen organically, which is something NASCAR’s current format does not allow. When the points are reset four times and the remaining drivers have a one-race playoff, it waters down greatness.

There might be some years when one athlete is dominant, but that’s sports. And that also happens to be how legends are made.
This would make me so happy. But I will not believe it until it is official.
 
Mikey got a community note lmao.

Boom lol
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What if Nascar is just saying they are condsidering a 36 race point system, knowing it will not happen, just to mess with Mark Martin
 
I refuse to be Charlie Brown kicking the football. If the Tuesday after the finale they announce it I am 100% back in. Not a moment sooner.
 
If Jeff Gluck and Adam Stern are talking about it, then there definitely weight to it.

To really send the message, I hope that every remaining race this year gets under 1.5m viewers and I’d especially love if one dropped under 1M (would likely be the Roval). Really drill the point into their heads.
I don’t. Guys a playoff format is not driving these low ratings, CFB and the NFL are just sucking the air out of everything. The NFL is actually up 10% this year averaging 20.5M. Ohio State/Texas drew 17M. I’m shocked there’s 1M to watch NASCAR on cable broadcasts
 
I don’t. Guys a playoff format is not driving these low ratings, CFB and the NFL are just sucking the air out of everything. The NFL is actually up 10% this year averaging 20.5M. Ohio State/Texas drew 17M. I’m shocked there’s 1M to watch NASCAR on cable broadcasts
The same factors juicing football viewership so far this year (Big Data and expansion to 100% market coverage of out of home viewing measurement) apply equally to NASCAR broadcasts.
 
I don’t. Guys a playoff format is not driving these low ratings, CFB and the NFL are just sucking the air out of everything. The NFL is actually up 10% this year averaging 20.5M. Ohio State/Texas drew 17M. I’m shocked there’s 1M to watch NASCAR on cable broadcasts
Pretty sure this bright idea to have Nascar playoffs was somehow supposed to help in that decline but is proving to be a failure because it is losing the core fans of the sport that would rather watch racing than a stick and ball/game show metamorphic mess of a race. Complete with screaming gerbils.
 
One of the two biggest dirt late model series going put in their own version of a playoff a couple of years ago. One driver dominated that season and was clearly the best until they got to the last race with a winner-take-all format. The track was rough and that driver broke something in the suspension. They fixed the car but he was uncompetitive. Needless to say, he lost the championship. Fans were mad. The series modified it a bit to make it a four-race format. Last year was how it should have went. This year, two of the four drivers are clearly the best two. Fans have already said they'd start boycotting if one of the lower two wins it. People don't like gimmicks. I feel the same way about Logano last year. He was eliminated but for a dumb penalty by Bowman after the Roval. He had no business being the champion.
 
Every point system is a gimmick to some degree. Just give me a system that is internally consistent. I prefer a full season format but I don’t mind playoffs. I like seeing people try to game the system. Chad Knaus and Jimmie Johnson did it for years with the Chase.
 
More on the subject...

>>https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mo...S&cvid=68d63b8ac9b4498794425a2cad440623&ei=11<<

...So, how do you change that with the NASCAR Playoffs or lack thereof? You could argue that the sport needs its own identity, and playoffs are not it. Could a 36-race schedule be unique enough to keep fans interested and engaged? Does NASCAR have to shorten its season up, maybe run midweek races to keep it at 36, but avoid competing with football season as much?

There are many ways for the NASCAR Playoffs to change. We should all expect an expanded championship round with new rules around points, advancing, and everything else. But there is still a spectre haunting the sport that is the 36-race format.<<
 
One of the two biggest dirt late model series going put in their own version of a playoff a couple of years ago. One driver dominated that season and was clearly the best until they got to the last race with a winner-take-all format. The track was rough and that driver broke something in the suspension. They fixed the car but he was uncompetitive. Needless to say, he lost the championship. Fans were mad. The series modified it a bit to make it a four-race format. Last year was how it should have went. This year, two of the four drivers are clearly the best two. Fans have already said they'd start boycotting if one of the lower two wins it. People don't like gimmicks. I feel the same way about Logano last year. He was eliminated but for a dumb penalty by Bowman after the Roval. He had no business being the champion.
RTJ losing the Lucas Oil LM title in that disaster of a finale literally made me decide late model racing wasn't for me even if I loved the idea of what RTJ represents (a guy who came up from NOTHING to the top of his discipline). He managed to finish in 6th or 7th that race because that's how many cars were left on track. It would be like NASCAR deciding the title in a Homestead rain race (yes, I know what I just typed).
 
No sport televised in the United States is going to compete head-to-head with the NFL, period. To think otherwise is naive at best and more likely a full-blown delusion. Right or wrong, like it or not, accept the reality and quit wasting resources on the impossible.
Heck I think Europe should even be a bit worried. These international games are helping eat into soccer a bit as well.

Pretty sure this bright idea to have Nascar playoffs was somehow supposed to help in that decline but is proving to be a failure because it is losing the core fans of the sport that would rather watch racing than a stick and ball/game show metamorphic mess of a race. Complete with screaming gerbils.

To be honest though I’m not mad about the standings. To me guys like Larson and Bell are being rewarded for their early season success. Kansas was an absolute banger as well
 
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