Oh I know what you are trying to say, but it wasn't that popular, but yeah less gimmicky. Compromise sucks IMO.
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I don’t know who 'they' are, but I'm not sure it's worth bothering to find them.
They find you and hope you aren't aware of what they are doing. X can be a very dirty place, facebook also. They won't let me on facebook, I have some software that won't let them mine my data or track me so the threw me off lol.
I have always avoided the general purpose social sites anyway.
The easy ones are like There are 5 ways to avoid this... and after you scroll down three or four tiles of info bingo there is the product they are selling. Here is one on X. On X you can scroll down and three tiles down is the product that burns fat lol.
A point about not being like other sports. Instead of having a famous race car driver or somebody in the racing business involved like being the starter or the Grand Marshall, or getting a pre race interview about what they do, instead the networks so many times feature a stick and ball player. They could have a short interview with the tire people, or some of the part manufacturers, fuel people, safer barrier, a jet dryer segment, tons of stuff that race fans would be interested in. Nope, three or four guys in a suit standing there Bull shi**ing saying stuff we already know. Playoffs, cut lines, rinse and repeat.
Is this word salad? or can somebody decipher this?
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I was just about to post this! It was more or less “We will continue to produce the nascar Playoff races.” Network tv will be the biggest hurdle to clear if they ever wanted to change back.
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I would definitely take the 10 races over the 1 race format if I had to pick between just them two. Surely if it means another 2011 season. Anything post 2004, that's the best battle. But yeah between them all, give me 36 races.
That's the problem. I interpret it as saying we already know what Nascar is going to do because Nascar's vision is really our vision, so all of you people go pound sand.
Yeah, I learned long ago to bypass anything with a number in the title.
As a network admin, I developed an overly sensitive approach to new Internet genres as they emerged. Personal sites, blogs, tweets, general purpose socials, content sharing, etc. I'm probably so overly sensitive that I'm missing out on content I might benefit from. On the other hand, I haven't been burned yet (that I know of).
That's one of the good things about endurance racing broadcasts. At the track, shifting viewing positions and wandering the pits are common practices during the race. The fan base understands we're not going to be able to see everything done by every driver over a twisty track. So the coverage sometimes trades on-track coverage for extended interviews with owners, crew, industry bosses, drivers who aren't in the car, etc. Lately that's often done side-by-side so viewers can have their cake and eat it.
Hopefully those aren't the only two choices.
I always thought ten races was WAY too long. The playoff is almost 40% as long as the season. Why was ten the magic number in the first place? Because it's nice and round and sounds good? Five or six are plenty and the shorter the playoff season, the easier it is to exclude the crap shoot that is Talladega.
As to how many drivers, take the approach golf takes to cutting players after the first two days of a tournament - a fixed minimum number PLUS anyone tied with that last advancing player. Let's say NASCAR decides the top 5 will advance every season. Add in anyone within a fixed percentage of the leader or within a set number of points. For example, let's say anyone within 150 points or 15% of the points leader at the end of the regular season, regardless of wins. Currently, the cut would be the top nine drivers behind Chase Elliott. That would give the Gerbils their cut line to babble about while consistency would be better rewarded.
That's the problem. I interpret it as saying we already know what Nascar is going to do because Nascar's vision is really our vision, so all of you people go pound sand.
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Um, wasn't this a poll conducted by Mark Martin? So this poll reflects the opinions of fans that follow Mark Martin, not a statistical sampling of "NASCAR Fans."
Those that follow Mark Martin are probably more old school fans.
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A few years back I looked at this. One reason is take a team with four drivers and one in the playoffs, then there are 3 drivers that will likely not race hard to beat their teammate. So when you have Hendrick, Gibbs and Penske in the final that's about a third of the field that will back off. Then throw in any "affiliate" teams like the Wood Brothers and the traditional backmarkers that don't have a chance, there isn't much of a field to be racing for the win.
So it's just another version of non-playoff teams (and manufacturers?) manipulating their performance for the benefit of the finalists. Ah, silly naive me.
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Jeff Gluck did a poll with the same results. It’s not just old school fans. I just turned 30 and I f***** hate this format. I know several people my age that used to watch NASCAR that don’t anymore because it’s too gimmicky and too hard to follow casually anymore.
An hour and fifteen minutes with a lot of it is Mark Martin talking about insider committee thoughts about the playoff system.
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And NASCAR has previously referenced his “Was it a good race?” poll in the feedback they consider, so they obviously value his follower base to a good extent.
Short excerpt from the clip above.
More Mark Martin's opinions
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People who are such diehard fans that they follow Mark Martin or Jeff Gluck definitely lean old school.
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Not disagreeing with what you said, but these two polls would not be indicative of a sampling of NASCAR fans. Those that follow Martin or Gluck are much more invested in the sport.
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Also reading between the lines sounds like they do still expect to keep "playoff races" to be able to produce but don't want to take blame for it.
Pod cast version.
Youtube version.
Youtube version.
Considering all of the tweaks after tweaks, how could one think any differently.
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I know the current driver on the playoff "committee" who likes the current format and doesn't want it to change
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I mean its not hard committee. (Per the Athletic Article)
• Figuring out a way to make every race matter again. Once a driver has already locked into the playoffs, teams and manufacturers revealed they shift their best equipment (cars and engines) to other drivers who have not won a race yet. That means an early-season victory can actually result in a driver being penalized until all of his teammates win, since the goal for organizations is to qualify as many drivers into the playoff field as possible. In turn, that erodes weekly competition by making some of the midseason races feel like filler events and hurts NASCAR’s ability to sell fans on the importance of every race.
I mean wouldnt 34 points paying races that are a season long points format make every race matter?
Per The Athletic:
"Though it’s unclear what NBC wants, going away from playoffs and eliminations is likely not on the list. Eliminations give something for TV to promote, and flashing the live points in the final laps of an elimination race is a powerful draw to retain viewers."
Barf. The bolded part keeps Jeff Burton dutifully employed. (!!!PLAYOFF POINTS!!! POINTS AS THEY RUN!!!"
• Figuring out a way to make every race matter again. Once a driver has already locked into the playoffs, teams and manufacturers revealed they shift their best equipment (cars and engines) to other drivers who have not won a race yet. That means an early-season victory can actually result in a driver being penalized until all of his teammates win, since the goal for organizations is to qualify as many drivers into the playoff field as possible. In turn, that erodes weekly competition by making some of the midseason races feel like filler events and hurts NASCAR’s ability to sell fans on the importance of every race.
I mean wouldnt 34 points paying races that are a season long points format make every race matter?
Per The Athletic:
"Though it’s unclear what NBC wants, going away from playoffs and eliminations is likely not on the list. Eliminations give something for TV to promote, and flashing the live points in the final laps of an elimination race is a powerful draw to retain viewers."
Barf. The bolded part keeps Jeff Burton dutifully employed. (!!!PLAYOFF POINTS!!! POINTS AS THEY RUN!!!"
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and once more, per The Athletic:
"Certainly, an argument can be made that NBC has too much power in this conversation, and that the broadcast partner shouldn’t be dictating how a sport’s championship is decided. Then again, NASCAR’s four Cup Series TV partners are paying a combined $1.1 billion per year over the next seven years, and executives don’t feel comfortable changing the very thing NBC signed up to televise without giving the network a chance to weigh in."
and that in of itself is why this format will never change. NASCAR took that oh so sweet TV money and this is where we are at. I dont ever see Full Season Points coming back.
"Certainly, an argument can be made that NBC has too much power in this conversation, and that the broadcast partner shouldn’t be dictating how a sport’s championship is decided. Then again, NASCAR’s four Cup Series TV partners are paying a combined $1.1 billion per year over the next seven years, and executives don’t feel comfortable changing the very thing NBC signed up to televise without giving the network a chance to weigh in."
and that in of itself is why this format will never change. NASCAR took that oh so sweet TV money and this is where we are at. I dont ever see Full Season Points coming back.
The "playoffs" should start with the first race of the season. It's that simple. Every race matters.