Ethanol Fuel

How do you feel about NASCAR using Ethanol?

  • I am in favor of it because Ethanol is the fuel of the future.

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • I dislike it and I think that corn-based Ethanol is a waste.

    Votes: 13 61.9%

  • It's OK, as long as it does not impact racing.

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • It does not matter to me one way or another.

    Votes: 6 28.6%
  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .
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robbybee

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What is your opinion of NASCAR's decision to use an Ethanol Blend as fuel?

There are many factors to consider such as the political, social and economic impacts that producing Ethanol have on America.

I have read studies which indicate that it takes more energy to create a gallon of Ethanol than can be derived from burning a gallon of Ethanol.

I am also concerned by the huge subsidies (taxpayer dollars) that the Federal Government gives to corporate (and private) farmers to grow corn for fuel.

I am also aware of the fact that growing corn depletes soil nutrients very quickly and that the land used to produce fuel corn could be used to grow other crops that would be more beneficial for hungry Americans.

I don't feel that corn-based Ethanol is a viable substitute for fossil fuel.

I am interested in your opinions on this topic! Thanks for playing.
 
It's a lame attempt on NASCARs part in fooling the American public that they are all about the GREEN movement. Hypocrites. You can't say you care about the environment on one hand then run a racing series where the cars get 2 miles per gallon and you see fuel get spilled all over the place during the race on every pit stop. Personally I don't care about all that stuff because I believe ethanol is a joke, it's worse for you cars engine, it get's worse fuel mileage and instead of draining the oil reserves it's a matter of time (maybe not our lifetime) before it's tapping into food supplies to make this horrible ****. It's a load of crap.
 
I agree Lee. Using corn is just putting extra money in corn growers pockets. It's HUGELY innefficient to use corn.

GRASS is good.
 
All I know is that channeling corn to fuel has raised the costs of groceries. What we may save in fuel costs is less than half of what we lose in food costs.
 
I still beleive it would be much easier and cost effective to make gas from beans.
 
Nope!!

It cannot be the fuel of the future!! Cause it takes MORE ENERGY to plant, grow, harvest, refine and deliver than it has in it!! It is a lose-lose all the way around.
Simply said it is totally a payoff to large donors.
Betsy:rolleyes:
 
Thanks to all who gave their input on this!

I think that it is an interesting topic and it seems that most of you agree that using Ethanol is of no value.

I am a proud member of the NASCAR Fan Council and I receive a survey every week. I will include these unscientific findings in my reply after the poll closes on 8/23.
 
Let me summarize it this way.

James Monroe, killerrons.com, talking to dad:

I know you have a wheel-standing problem now, but if you switch over from gas, two things will happen:

1) You will have a massive increase in torque down low, something you're not already lacking
2) You will be burning twice the amount of fuel, so your nose will be a couple pounds lighter through the lights, so it might get sketchy at the top end with more power and less nose weight
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Betsy said:
It cannot be the fuel of the future!! Cause it takes MORE ENERGY to plant, grow, harvest, refine and deliver than it has in it!! It is a lose-lose all the way around.
Simply said it is totally a payoff to large donors.
Betsy:rolleyes:
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It's all political, a joke, and Nascar bought into it as PR move.
 
Mopardh9 said:
It's all political, a joke, and Nascar bought into it as PR move.
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Yes Sir, and GM was forced into supporting it by their current owners ( well the Gov actually only owns a little less tha 50% of GM now :mad: ) bad move.

love the sights, sounds and smells of it in a Real Race Car though.....Sprints & Modifieds, the blend the Cup cars run just isnt the same.
 
FlFlash said:
Yes Sir, and GM was forced into supporting it by their current owners ( well the Gov actually only owns a little less tha 50% of GM now :mad: ) bad move.

love the sights, sounds and smells of it in a Real Race Car though.....Sprints & Modifieds, the blend the Cup cars run just isnt the same.
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Why do you say GM was forced? They started their flex-fuel initiative back in 2006, which is why 50% of flex-fuel vehicles on Americas roads are GM built.
 
I hate to get into politics,

The Busch administration with information from the Renewable Fuels Association was a huge proponent of E85 ethanol beleiving that it would help America dependence on foreign oil, expand the market for U.S. crops and create jobs in agriculture and refining in addition to environmental benefits.
U.S. Department of Energy said vehicles fueled with E85 ethanol have lower carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide emissions than conventional gasoline or diesel vehicles . They spent alot to develop infrastructure and refinerys, spent Huge amounts on Farm Subsidies.
In 2006 ethanol blenders were handed $2,500 million in subsidies while the Department of Energy awarded $385 million spread over four to six years to help build cellulose ethanol plants.
Prior to this time ( Ethonal fuel has been around for awhile ) both GM and Ford ran cost analysis on the E85 ethanol and came to the conclusion that it Was Not a viable alternative BUTT with the approaching increased CAFE and Emission standards going into effect for cars and light trucks in 2006 and the Goverment giving Extra Credit so to speak, both put Flex Fuel Vehicles on the market.
After several outside studies and some Real World time it's been proven that GM and Fords original analysis was correct. Notice they have Both quit pushing the concept and are developing alternatives.
The current Gverment dollar ( Your Tax Dollar ) subsidies spent on ethonal fuel total over 11.6 Billion in incentives/taxes, etc.
All this for a fuel that gives you 25-30% fewer mpg and maybe 10% less emissions at your tailpipe.

I wont even go into the Overall increased carbon footprint caused by the growing and refining of E85 fuel.

You might say I'm against E85, I'm not I just feel it's the Wrong Direction to travel.
 
FlFlash said:
I hate to get into politics,



You might say I'm against E85, I'm not I just feel it's the Wrong Direction to travel.
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Thank's. I didn't know all that.

I despise what our gov't does to appease special interest and get a ton of money dumped into some congressional district at our expense.
 
They could could run ethanol,avgas, jim beam doesnt worry me so long as the racin's good
 
Maybe not jim beam seeing the amount split in pit stops might upset alot of ppl
 
Aussie Fordstar said:
Maybe not jim beam seeing the amount split in pit stops might upset alot of ppl
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robbybee said:
Yeah, don't put no sippin' whiskey in MY tank!! And most certainly, don't pour it on the ground! :D
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Whoa, Whoa, Stop ya'll are confusing Ethonal, Methonal and Alcohol!!!

Let's get it Right:

Methonal makes the Racecar go!

Ethonal makes the grocery getter go!

and Alcohol makes Life Entertaining!
 
FlFlash said:
Whoa, Whoa, Stop ya'll are confusing Ethonal, Methonal and Alcohol!!!

Let's get it Right:

Methonal makes the Racecar go!

Ethonal makes the grocery getter go!

and Alcohol makes Life Entertaining!
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Thanks for clearing that up! LOLOL
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
How many races this year have come down to fuel? F it. Boring.
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Why is that? Ain't strategy always been a part of winning races?
Do y'all think that Ethanol Blend Fuel is a factor in the number of fuel mileage races in 2011?
 
robbybee said:
Why is that? Ain't strategy always been a part of winning races?
Do y'all think that Ethanol Blend Fuel is a factor in the number of fuel mileage races in 2011?
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Yes but only because NASCAR went to ethanol which gets less fuel mieage without increaseing the size of the fuel tanks that they reduced a couple years ago. If we still had 22 gallon tanks there would fewer fuel/pit stops and less fuel mileage strategy being played out at some of the tracks that have fewer cautions.
It seems like overall we've had less cautions this year though? Or maybe it's just all the cautions are coming late in the races? It's very obvious there's alot more "riding around" going on during the first half of the races anymore I'm not sure of the reason though?
Could be just me :cool:
 
We have a station close by that sells unleaded, premium, E15, E30, E85...You should see how many people put the wrong gas in the tanks...Then the best part is watching pople jocky around the pumps trying to get the the unleaded pumps (only 4 of them)....It's a complete circus.
 
I stopped at a station a while back and there were signs on the pumps reading "Fuel May Contain Ethanol"

I asked the attendant how I would know whether the fuel actually did contain ethanol and he told me "It does." I asked him why the sign said that it MAY contain ethanol and he just gave me the stink-eye.

I chose to roll on to the next station...
 
robbybee said:
I stopped at a station a while back and there were signs on the pumps reading "Fuel May Contain Ethanol"

I asked the attendant how I would know whether the fuel actually did contain ethanol and he told me "It does." I asked him why the sign said that it MAY contain ethanol and he just gave me the stink-eye.

I chose to roll on to the next station...
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"most" stations contain 10% nowadays
If you want pure gas try here for a list
http://pure-gas.org/
 
robbybee said:
Why is that? Ain't strategy always been a part of winning races?
Do y'all think that Ethanol Blend Fuel is a factor in the number of fuel mileage races in 2011?
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Yes, I do think that's why fuel mileage has been such a large factor in all three divisions.

It's part of racing, but all of a sudden, the 3-4 fuel mileage races we've had per year have suddenly become an every week thing.
 
Bucky Badger said:
We have a station close by that sells unleaded, premium, E15, E30, E85...You should see how many people put the wrong gas in the tanks...Then the best part is watching pople jocky around the pumps trying to get the the unleaded pumps (only 4 of them)....It's a complete circus.
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The Wawa gas stations here are a circus in general.
 
Federal law states fuel sold under the name Gasoline may have Up To 10% Ethanol without posting it. I doubt you can buy any gas without ethanol in the continental U.S.A. unless you buy race gas marine gas or airport gas.
 
FlFlash said:
Federal law states fuel sold under the name Gasoline may have Up To 10% Ethanol without posting it. I doubt you can buy any gas without ethanol in the continental U.S.A. unless you buy race gas marine gas or airport gas.
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ummm, Did you even bother reading the link I gave with the PURE GASOLINE STATIONS????:rolleyes:
 
Thanks for that link, Bucky! Unfortunately there are none in SoCal...
 
LOL True Dat! I have a battery powered lawnmower! But I have a small yard...
 
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