Excellent article

reck said:
And I dont know if I'm Jimmie I may want to test the waters without good old Chad just so he can shut up all the haters.

Gordon proved all of his wrong when he went on to win his 4th with another CC.
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I respectfully disagree. As SpeedPagan alluded to, if I was Jimmie, I'd be trying to win as many championships with Chad as possible. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. F the haters. They're gonna hate regardless.
 
Gordon may have won a championship without Evernham but I bet he would have won like 3 more had they stayed together.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Earnhardt only won in 1990 because NASCAR bent Mark Martin over. Earnhardt only won in 1994 because Ernie Irvan was seriously injured in an accident. Earnhardt might not have won in 1993 if Alan Kulwiki and Davey Allison weren't killed. He might not have won a few in the 80s if Tim Richmond didn't have health problems.

This goes several ways. Fact is, Petty and Earnhardt both won seven championships and the records reflect that. And Jimmie Johnson has won five championships and the records reflect that. That's all that matters. The other 42 drivers know the rules. They have the same opportunities to win the title that Johnson has.
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Only won because Martin, and Irvan ran into problems? Thats a stretch.
We can speculate, but to say never in absolute terms is overplaying your hand.
 
WHy does he need to do better than Petty and Earnhardt to get props from people? I mean damn I think he's done enough to get props already... and I dont even like the guy.
 
Lazyking said:
Jimmie Johnson could win ten titles, that doesn't mean I have to consider him the best driver ever.
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Well I think you'd be in the minority in that regards.

SlicedBread22 said:
WHy does he need to do better than Petty and Earnhardt to get props from people? I mean damn I think he's done enough to get props already... and I dont even like the guy.
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Well that is true, I just want him to win as many Championships as possible while he still can. I think eight is within his grasp. It took Earnhardt Sr. 14 years to win his seven. It took Richard Petty 15 years to win his seven.

So far, in a span of seven years, Johnson has won his five. He still has eight more years to go.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Well I think you'd be in the minority in that regards.



Well that is true, I just want him to win as many Championships as possible while he still can. I think eight is within his grasp. It took Earnhardt Sr. 14 years to win his seven. It took Richard Petty 15 years to win his seven.

So far, in a span of seven years, Johnson has won his five. He still has eight more years to go.
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I think he will get 6.. maybe 7, not sure about 8.. but then again he seems to defy the expectations of everyone so who knows. Regardless.. I used to hate him.. among others.. Ive started to respect what he's done/doing. Still dont like him.. but damn can the man drive.
 
I think we all agree that Jimmie is the best among his peers over a period of time. Comparing him to Petty and Earnhardt gets muddy because they raced under several different rules. I don't know how many times NASCAR changed the scoring rules but you can apply any given rule set and end up with slightly different championship results. There is a thread in this forum comparing the driver points under three point systems and it shows the standings would be about the same. I think Jimmie deserves to be included with Petty and Earnhardt in any discussion argument about who's the best.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
WHy does he need to do better than Petty and Earnhardt to get props from people? I mean damn I think he's done enough to get props already... and I dont even like the guy.
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Did you even read the op from TRL?


This place really needs a face palm emote.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I just see no way to have the cars even.. they can change whatever they want in the setups but the guys with the money are going to find the advantages.. its inevitable..
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You want the teams to have more of a chance to adjust and tinker with their cars, not less. Creativity will make the sport better and the more the better the sport will grow.
 
Put'em all in one of these and turn'em loose.

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I have a new metric for measuring the quality of the race now. It's "Tire marks on the side of the leader's car" No marks probably means a boring race
 
SpeedPagan said:
Well I think you'd be in that regard/quote]


I dont really care. Someone can have more skill then Jimmie but not get the same oppurtunity. Plus, I feel like driving a race car now is a bit easier than it was in the past
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SlicedBread22 said:
Well obviously why else would I comment in here? lol Whats ur point?
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The article is about JJ not getting the props as potentially the best ever in nascar compared to Petty and Earnhardt.

Petty and Earnhardt are considered the best ever because they both have 7 championships.

JJ is getting close to their total championships, so of course the comparison is going to be made.

Hard to believe you don't get that.
 
gordonite said:
The article is about JJ not getting the props as potentially the best ever in nascar compared to Petty and Earnhardt.

Petty and Earnhardt are considered the best ever because they both have 7 championships.

JJ is getting close to their total championships, so of course the comparison is going to be made.

Hard to believe you don't get that.
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I still dont get where u got confused.. Im saying he SHOULD be getting props already.. Jeez get a grip I know you like to argue but I think were both saying the same thing here..
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I still dont get where u got confused.. Im saying he SHOULD be getting props already.. Jeez get a grip I know you like to argue but I think were both saying the same thing here..
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In what parallel universe does JJ not get props? Most nascar fans would agree he's one of the very best in the sport. FYI that IS getting props.

But the ARTICLE is asking why JJ isn't getting props as BEST EVER along with Petty and Earnhardt.

Nice reading comprehension. lol
 
Excerpts from discussions with others on what needs to be fixed:

The sport changed forever when we lost Dale Earnhardt Sr. How can the average blue-collar fan possibly identify with many of the current crop of wealthy groomed and trained what to memorize and say drivers? We're not really a car culture anymore and the demographic NASCAR needs is attention span challenged. How many of us really has four spare hours to watch 500 mile races on their weekends off nowadays? Races that are often predictable long strung out affairs with the guy out front driving away that if you miss one there will be another just like it next week. With current big screen surround sound TV why travel and sit in traffic when the best seat in the house is often in your house. The cars are too expensive at $200K a copy and rising, sponsors are getting near impossible to find at that cost level. The cars are too fast and too aero sensitive and cannot afford to touch, a small amount of damage in a critical area turns it into a lap car. NASCAR might study the 1976 Monte Carlo to learn why it possibly produced the best racing ever. Maybe it was not only the cars but the men who drove them or maybe it was simply the times. I tell you about the most excitement we have at a race now is when some redneck with an "8" tattoo lets go of his hotdog wrapper and it lands on the leader's grill and an army of highly paid team engineers with laptops start crunching numbers until it blows off. Good stuff!
 
Rusty34 said:
Excerpts from discussions with others on what needs to be fixed:

The sport changed forever when we lost Dale Earnhardt Sr. How can the average blue-collar fan possibly identify with many of the current crop of wealthy groomed and trained what to memorize and say drivers? We're not really a car culture anymore and the demographic NASCAR needs is attention span challenged. How many of us really has four spare hours to watch 500 mile races on their weekends off nowadays? Races that are often predictable long strung out affairs with the guy out front driving away that if you miss one there will be another just like it next week. With current big screen surround sound TV why travel and sit in traffic when the best seat in the house is often in your house. The cars are too expensive at $200K a copy and rising, sponsors are getting near impossible to find at that cost level. The cars are too fast and too aero sensitive and cannot afford to touch, a small amount of damage in a critical area turns it into a lap car. NASCAR might study the 1976 Monte Carlo to learn why it possibly produced the best racing ever. Maybe it was not only the cars but the men who drove them or maybe it was simply the times. I tell you about the most excitement we have at a race now is when some redneck with an "8" tattoo lets go of his hotdog wrapper and it lands on the leader's grill and an army of highly paid team engineers with laptops start crunching numbers until it blows off. Good stuff!
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This looks like a compendium of some of our better posts on here, you don't say whose comments they are. I agree with some of them and disagree with some of the others.
 
Actually the disparaging side of the comment was directed more toward the small army of engineers whose job it is to react to the errant wrapper. No disrespect meant to the loyal fans who have made it all possible for over 60 years and continue to support
 
Johali said:
This looks like a compendium of some of our better posts on here, you don't say whose comments they are. I agree with some of them and disagree with some of the others.
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Comments and opinions about it are pretty much the same all over which is why they seem familiar These came from co-workers, friends and family members
 
Rusty34 said:
Comments and opinions about it are pretty much the same all over which is why they seem familiar These came from co-workers, friends and family members
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As I said I disagree with parts of most of them and so do most of my friends and family, in other words we think it's too complicated to condense into a few sentences.
 
Rusty34 said:
Excerpts from discussions with others on what needs to be fixed:

The sport changed forever when we lost Dale Earnhardt Sr. How can the average blue-collar fan possibly identify with many of the current crop of wealthy groomed and trained what to memorize and say drivers? We're not really a car culture anymore and the demographic NASCAR needs is attention span challenged. How many of us really has four spare hours to watch 500 mile races on their weekends off nowadays? Races that are often predictable long strung out affairs with the guy out front driving away that if you miss one there will be another just like it next week. With current big screen surround sound TV why travel and sit in traffic when the best seat in the house is often in your house. The cars are too expensive at $200K a copy and rising, sponsors are getting near impossible to find at that cost level. The cars are too fast and too aero sensitive and cannot afford to touch, a small amount of damage in a critical area turns it into a lap car. NASCAR might study the 1976 Monte Carlo to learn why it possibly produced the best racing ever. Maybe it was not only the cars but the men who drove them or maybe it was simply the times. I tell you about the most excitement we have at a race now is when some redneck with an "8" tattoo lets go of his hotdog wrapper and it lands on the leader's grill and an army of highly paid team engineers with laptops start crunching numbers until it blows off. Good stuff!
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Bravo you nail it.nascar needs to go backwards.
 
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