Excuse me for a second, I'm going to go attend a funeral for journalism.

97forever said:
Journalistic license? What is a 'half-win'? Seriously,as I don't follow Indycar.
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Her only IndyCar win was at the race at Motegi, Japan (Honda's home track) on fuel milage and taking one fewer pit stop than everybody else. She was a non-factor the entire race and only led the last three laps.
 
KevinWI said:
Her only IndyCar win was at the race at Motegi, Japan (Honda's home track) on fuel milage and taking one fewer pit stop than everybody else. She was a non-factor the entire race and only led the last three laps.
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Not much different than Chase yesterday. Chase won because the experienced Sprint Cup series pit crew servicing his car didn't mess up on pit road in their 14 second pit stop while the other teams did and Chase was able to pass one car on the track with his brand new Hendrick Motorsports car and Hendrick Motorsports engine.

I like ARCA racing but there's a reason people don't put a lot of stock in ARCA wins (unless the latest "Second Coming" wins).
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Not much different than Chase yesterday. Chase won because the experienced Sprint Cup series pit crew servicing his car didn't mess up on pit road in their 14 second pit stop while the other teams did and Chase was able to pass one car on the track with his brand new Hendrick Motorsports car and Hendrick Motorsports engine.

I like ARCA racing but there's a reason people don't put a lot of stock in ARCA wins (unless the latest "Second Coming" wins).
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No, seriously, I get your point, even agree with aspects of it---from shoddy journalism to the much bigger issue of 'mega-money created superstars'...that's been a MO of HMS since Tim Richmond, and later during Rick's money laundering days. Take drivers, gimmick them up, and literally mega-spend them into superstars.



Our motorsports 'journalist' should have been awake back when HMS was first becoming the NY Yankees....
 
If you want to see some bad reporting by the NASCAR media, just wait until the Eldora truck race. That bunch will be too concerned with getting a little dirt on them they'll overlook some things so they can get out of there in a hurry.
 
MRM said:
If you want to see some bad reporting by the NASCAR media, just wait until the Eldora truck race. That bunch will be too concerned with getting a little dirt on them they'll overlook some things so they can get out of there in a hurry.
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That's gonna be hilarious. The media works against the fans' best interest IMO mainly because the type of tracks the fans want to see races at don't have all the modern amenities the media likes. And most of those guys aren't savvy enough to buy a Verizon aircard or work off an iPhone.
 
even jr. gave chase a congrats in pocono post race interview today. hhmmm..
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Congratulations to Chase for bringing a gun to a knife fight and winning. That what you want to hear?
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nope. just look fer mo a' same hms support in future .

an i'm no hms or jr fan.......sport just needs new young guns.......as current ones gettin a little "long in tha tooth."
 
hawg dawg said:
nope. just look fer mo a' same hms support in future .

an i'm no hms or jr fan.......sport just needs new young guns.......as current ones gettin a little "long in tha tooth."
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Chase Elliott ain't the future. Larson, Blaney, Jeb Burton and Bubba are the future. Elliott will get to Cup and he'll probably be there soon - but I don't even put him in the top ten.
 
those def look like tha fab 5 fer future.......at least now.

i take it ya ain't no elliott fan......period ! ha!
 
June 9th 2013 a day that will live in infamy forever.
Selah
I will always remember where I was, what I was doing when the hyena-ous, barbaric, journalistic terrorism occourred.
The illuminati set out out violate the racing worlds mentality when they over played Chase's accomplishment, calling it journalistic rape defines it best.
 
The media will certainly inflict a "Chasamainic" curse upon us if we alllow them (thank God for Andy).
The boys mother (Cindy Elliott) might as well be named Media Elliott. She was a photographer when she met Bill and was prepared to spawn the next media hype upon the world (it was always an unholy plan).

The wise racing forum reader will listen to our prophet Andy. When he warns us about this kind, the kind that would abuse men, women, and children with their abused misfacts, you best listen to him and follow his instructions.

Otherwise it is well nigh sundown on human intelligence.
 
No, they're just doing what they did with Logano. They've been wanting the next Gordon or Earnhardt for years but they want it to be someone they expect it to be instead of someone like Jimmie Johnson.

Glad to see the trolls are in full force tonight though.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
No, they're just doing what they did with Logano. They've been wanting the next Gordon or Earnhardt for years but they want it to be someone they expect it to be instead of someone like Jimmie Johnson.

Glad to see the trolls are in full force tonight though.
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You may be right, time will tell. Media hype or not, he has to earn every future win.
We will just have to wait and see how it unfolds.
 
Andy , they have you surrounded . Go outside peacefully , with your hands over your head . They just want to talk to you and see that you get your meds .;)
 
Greg said:
You may be right, time will tell. Media hype or not, he has to earn every future win.
We will just have to wait and see how it unfolds.
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The media needs to be more cautious on jumping on the Chase Elliott hype wagon. They jumped right on it. It's Joey Logano all over again.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The media needs to be more cautious on jumping on the Chase Elliott hype wagon. They jumped right on it. It's Joey Logano all over again.
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But in nascar they even talk about Digger. Chase Elliott isn't the problem, a lack of real stories and over abundance of time is the problem.
 
Haters going to hate. Its part of the sport. The kid is just 17 for Gods sake. He won the ARCA race and imo was not the fastest car but he was fast. The team did not make any mistakes and the driver did not make any mistakes. Rick Hendrick is not afraid to open his check book and invest in the future. He obviously knows talent when he sees it based on his past record. Whether Chase pans out long term is anybodies guess but to write him off now is foolish. I think he has what it takes. Lets just try to remember he is not even 18 yet!
 
ElliottFan said:
Haters going to hate. Its part of the sport. The kid is just 17 for Gods sake. He won the ARCA race and imo was not the fastest car but he was fast. The team did not make any mistakes and the driver did not make any mistakes. Rick Hendrick is not afraid to open his check book and invest in the future. He obviously knows talent when he sees it based on his past record. Whether Chase pans out long term is anybodies guess but to write him off now is foolish. I think he has what it takes. Lets just try to remember he is not even 18 yet!
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It was the driver, not the car? LMAO! That's funny stuff right there. He had the best raw car there, by a mile.

His pit crew didn't screw up because it was a Hendrick Motorsports/NASCAR Sprint Cup Series pit crew led by a NASCAR Sprint Cup Series crew chief up against a bunch of amateurs from Toledo, Ohio. It was the equivalent of the Baltimore Ravens playing a football game against a middle school football team.

I get that you're an Elliott fan, I'm just stating the facts here. Chase Elliott brought an AK-47 to a knife fight and massacred everyone else there. All he had to do was show up. I could've put any one of our U-CAR drivers from Franklin County Speedway in that car and they would've won.

This is no different from when Joey Logano showed up to the ARCA race at Rockingham a few years back and the media proclaimed him the greatest ever because he won an ARCA race at age 17. For ****'s sake, he was a second a lap faster than every other car when every other car had fresh tires on and his tires were like 50 laps old. I'm sorry but that's 100% engine. There isn't a single driver in the world who is so good that they can make a car perform better on old tires at The Rock than everyone else performs with new tires. No driver in the world can get five extra seconds a lap out of a racecar at a track like Rockingham.
 
Chase Elliott will get to Sprint Cup because he's packaged for Sprint Cup just like Joey Logano was. He's got the name, the money behind him and a Cup powerhouse backing him.
 
Elliott and Burton, even Blaney to some extent, name first and talent second, Larson and Bubba are there by talent, not name. Sponsors will come to the name drivers, drivers like Larson will have to turn heads by winning. a whole lot harder to do that. Larson and Bubba are racing to eat right now, the other three aren't. The ice is much thinner for the no names. also, you look at the support and experience, and the doors that are opened, the name youngsters have another advantage. I am not going to say it is unfair, it just is what it is. Elliott could have done many things to raise Rick Hendrick's eyebrows. as it was, he went from the very back to the front. That will keep him in Hendrick equipment if he keeps it up. What this has to do with PockrASS who knows.:idunno:
 
StandOnIt said:
Elliott and Burton, even Blaney to some extent, name first and talent second, Larson and Bubba are there by talent, not name. Sponsors will come to the name drivers, drivers like Larson will have to turn heads by winning. a whole lot harder to do that. Larson and Bubba are racing to eat right now, the other three aren't. The ice is much thinner for the no names. also, you look at the support and experience, and the doors that are opened, the name youngsters have another advantage. I am not going to say it is unfair, it just is what it is. Elliott could have done many things to raise Rick Hendrick's eyebrows. as it was, he went from the very back to the front. That will keep him in Hendrick equipment if he keeps it up. What this has to do with PockrASS who knows.:idunno:
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The talent Kyle Larson has, I just can't wrap my mind around it. The kid can drive anything. And he doesn't have the ego. The real deal.
 
I think he is place driving right now IMO. He hangs around mid pack, and makes his move for the front at the very last, pretty conservative and smart. I think he has more speed than he is showing right now, but it is more important to finish well, than go all out for a win. If he gets the car setup right, and gets a few breaks I think he will push it though. The Turner Scott bunch are pretty good, but they are stretching themselves moving up to N'wide and him too.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Chase Elliott will get to Sprint Cup because he's packaged for Sprint Cup just like Joey Logano was. He's got the name, the money behind him and a Cup powerhouse backing him.
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I'm pretty sure that's called the "American dream"!
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Greg said:
But in nascar they even talk about Digger. Chase Elliott isn't the problem, a lack of real stories and over abundance of time is the problem.
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There are plenty of stories in NASCAR, just look at this forum and our debates on everything. The problem is that they take NASCAR's company line on everything and have no further discussion on anything, hence lots of time to talk about Digger and Chase Elliott and Danica "just learning". FOX should stick Andy or I in the booth with DW and Larry Mac if they want stimulating conversation about contemporary issues in NASCAR.

It's like professional wrestling, you need a straight man announcer to talk up the faces and you need a heel color commentator to talk up the heels.
 
I get that you're an Elliott fan, I'm just stating the facts here. Chase Elliott brought an AK-47 to a knife fight and massacred everyone else there. All he had to do was show up. I could've put any one of our U-CAR drivers from Franklin County Speedway in that car and they would've won.
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You are only 25 years or so late on this, dude. Motorsports 'journalism' died when you were still in diapers---if not before.
 
KevinWI said:
There are plenty of stories in NASCAR, just look at this forum and our debates on everything. The problem is that they take NASCAR's company line on everything and have no further discussion on anything, hence lots of time to talk about Digger and Chase Elliott and Danica "just learning". FOX should stick Andy or I in the booth with DW and Larry Mac if they want stimulating conversation about contemporary issues in NASCAR.

It's like professional wrestling, you need a straight man announcer to talk up the faces and you need a heel color commentator to talk up the heels.
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I like the idea, but Nascar will only accept a little critical analysis, the parameters are limited.
There are only few like Ned Jarrett, or Barney Hall that can stay in the box and seem genuine.
Stories: You are right there are millions but good reporting has a cost.
I would like them to report on the have nots, are mid teir teams. It would be a win/win imo. The exposure would help them, and build more respect for their accomplishments as underdogs (talking midweek preparation and struggles as well as raceday), and that helps Nascar too.

But in todays world of quartly profits, and the need for an almost instant return on net assets, common sense is often a casualty.
I cant say Nascar is any worse, it just the way things work.
 
but Nascar will only accept a little critical analysis, the parameters are limited.
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Nascar 'only accepts a little critical analysis' due to a weak motorsports press, however. Strictly speaking, Andy is correct regarding motorsports journalism.

That facts should dictate the parameters...never any sanctioning body.

Just my opinion.
 
StandOnIt said:
Elliott and Burton, even Blaney to some extent, name first and talent second, Larson and Bubba are there by talent, not name. Sponsors will come to the name drivers, drivers like Larson will have to turn heads by winning. a whole lot harder to do that. Larson and Bubba are racing to eat right now, the other three aren't. The ice is much thinner for the no names. also, you look at the support and experience, and the doors that are opened, the name youngsters have another advantage. I am not going to say it is unfair, it just is what it is. Elliott could have done many things to raise Rick Hendrick's eyebrows. as it was, he went from the very back to the front. That will keep him in Hendrick equipment if he keeps it up. What this has to do with PockrASS who knows.:idunno:
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turn heads by winning. a whole lot harder to do that.
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I agree, brother, and so would Trevor Bayne.
 
One question. If Chase had a car so much faster than everyone else, why was that #15 car leading by about a mile and a half at one point? Granted I missed half the race but seems if Chase's car was that much better he would've sat on the pole and stayed there.
 
97forever said:
Nascar 'only accepts a little critical analysis' due to a weak motorsports press, however. Strictly speaking, Andy is correct regarding motorsports journalism.

That facts should dictate the parameters...never any sanctioning body.

Just my opinion.
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I agree

The problem is that Nascar owns the press, or least the most prominent reporters).
It isnt old USSR pravada propaganda, but to a lower degree a leash or control apparatus is in place.
I love MRN but they were created and owned by Nascar, and for the ones that arent owned they can still be denied credentials if they get out of line.
After all these years the practice has also conditioned participants and fans to accept it with little or no questions (it is there sandbox).

Note: I do believe Nascar is almost always ethical, I dont want them to get a black eye. But that doesn't mean it is perfect, and that the reporting doesnt come across as more promotion than presenting facts.
Most pre and post race shows are useless as a result, they are too filtered, and torture a few simple points.
 
Stewart Fan said:
One question. If Chase had a car so much faster than everyone else, why was that #15 car leading by about a mile and a half at one point? Granted I missed half the race but seems if Chase's car was that much better he would've sat on the pole and stayed there.
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yeah---erik jones in #15 ran outa gas earlier......then caught back up......

a few mo laps.....an he prolly woulda passed elliott. ole man kimmel too. ??

closin rate was so huge .....fer tha top few cars......that rest a' field was resume racin....just hopin ta finish w/ no scratches on car.
 
Stewart Fan said:
One question. If Chase had a car so much faster than everyone else, why was that #15 car leading by about a mile and a half at one point? Granted I missed half the race but seems if Chase's car was that much better he would've sat on the pole and stayed there.
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Andy had a knack of stating his dreams as facts and yelling at folks who disagree . Chase did not have the fastest car all day , he didn't even have the fastest car at the end . He was being run down by the second place car and would have lost the lead in another lap.
 
Stewart Fan said:
One question. If Chase had a car so much faster than everyone else, why was that #15 car leading by about a mile and a half at one point? Granted I missed half the race but seems if Chase's car was that much better he would've sat on the pole and stayed there.
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Because Erik Jones is a better driver. Chase Elliott had the best raw car. It's just like Ty Dillon a few years ago - he's running in cars where he can still get wins and top five finishes if he only gives it 50%.
 
pretty interesting this weekend, both the Dillon's had the best pieces. Dominated the race, but when it was go time at the last, they both got beat.? You want to read some real B.S., with the exception of Brenden Gaughan, who isn't right anyway, the other drivers interviewed drive for a cup team driver. what are they supposed to say.
http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...ing-world-truck-series-kyle-busch-debate.html
 
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