falling out of love with nascar

jasn88cubs said:
7) i miss the danger of the sport. i dont want anyone to die, but the great thing about nascar was the danger. the fact that these guys were hitting the wall at 180 plus. guys racing in the summertime in the south getting out of the car looking like they just went through the toughest battle ever. now we get competition cautions, all this fancy in car cooling stuff and all that
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SpeedPagan said:
So....you're okay with drivers getting injured and sometimes dying from an accident that in hindsight was easily preventable with the right technology in the car and on the track?

Yea, if that's your attitude, good luck with your new sport man.
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To be honest, he's not that far off, and I'm sure he's not alone. NASCAR (racing in general) was always kind of a "daredevil" sport. Death defying drives racing on the edge of danger. Over the years it's become safer and safer, and has lost that bit of it's romance (for lack of a better word.) Many people wonder, ponder, and argue why attendance his dipped like it has over the years, and in my opinion, the loss of that "daredevil" aspect is one of the (many) reasons.

Now I'm not saying that I want to see our heroes die, but in days gone by, the excitement they brought, and their ability to defy that danger was what made them our heroes.
 
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VaDirt said:
To be honest, he's not that far off, and I'm sure he's not alone. NASCAR (racing in general) was always kind of a "daredevil" sport. Death defying drives racing on the edge of danger. Over the years it's become safer and safer, and has lost that bit of it's romance (for lack of a better word.) Many people wonder, ponder, and argue why attendance his dipped like it has over the years, and in my opinion, the loss of that "daredevil" aspect is one of the (many) reasons.

Now I'm not saying that I want to see our heroes die, but in days gone by, the excitement they brought, and their ability to defy that danger was what made them our heroes.
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Hopefully, those that feel that the sport is lacking the 'danger aspect' had their quota when they got to see Kyle Busch climb out of his car with a compound fracture of one leg and the other foot broken. If that wasn't enough I'm afraid that nothing short of death will suffice.
 
Daredevils?

They still are you have to think these cars are safer than they have been ever since I can remember. I want to see drivers live, not see them die and remember what they were and what they could have been. Cars are faster than ever, more aerodynamic, and hell even more efficient than they have ever been. Every advancement was made for a reason because as cool as it is, I want to these drivers live for another day. I have seen drivers die on TV... It's not a cool sight. To do what they do is dangerous as is for our own entertainment, so I appreciate it more than ever as I have gotten older.
 
VaDirt said:
To be honest, he's not that far off, and I'm sure he's not alone. NASCAR (racing in general) was always kind of a "daredevil" sport. Death defying drives racing on the edge of danger. Over the years it's become safer and safer, and has lost that bit of it's romance (for lack of a better word.) Many people wonder, ponder, and argue why attendance his dipped like it has over the years, and in my opinion, the loss of that "daredevil" aspect is one of the (many) reasons.

Now I'm not saying that I want to see our heroes die, but in days gone by, the excitement they brought, and their ability to defy that danger was what made them our heroes.
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Yeah I get the jist of what the OP is saying, and racers did die, and your right it has lost a bit of the romance because of that I believe that too. These early racers were larger than life and they cheated death every time they got in a car. There is a long list of great ones that aren't around any more and survivors, Like Foyt, Andretti, and Moss.
 
ToyYoda said:
Sorry I bright up Ohio State in a racing thread. I'm a Toyota fan, so I don't have much to brag about on the NASCAR side of things. :D
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Here's a tie in. You weren't far outta line at all.

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ToyYoda said:
I think they actually sold New Coke and Old Coke simultaneously for a few years, the Old Coke was sold as "Coke Classic". When everybody was buying the Classic, the New Coke faded away.
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Yep.. that's exactly what happened
 
This is still a dangerous sport. Hans devices safer barriers car design all help...but we should not kid ourselves. Every time the engines fire there is risk. As dpk mentioned kybu's accident shows this.
 
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DanicaFreak said:
This is still a dangerous sport. Hans devices safer barriers car design all help...but we should not kid ourselves. Every time the engines fire there is risk. As dpk mentioned kybu's accident shows this.
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yeah, sure. but it doesn't compare to the danger that used to be present. They were rolling gas bombs. When you watched a race it wasn't in your mind did he wreck, but will he live thru it.
 
If the OP or anyone else had ever lost a friend or a relative in an auto racing accident, there would be no commentary about the sport not being dangerous enough ... then or now.
 
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dpkimmel2001 said:
Hopefully, those that feel that the sport is lacking the 'danger aspect' had their quota when they got to see Kyle Busch climb out of his car with a compound fracture of one leg and the other foot broken. If that wasn't enough I'm afraid that nothing short of death will suffice.
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Stick and ball players get the same injuries as Kyle hitting each other so maybe those leagues need to come up with safer uniforms.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
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Stick and ball players get the same injuries as Kyle hitting each other so maybe those leagues need to come up with safer uniforms.
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Actually, the NFL (for example) has been changing rules to minimize injuries, and fans do not like it at all.
 
VaDirt said:
Actually, the NFL (for example) has been changing rules to minimize injuries, and fans do not like it at all.
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I challenge your assertion regarding the NFL but this is not the thread to discuss it. Nascar drivers are in a much better place safety wise and don't normally miss races. Sports players get hurt regularly and miss games.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
One word: convertibles.
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there was no weight limit in F-1, cars were breaking in half, steering pieces failing.

Although Formula One races had been taking place since 1948, it was not until 1950 that the World Championship was established.[8] Safety was almost a non-issue[9] in the first 10 years of racing and technological progress was extremely slow compared to modern standards. All of the circuits that Formula One raced on in the 1950s had no safety features; the general mentality was that death was an acceptable risk for winning races, and as a result very few regulations were changed during this period.

1960
Regulations unchanged from 1959 (maximum engine capacity of 750 cc for a compressed engine or 2500 cc for normally aspirated engines. No weight restrictions
 
jasn88cubs said:
1)Season long sponsors. I miss the fact that companies would sponsor a guy for a whole year. Nowyou got 4-5 companies sponsoring. yes i understand because its expensive, but i just miss the fact that when you thought of your driver you instantly thought of the sponsor to
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The season long sponsor issue is one that I have a hard time with, too. I understand its expensive, but when they divide up a season into 4 sponsors (and they are all jumbled up, no guarantee that its the same sponsor 3 weeks straight), I forget or lose interest in the sponsor completely. You've always heard the line about them being rolling billboards, but I always thought about them more like the car kinda as a logo itself. And unlike the new real billboards that do change, the cars did not, and should not. Dale and the big GM on the hood, JG and the rainbow. Petty's STP. You associate those things together, and you don't forget who the sponsor is. And the fans remembered that when they had choices to make in their purchasing.

I couldn't tell you who sponsored who last week. None of them have any impact anymore. Except maybe JJ who always does well with keeping Lowes (although he needs to stick to one color). Seems to me NASCAR should be doing everything they can to keep consistent sponsorship on the cars, because the piecemeal stuff is just not cutting it. I guess that would take caps on spending and franchising or something, I don't know. I'd love to see it that they are required to run the same paint scheme and logos through the whole year, with a few exceptions like the exhibition races. I know. Far-fetched.
 
Nichodemus said:
The season long sponsor issue is one that I have a hard time with, too. I understand its expensive, but when they divide up a season into 4 sponsors (and they are all jumbled up, no guarantee that its the same sponsor 3 weeks straight), I forget or lose interest in the sponsor completely. You've always heard the line about them being rolling billboards, but I always thought about them more like the car kinda as a logo itself. And unlike the new real billboards that do change, the cars did not, and should not. Dale and the big GM on the hood, JG and the rainbow. Petty's STP. You associate those things together, and you don't forget who the sponsor is. And the fans remembered that when they had choices to make in their purchasing.

I couldn't tell you who sponsored who last week. None of them have any impact anymore. Except maybe JJ who always does well with keeping Lowes (although he needs to stick to one color). Seems to me NASCAR should be doing everything they can to keep consistent sponsorship on the cars, because the piecemeal stuff is just not cutting it. I guess that would take caps on spending and franchising or something, I don't know. I'd love to see it that they are required to run the same paint scheme and logos through the whole year, with a few exceptions like the exhibition races. I know. Far-fetched.
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I think it would help too if the broadcasters would do 'through the field' so all the sponsors get some TV time.
 
Nichodemus said:
The season long sponsor issue is one that I have a hard time with, too. I understand its expensive, but when they divide up a season into 4 sponsors (and they are all jumbled up, no guarantee that its the same sponsor 3 weeks straight), I forget or lose interest in the sponsor completely. You've always heard the line about them being rolling billboards, but I always thought about them more like the car kinda as a logo itself. And unlike the new real billboards that do change, the cars did not, and should not. Dale and the big GM on the hood, JG and the rainbow. Petty's STP. You associate those things together, and you don't forget who the sponsor is. And the fans remembered that when they had choices to make in their purchasing.

I couldn't tell you who sponsored who last week. None of them have any impact anymore. Except maybe JJ who always does well with keeping Lowes (although he needs to stick to one color). Seems to me NASCAR should be doing everything they can to keep consistent sponsorship on the cars, because the piecemeal stuff is just not cutting it. I guess that would take caps on spending and franchising or something, I don't know. I'd love to see it that they are required to run the same paint scheme and logos through the whole year, with a few exceptions like the exhibition races. I know. Far-fetched.
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The only Hendrick sponsor I am aware of is Lowes. The 24 car has something to do with hunger and I have no clue about Jr or Kahne. I think Miller still sponsors BKez in some of the races and Bud sponsors Harvick sometimes. Kyle Busch and M&M's is easy for me to remember and I think Kenseth has Dollar General. I have no idea who sponsors Edwards but I think it is still FedEx on the 11 and has been for sometime.

Paul Menard is a piece of cake as his Dad strokes a monthly check to keep him in a ride. I have no clue who sponsors Tony Stewart or Kurt Busch but I do know DP's sponsor is Go Daddy but I have no idea if they manufacture widgets or deodorant.

If I think to years past I associate the #1 car with Skoal Classic, #2 MGD/Lite, #3 Goodwrench, #4 Kodak, #5 Kelloggs, #6 Valvoline #7 Hooters, #8 Snickers, #9 Coors, #10 Puralator, #11 Mountain Dew/Budweiser, #12 Miller High Life....well you get my point.
 
aunty dive said:
Sometimes we remember things the way we want to. :dpepsi:
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They say that often times the worst testimony is eyewitness so your point is well taken. I recently spoke with a very sharp woman in her 90's and she told be it was easier for her to remember one of her dresses from 85 years ago as opposed to what she had for lunch yesterday.
 
Pat said:
I think it would help too if the broadcasters would do 'through the field' so all the sponsors get some TV time.
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I would bet the younger fans or the real rabid ones know who every sponsor is of every car and that is the audience the sponsors want to reach.
 
Gotta be tough for the sponsors too. Big brand like Budweiser sponsors Harvick , he wins the race in a Jimmy Johns car .
 
ted@economy said:
Gotta be tough for the sponsors too. Big brand like Budweiser sponsors Harvick , he wins the race in a Jimmy Johns car .
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JMO but your would think that large companies like Miller, Anheuser-Busch, Dollar General and Mars/M&M would prefer to be on a car every week so as to keep up the association and brand awareness.

I would be interested in knowing why large companies such as Coors, Proctor and Gamble, Kellogs, UPS and General Foods decided to vacate Nascar in whole or in part. Of course I never will find out though.
 
I think the skyrocketing cost of sponsorship has been to blame for a lot of the fragmented sponsorships we've seen the last few years as well. 20 years ago, a company could sponsor a car for the whole year for probably $5-7 million, maybe $8-10 million for the elite teams. Now it's like $30-40 million to sponsor a car for the whole year. Most companies just don't have that much in their marketing budget to devote to NASCAR.
 
ToyYoda said:
I think the skyrocketing cost of sponsorship has been to blame for a lot of the fragmented sponsorships we've seen the last few years as well. 20 years ago, a company could sponsor a car for the whole year for probably $5-7 million, maybe $8-10 million for the elite teams. Now it's like $30-40 million to sponsor a car for the whole year. Most companies just don't have that much in their marketing budget to devote to NASCAR.
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That is a boatload of money as it wasn't long ago that 15 million was the elite money. For competitive reasons I wonder if Nascar will ever have to go full on IROC and lease chassis and engines to teams?
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
That is a boatload of money as it wasn't long ago that 15 million was the elite money. For competitive reasons I wonder if Nascar will ever have to go full on IROC and lease chassis and engines to teams?
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The old saying was they spent an equal amount in a companion advertising program , you know , stand ups in stores , show cars at openings , advertising on cereal boxes , etc ,etc.
 
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