Fan Dead At Texas Motor Speedway After NRA 500

Please don't forget this track is in Texas! It is legal for anyone with a ccl to carry their gun inside the track wheather or not it is against the "rules"! The Texas state laws trump any carry rules the track might have. There is a specefic posting that must be done to actually prohibit the legal carrying of a firearm in this state... Just putting it in the "rules" don't cut it here..
Trust me, the parking lot is/was FULL of vehicles with firearms inside them. Everyone I know is carrying in their vehicle. And most women are carrying in their purses. This is Texas!
Betsy
 
Betsy said:
Please don't forget this track is in Texas! It is legal for anyone with a ccl to carry their gun inside the track wheather or not it is against the "rules"! The Texas state laws trump any carry rules the track might have. There is a specefic posting that must be done to actually prohibit the legal carrying of a firearm in this state... Just putting it in the "rules" don't cut it here..
Trust me, the parking lot is/was FULL of vehicles with firearms inside them. Everyone I know is carrying in their vehicle. And most women are carrying in their purses. This is Texas!
Betsy
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I believe you're incorrect about that. I think the wishes of private property owners trumps any law.
 
Betsy said:
It is legal for anyone with a ccl to carry their gun inside the track wheather or not it is against the "rules"!
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No, it's not.

"Places off-limits when carrying: Handguns and other weapons cannot be carried at schools or on school buses, at polling places, in courts and court offices, at racetracks, at secured airport areas or within 1,000 feet of the premises of an execution on the day of execution. The law also specifically prohibits handguns from businesses where alcohol is sold if more than half of their revenue is from the sale of alcohol for on premises consumption, and from locations where high school, college, or professional sporting events are taking place. You man not carry handguns in hospitals or nursing homes, amusement parks, places of worship or at government meeting if signs are posted prohibiting them. Businesses also may post signs prohibiting handguns on their premises based on criminal trespass laws. See Texas Penal Code 46.032. (Judges, prosecuting attorneys, peace officers and parole offices should consult Texas Penal Code 46.15 regarding exemptions from the “no-carry” rules of the Penal Code.)"
 
Johali said:
If I am wrong I will be corrected numerous times but I believe the regulations at most tracks state that no firearms will be allowed on any speedway property.
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From what I read, state law prohibits carrying firearms in sports venues..... makes no sense though.
 
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Everyone in my fmily has a ccl! We know the Texas ccl laws pretty good.. In order to be prohibited from carrying in a certain location the sign ABOVE must be well within sight of anyone entering. THIS is the current Texas ccl (Though they refer to it as CHL) LAW!
Betsy:wub:
 
Betsy said:
View attachment 6825 Everyone in my fmily has a ccl! We know the Texas ccl laws pretty good.. In order to be prohibited from carrying in a certain location the sign ABOVE must be well within sight of anyone entering. THIS is the current Texas ccl (Though they refer to it as CHL) LAW!
Betsy:wub:
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Interesting concept. How can a "right" be denied on any US soil?
 
Smoke14 said:
Interesting concept. How can a "right" be denied on any US soil?
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It all comes down to private property. If you have a CCL, you do have the right to carry a concealed firearm wherever it is allowed to do so. Conversely, private businesses also have the right to prohibit weapons on their premises if they so wish. Buffalo Wild Wings is a good example of this, they have caught a tremendous amount of flack from the pro-gun crowd for banning firearms on their premises. But, they have every right to do so within the law. They did turn a couple of cops away in one restaurant for having guns, which I did think was pretty stupid, but other than that I don't have a problem with it.
 
First off, sorry for the guy and his family.

Second: I am kinda shocked that this guy could sneak in a firearm but I can't even enter a track these days without begin searched for pot at every gate. I just look like a stoner (and I am) but I don't toke up on race day inside of the track. I've been known to burn one out in the parking lot in my own car but that's the extent of it.

Third: I have a CCL issued in the state of NC and I typically carry everywhere I go. I actually had to pull out my handgun for the first time since I got it years ago because someone tried to car jack me in Danville a few weeks back. Thankfully he ran off because I honestly never want to have to use the thing, but I was more than prepared to do what I had to do if he decided to reach into the car. I was lucky the door was locked and the window wasn't rolled all the way down or things could have gone bad for me.

I wanted to touch on one thing though: I am unsure how Texas law works, but here in NC there are a _ton_ of places where you are not allowed to carry. I can't carry my firearm into a bank for example, or a school zone, or many other private businesses where they are not allowed. Basically just because I have a CCL doesn't give me the right to just walk around with a gun where ever I please. I've never even thought of taking it with me to the track because frankly I didn't see the need and assumed it wouldn't be legal anyway.

You have to be really careful if you carry a firearm, even if I am 100% in the right if I did end up killing someone I'll have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt in court that my life was on the line and I had no other choice but to shoot. Basically, I can't go around acting like billy bad ass. Even if I'm in the right I back down from fights/arguments and act like the nicest person on Earth. I don't want to put myself in a situation where things can escalate. I stay away from bars too.

If you carry please be responsible about it, I don't want to lose my right to carry a firearm... especially after nearly getting car jacked and the fact that the area I live in gets worse and worse by the day. I've always joked that if the Government decided to take away my right to carry I'd just go through life as a criminal. I never thought that might actually happen someday. Even since Newtown happened last year things have gotten crazy...can't even get ammo for some of my guns now (I own five guns, three rifles and two handguns)...or extra clips. I hate to admit it but I was one of the ones that went out and bought extra clips and ammo before they flew off the shelves. The local gun shop has a picture of Obama hanging up now with "employee of the month" written on it. :(

I'll guess I'll end this on the note that I do feel sad for this guy. There have been times in my life where I've thought about ending it, and yes something as simple as an argument could have triggered the final act. Saying "he won't right!" is correct, but I think anyone can stray down that path. I'm sorry no one could help him before he made the choice to go through with his plans....he was probably an okay guy under all the depression. :(
 
NC Hillbilly and anyone else, I understand your desire to carry a firearm for protection and respect your right to do so but do your laws also permit you to carry a non-lethal option in addition to a firearm? I'm just thinking that in some situations, bear spray or something similar may be a better alternative and for a host of reasons.
 
Betsy said:
View attachment 6825 Everyone in my fmily has a ccl! We know the Texas ccl laws pretty good.. In order to be prohibited from carrying in a certain location the sign ABOVE must be well within sight of anyone entering. THIS is the current Texas ccl (Though they refer to it as CHL) LAW!
Betsy:wub:
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Not as well as you think. Like breathoflife said, Texas Penal Code 46.035:

Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER.

(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in the event;
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http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm
 
C'mon guys! Don't doubt me on this.. You are looking a OLD LAWS that have been revised.. I will attempt to spell it out for you'ns..

In Texas there are two different signs that restrict a concealed handgun license holder from carrying into a place of business. They are a 30.06 sign, and a 51% sign.

A 30.06 sign is a sign that a business owner can post to restrict a CHL holder from entering the business with a concealed handgun. The sign must contain the exact words required by Section 30.06 in both English and Spanish, be placed in an area visible to the public, and have 1" lettering or it will not be considered a legally-binding 30.06 sign. "Gunbuster" signs, or signs with a red slash through a gun, are not considered valid 30.06 postings.

A 51% sign is a sign that a business is required by law to post if 51% of their revenue is obtained through on-premises drinking, such as at a bar. Unfortunately this also has the consequence of not allowing CHL holders to enter the premises where the drinking is taking place while carrying their handgun.
Additional places are not required to post a sign to forbid CHL holders from entering the premises with their handgun as Texas law already forbids it, such as court houses and educational institutions.

The sign I posted above is EXACTLY and ONLY what is required and/or legal.
Betsy:wub:
 
Betsy said:
C'mon guys! Don't doubt me on this.. You are looking a OLD LAWS that have been revised.. I will attempt to spell it out for you'ns..

In Texas there are two different signs that restrict a concealed handgun license holder from carrying into a place of business. They are a 30.06 sign, and a 51% sign.

A 30.06 sign is a sign that a business owner can post to restrict a CHL holder from entering the business with a concealed handgun. The sign must contain the exact words required by Section 30.06 in both English and Spanish, be placed in an area visible to the public, and have 1" lettering or it will not be considered a legally-binding 30.06 sign. "Gunbuster" signs, or signs with a red slash through a gun, are not considered valid 30.06 postings.

A 51% sign is a sign that a business is required by law to post if 51% of their revenue is obtained through on-premises drinking, such as at a bar. Unfortunately this also has the consequence of not allowing CHL holders to enter the premises where the drinking is taking place while carrying their handgun.
Additional places are not required to post a sign to forbid CHL holders from entering the premises with their handgun as Texas law already forbids it, such as court houses and educational institutions.

The sign I posted above is EXACTLY and ONLY what is required and/or legal.
Betsy:wub:
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Just to let you know Betsy , those of us who are actually reading your posts have no argument with you. Your posts are very knowledgable and well written. Good for you.:cheers:
 
Betsy said:
C'mon guys! Don't doubt me on this.. You are looking a OLD LAWS that have been revised.. I will attempt to spell it out for you'ns..

In Texas there are two different signs that restrict a concealed handgun license holder from carrying into a place of business. They are a 30.06 sign, and a 51% sign.

A 30.06 sign is a sign that a business owner can post to restrict a CHL holder from entering the business with a concealed handgun. The sign must contain the exact words required by Section 30.06 in both English and Spanish, be placed in an area visible to the public, and have 1" lettering or it will not be considered a legally-binding 30.06 sign. "Gunbuster" signs, or signs with a red slash through a gun, are not considered valid 30.06 postings.

A 51% sign is a sign that a business is required by law to post if 51% of their revenue is obtained through on-premises drinking, such as at a bar. Unfortunately this also has the consequence of not allowing CHL holders to enter the premises where the drinking is taking place while carrying their handgun.
Additional places are not required to post a sign to forbid CHL holders from entering the premises with their handgun as Texas law already forbids it, such as court houses and educational institutions.

The sign I posted above is EXACTLY and ONLY what is required and/or legal.
Betsy:wub:
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Sorry for doubting you! :) Did a little more reading.

http://www.txchia.org/txcarry.htm
 
ted@economy said:
Just to let you know Betsy , those of us who are actually reading your posts have no argument with you. Your posts are very knowledgable and well written. Good for you.:cheers:
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I read the posts loud and clear. It just wasn't matching up with what I was reading is all. Plus, I just couldn't fathom that it would be legal to carry inside a venue such as a professional sports venue.
 
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