Felix Sabatas tears into Kenny Wallace

ted@economy said:
And , if the average of the 44 plus cars in Cup series is 22 , her 27th placing is pretty close to average in her rookie year . But we're wasting our time on closed minds .
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You're doing a pretty good job of arguing w/ yourself, but I'll help you out. There are only 43 cars that make the race, the fact that you're attempting to include teams like Brian Keselowski Racing or Leavine Family Racing speaks volumes. She is 27th out of 43 while driving the best equipment in the garage, pretty close to average yes, but technically below average. I understand she's a rookie and who knows what she'll accomplish, but right now she's below avg and the stats bear that out.
 
felix can't handle the truth. anyone want to put a dollar figure on the money he has spent in nascar? and what are his accomplishments? and considering the sabates reaction, kenny must have hit a nerve that was already raw.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Again...below average? She competed at a high level in Indy Car, drove near the front in NW, almost won on a road course in NW, won the pole at Daytona, led laps, finished in the top 10......and you are calling her below average? Hmmm... you should reconsider your statement!
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I was impressed watching her in that NW road race, she drove her ass off. Finished as high as 5th in points in Indy, again impressive. But, in Nascar (this is the nascar forum correct??) she is/has been below average and I don't see enough flashes that would lead me to believe she'll ever be good. She might improve enough that I'd call her average, but nothing more.

If she's not below avg, what would you call her, average?? I call guys like Ambrose or Almirola average and their both better than her in lesser equipment.
 
felix "hopes" this gets media coverage.
will use it like a ball coach..........ta pump up 42 larson crew......goin into 2014.
"look what they said bout us"..........................................

proof? ----google his biz career !!! felix is no idiot .

now kenny wallace......brain ta mouth link never developed maybe.
idiot "brown nosed " talkin head.
 
Lazyking said:
Have a question for all the doubters.. You really think experience plays that much of a factor? Or do you just deny the fact that EGR has shown speed if not results? Talent does come into play and I believe Larson is the most talented driver since Logano at least..Stenhouse a two time champ isn't doing **** in a Roush car.. Maybe it's because he has subpar talent?
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Okay, I'll play. Yes, I really think experience plays that much of a factor. Stenhouse isn't doing much in a Roush car (yet), but I think without the experience of those two N'wide championships, he's be doing less even less.

Larson may be the most talented driver since Logano. Look at what Logano did (or didn't) do his first couple of seasons.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Okay, I'll play. Yes, I really think experience plays that much of a factor. Stenhouse isn't doing much in a Roush car (yet), but I think without the experience of those two N'wide championships, he's be doing less even less.

Larson may be the most talented driver since Logano. Look at what Logano did (or didn't) do his first couple of seasons.
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I did look at Logano, one win, 3 top fives and 7 top tens. finished 20th. I just think you're being a little too harsh on your assessment that Larson will finish 25th or worse.. That's Danica territory.
 
hawg dawg said:
felix "hopes" this gets media coverage.
will use it like a ball coach..........ta pump up 42 larson crew......goin into 2014.
"look what they said bout us"..........................................

proof? ----google his biz career !!! felix is no idiot .

now kenny wallace......brain ta mouth link never developed maybe.
idiot "brown nosed " talkin head.
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Nobody is going to remember this in a few weeks let alone next year.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Again...below average? She competed at a high level in Indy Car, drove near the front in NW, almost won on a road course in NW, won the pole at Daytona, led laps, finished in the top 10......and you are calling her below average? Hmmm... you should reconsider your statement!
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what races have you been watching?? she is in hendrick equipment. has the support of the very best in the sport on how to drive the cars. winning a pole at daytona?!?!?!? honestly if given 45 minutes of instruction about which switch controls what and maybe a few laps in a pace car around daytona, anyone reading this could have put that same 10 car on the daytona pole. and yes she is below average and yeah if we want to put a women in a stock car there are lots more deserving of the chance. Start with some that have actually won some late model races. Irwindale has a women that runs with the boys all the time, she is better.
 
reck said:
Nobody is going to remember this in a few weeks let alone next year.
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i won't....you won't.....but felix will make sure tha larson team remembers. ........now til 2014.
 
Larson got sold a bill of goods from his pal #14...Chevy wanted this kid in their camp come hell or high water...There was NO room for him at the top tier bowtie teams...HMS--FULL...SHR--FULL...RCR going a different direction with FAMILY drivers in the future. And not being actually signed by chevy with the possibility of Richard throwing in the towel and making the move to DODGE. The only thing left was EGR...Larson future strongly depends on the mindset of Chip...he has the resources to get the cars right for his drivers...Im not sure he cares all that much about his NASCRAP venture as he does his INDY teams......I would like to know who the clown was that manipulated this kid into signing a 7 year deal with EGR.....
 
remember when jmac was the hot ticket and roush signed him?? jmac did pretty much nothing in roush cars. casey mears hot ticket take 2, again moves to HMS And even RCR after, guess what did nothing again. noone has been successful running for other teams once they have run well in a gnassasi car. so my point is maybe chips cars aren't as bad as we think they are.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Huh below average.....hmmm might want to reconsider that a little, certainly no super star , but below average? Any driver that makes it to the Cup level is not below average.
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He raced in the Cup series for a decade, never won a single race, never even finished in the top 20 in points. I would say that qualifies as "below average." Like Sliced pointed out, he's below average compared to his competition. I'm not saying he was less talented than Joe Shmoe in the Winston West series.
 
TooSweet said:
He raced in the Cup series for a decade, never won a single race, never even finished in the top 20 in points. I would say that qualifies as "below average." Like Sliced pointed out, he's below average compared to his competition. I'm not saying he was less talented than Joe Shmoe in the Winston West series.
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You could make that argument for 65% of the Cup drivers now competing then.
 
TooSweet said:
He raced in the Cup series for a decade, never won a single race, never even finished in the top 20 in points. I would say that qualifies as "below average." Like Sliced pointed out, he's below average compared to his competition. I'm not saying he was less talented than Joe Shmoe in the Winston West series.
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Exactly, same thing I said about Danica, we're not comparing their driving skills to the 80 year old lady who sideswiped my car at the supermarket. They are being compared to Nascar Sprint Cup drivers, not your avg person or even Arca,Truck or Indycar drivers. From that standpoint they are indeed below average.
 
Mayhem said:
Exactly, same thing I said about Danica, we're not comparing their driving skills to the 80 year old lady who sideswiped my car at the supermarket. They are being compared to Nascar Sprint Cup drivers, not your avg person or even Arca,Truck or Indycar drivers. From that standpoint they are indeed below average.
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How about giving credit when she does do an average job , this week she finished 21st ...average .
 
To Kenny's credit, the way I see it is EGR should be doing alot better than they are. They happen to be the biggest most heavily financed team without a win since 2010. I mean Gnassi has that huge "Garage Mahal" with enough floor space to comfortably fit the transporters inside with enough room left dang near for a 100 yard gridiron. A massive payroll I mean with as well as Chips IndyCars have always been, his Winston Cup program in comparison is a complete joke...
 
hidesert cowboy said:
what races have you been watching?? she is in hendrick equipment. has the support of the very best in the sport on how to drive the cars. winning a pole at daytona?!?!?!? honestly if given 45 minutes of instruction about which switch controls what and maybe a few laps in a pace car around daytona, anyone reading this could have put that same 10 car on the daytona pole. and yes she is below average and yeah if we want to put a women in a stock car there are lots more deserving of the chance. Start with some that have actually won some late model races. Irwindale has a women that runs with the boys all the time, she is better.
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Ha that is pretty funny a few minutes learning the switches and you can get the pole at Daytona, ok big boy lets see you do it?!
 
Mopardh9 said:
Ha that is pretty funny a few minutes learning the switches and you can get the pole at Daytona, ok big boy lets see you do it?!
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Not for nothing but he has a point although I wouldn't say it takes just a few minutes to gauge the track and master all the controls and whatnot.

It comes standard as a driver that should be able to keep a car straight if you're in that business. Maybe you and I couldn't do it but someone is that profession should have no problem getting it done provided you have a fast car at Daytona which pretty much its the only thing it demands as far as qualifying goes. Racing in a pack, a whole different story entirely.
 
reck said:
Not for nothing but he has a point although I wouldn't say it takes just a few minutes to gauge the track and master all the controls and whatnot.

It comes standard as a driver that should be able to keep a car straight if you're in that business. Maybe you and I couldn't do it but someone is that profession should have no problem getting it done provided you have a fast car at Daytona which pretty much its the only thing it demands as far as qualifying goes. Racing in a pack, a whole different story entirely.
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It takes a lot more than being able to keep the car straight at 200 mph. You need feedback, proper feedback, I'm not going to get into the whole Danica angle, but to even run one race at the Cup level you have to be pretty damn good, Sure there are average drivers at the top level, there are average baseball players in MLB, average football players in the NFL. The point I was making was that once you have made it to the highest level of your sport, you have done something, whether it is just once or you stay there....that can never be taken away. I think we tend to trivialize that as fans, make less than it really is.
 
I think Nascar is different then other sports.. Alot of times, sponsors play a huge part in who gets what oppurtunity. Danica doesn't get the oppurtunity without Go daddy.. Kenny Wallace successful elsewhere lets cash in hoping he can be like Rusty etc.. I'm speaking in general terms...point is, Just pure talent doesn't get you to Sprint cup series like it would in other sports. All these drivers could drive better then me that doesn't mean they belong in the top series of Nascar.
 
Lazyking said:
I think Nascar is different then other sports.. Alot of times, sponsors play a huge part in who gets what oppurtunity. Danica doesn't get the oppurtunity without Go daddy.. Kenny Wallace successful elsewhere lets cash in hoping he can be like Rusty etc.. I'm speaking in general terms...point is, Just pure talent doesn't get you to Sprint cup series like it would in other sports. All these drivers could drive better then me that doesn't mean they belong in the top series of Nascar.
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Very true. The Brett Bodines and Kenny Wallaces of the world get a shot in Cup because of their last name. Same deal with sponsors getting rides for drivers like Paul Menard, Jon Wes Townley, Tim George Jr, Danica, and so on. In all other sports, the cream rises to the top. Unfortunately you'll never have the 43 most talented Nascar drivers racing in Cup.
 
TooSweet said:
Very true. The Brett Bodines and Kenny Wallaces of the world get a shot in Cup because of their last name. Same deal with sponsors getting rides for drivers like Paul Menard, Jon Wes Townley, Tim George Jr, Danica, and so on. In all other sports, the cream rises to the top. Unfortunately you'll never have the 43 most talented Nascar drivers racing in Cup.
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Yes and unfortunately, not all 43 cars have a real chance to win.. ultra competitive as it is, you better be in a top 20 ride or you'll be lucky to have a few top tens to your name..

That is simliar to other sports though, most money tends to have a better shot. The disparity in sprint cup is stark though.
 
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