Few notes from this race...so far

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-This car gives a terribly unfair advantage to very bad cars in clean air.

I can understand making it abit better but take Menard for instance. Guy was running top 15 or whatever, he stays out on old tires and leads almost an entire green flag run! How?

-Cant pass

Is it just me or do you have to have an insanely good car to be able to pass here? I'll go back to people who had 50+ laps on their tires holding people who just took four. This car is flawed so badly. NASCAR needs to fix this problem.

-Bristol repave blows

One groove race track that you cant pass at.

Bad...bad.. bad.
 
Clean air on a short track......go figure. Its kind of the opposite of the old Bristol, now you have to run the top and not the bottom. The lapped cars are really bad tonight.
 
Lazyking said:
he did not hold him off with ease... their is just no bottom lane without dive bombing a pass. Kahne was faster, he just has zero balls
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I made this thread early on when Menard was leading.

But I agree with you about Kahne nonetheless.
 
Lazyking said:
he did not hold him off with ease... their is just no bottom lane without dive bombing a pass. Kahne was faster, he just has zero balls
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Well it was easy for Kenseth to hold him off given the fact that Khane didn't really make a good attempt at passing him.
 
DSquad48 said:
Well it was easy for Kenseth to hold him off given the fact that Khane didn't really make a good attempt at passing him.
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He made a couple attempts but like I said there is no bottom lane. He then backed off and by the time he got back to him, he refused to wreck Kenseth.

I say no bottom lane but Kahne could have Dive bombed and did a slide job but again, he's gutless.
 
yeah I was disappointed with Kahne, fresher tires and good on fuel and he couldn't pull off a win. He only roughed him up once and that was a full car rub and it was like he was electrocuted, he fell way back instead of going for it again. He was points racing, and probably did the right thing, but it didn't look good from a fan standpoint. He wouldn't have fallen out of the points if he had wrecked. I guess that is why I like Stewart. He went for it in the same situation.
 
reck said:
-Cant pass

Is it just me or do you have to have an insanely good car to be able to pass here? I'll go back to people who had 50+ laps on their tires holding people who just took four. This car is flawed so badly. NASCAR needs to fix this problem.

-Bristol repave blows

One groove race track that you cant pass at.

Bad...bad.. bad.
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Strange how the knock on Bristol changes from year to year . It used to be a one groove race track till it was reinvented as a multigroove track . Fans didn't like that change so they took away some banking to make it more of a one groove track . Now ,are we calling for the multigroove again ?
 
1. Clean air is faster no matter the track, driver, or generation car. Plain simple.

2. Can't pass? There's was tons of passing last night. Did you not watch Gordon come from 20th to the top 3 late in the race? Other cars did the same all night.

3. One groove? Tell Gordon, Montoya, Logano, Edwards and Keselowski that. They all utilized the bottom groove to create speed.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
1. Clean air is faster no matter the track, driver, or generation car. Plain simple.

2. Can't pass? There's was tons of passing last night. Did you not watch Gordon come from 20th to the top 3 late in the race? Other cars did the same all night.

3. One groove? Tell Gordon, Montoya, Logano, Edwards and Keselowski that. They all utilized the bottom groove to create speed.
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The old cars weren't close to this sensitive back in dirty air as this one is. Its not just "plain simple."

And I said you had to have a damn good car to make the passes, I didn't say you couldn't pass even with a good car. There is a difference dude, read carefully.

I read some posts in the race thread saying that Carl had the fastest car and yet he had a million troubles passing lapped cars. Since he had the fastest car he should have blasted by them, no?

Bristol right now has a one groove only lane.
 
Well if you dont wanna be in dirty air, race your ass to the lead to get in the clean air. Well you cant pass with a bad car now can you? And lapped cars arent gunna just move aside for the leaders, contrary to common belief. They are racing just like everyone else. The fastest car doesnt always win the race eh?

Yeah, at other tracks this Gen 6 car absolutely ruins the racing. At Bristol though it put on one hell of a show for the fans and lived up to the hype of a Bristol race.
 
Same thing with Kyle holding up Edwards for awhile. Hell...Gilliland was two laps down and "holding up" the leaders
 
Holding up the leaders is different from not being able to pass. If there's a car on the slippery bottom groove, and you're stuck up top with a slow car infront of you, you're kinda just in a box till it works itself out. Typical Bristol situation
 
IMO last night you could not pass a good car on the bottom. you could pass inferior handling cars on the bottom. Saw it all night , several cars work there way up but passing the top 2 or 3 cars was a different story. Just curious as to why there was little fall off on the left side tires?
 
I thought we saw a great race. With a great finish. I'm glad kasey had the balls to race Matt clean given the past. To say he or any other driver on track is gutless is just laughable. Where are you at?....anyways again great race and Hi all!
 
MashMaker said:
I thought we saw a great race. With a great finish. I'm glad kasey had the balls to race Matt clean given the past. To say he or any other driver on track is gutless is just laughable. Where are you at?....anyways again great race and Hi all!
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unlike Kahne, they weren't in the arena . . .
 
MashMaker said:
I thought we saw a great race. With a great finish. I'm glad kasey had the balls to race Matt clean given the past. To say he or any other driver on track is gutless is just laughable. Where are you at?....anyways again great race and Hi all!
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Welcome to the forum mashmaker , great to hear a new voice . We all want to see that bump and run type racing as long as there is no payback . Payback can be a bitch and at 200mph it can be dangerous. Sorry to ramble ,yes I agree with you.
 
Let me make this 100% clear..Kenseth did NOT intentionally wreck Kahne at WG - no matter what Kasey said or tweeted after the race or what people WANT to believe. It simply did NOT happen.

His issue is with Kyle Busch - not Kenseth or Hamlin.
 
reck said:
-This car gives a terribly unfair advantage to very bad cars in clean air.

I can understand making it abit better but take Menard for instance. Guy was running top 15 or whatever, he stays out on old tires and leads almost an entire green flag run! How?

-Cant pass

Is it just me or do you have to have an insanely good car to be able to pass here? I'll go back to people who had 50+ laps on their tires holding people who just took four. This car is flawed so badly. NASCAR needs to fix this problem.

-Bristol repave blows


One groove race track that you cant pass at.

Bad...bad.. bad.
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You must of watched a different race than I did, I saw 3 wide passing, saw guys go from the back to the front and then do it all over again, seriously this was the BEST BRISTOL race I've seen in at least 10 years.
 
MashMaker said:
I thought we saw a great race. With a great finish. I'm glad kasey had the balls to race Matt clean given the past. To say he or any other driver on track is gutless is just laughable. Where are you at?....anyways again great race and Hi all!
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Welcome to the forum
 
BamaFan said:
IMO last night you could not pass a good car on the bottom. you could pass inferior handling cars on the bottom. Saw it all night , several cars work there way up but passing the top 2 or 3 cars was a different story. Just curious as to why there was little fall off on the left side tires?
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Good compound
 
Mopardh9 said:
And what might that be?
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Seriously? The bump and run. PUSH to pass. Get it? When a slower car on old tires can beat a faster car on 4 fresh for 20 laps, drastic measures have to be taken. But it was a good battle all the same. It's looking like Matt is the new king of old tire wins. This is his 3rd this year.
 
Well yeh I knew the bump and run crap....but that is like old school stuff that is going out the window, not happening anymore cause too many drivers get pissed off. I'd rather see a legitimate pass for the lead than the bump and run any day!
 
The bump & run isn't used as much anymore cuz these cars are too aero sensitive for the nose to get banged up. Also too fragile - Gordon had slight damage on his nose from spinning Labonte and his duct work came loose and water temps began to soar.

Khane hadn't used the bottom all day unlike 5 or 6 other top drivers. When he tried to do the slide job his setup wasn't made for it and he slide into the door Kenseth. The only other option is to either wait for the vet to slip up, or make him slip up.
 
I had to quit reading most of the posts after half way or so through this thread. One groove? I guess I'll have to see what they showed on TV because the track was anything but. Before the reconfiguration of the track it was one groove..... The bottom. About the only way around was to push someone out of the way. Multiple lanes are opened up now and they can actually race. I watched my driver run multiple grooves all night long. Kahne not being able to get around Kenseth was a result of Kenseth having the preferred line being able to carry the speed off of the turns. That's nothing new. Kahne could have punted him like they used to do in days gone by and he certainly would have gotten around him. I was waiting for it but he never did. Those two guys put on a great show of racing at the end of that event and showed just how skilled they are. It doesn't take a whole lot of skill to bump another car out of the way but it sure does to turn laps sided by side like those two did at the end of that one. Great racing IMO.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I had to quit reading most of the posts after half way or so through this thread. One groove? I guess I'll have to see what they showed on TV because the track was anything but. Before the reconfiguration of the track it was one groove..... The bottom. About the only way around was to push someone out of the way. Multiple lanes are opened up now and they can actually race. I watched my driver run multiple grooves all night long. Kahne not being able to get around Kenseth was a result of Kenseth having the preferred line being able to carry the speed off of the turns. That's nothing new. Kahne could have punted him like they used to do in days gone by and he certainly would have gotten around him. I was waiting for it but he never did. Those two guys put on a great show of racing at the end of that event and showed just how skilled they are. It doesn't take a whole lot of skill to bump another car out of the way but it sure does to turn laps sided by side like those two did at the end of that one. Great racing IMO.
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Exactly! I don't know what race these other guys watched dp, but the one I watched was freaking awesome!
 
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Another question comes to mind. How does a car know if it's in dirty or clean air at Bristol? Other than the first few laps after a restart @ Bristol, the field is so strung out that I can't understand how it even matters. The leader is the leader because he's fast. It's not rocket science here.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Another question comes to mind. How does a car know if it's in dirty or clean air at Bristol? Other than the first few laps after a restart @ Bristol, the field is so strung out that I can't understand how it even matters. The leader is the leader because he's fast. It's not rocket science here.
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Its a short track aero doesn't mean as much
 
Mopardh9 said:
Exactly! I don't what race these other guys watched dp, but the one I watched was freaking awesome!
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We talked to a lot of people back at the campground after the race the other night. Other than the one Jimmie Johnson fan everyone agreed that it was one of the best that they've seen there in years. I'll get around to watching my recording of the race sometime soon. I'll be interested to see how it played out on television.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
We talked to a lot of people back at the campground after the race the other night. Other than the one Jimmie Johnson fan everyone agreed that it was one of the best that they've seen there in years. I'll get around to watching my recording of the race sometime soon. I'll be interested to see how it played out on television.
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I was over my nephews watching it with 8 other people who are avid race fans, I'm talking serious fans that know Nascar, we all agreed it was one of the best Bristol races in the last 10 years.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I was over my nephews watching it with 8 other people who are avid race fans, I'm talking serious fans that know Nascar, we all agreed it was one of the best Bristol races in the last 10 years.
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You know what else was good, Danielle Peck. grrrr I'm not sure if they showed her singing God Bless America before the race or not but after she was done she came back up through the stands past our seats heading for one of the luxury boxes I assume. Damn she looks fine.....Coming and going. I'm just sayin. :cool:
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
You know what else was good, Danielle Peck. grrrr I'm not sure if they showed her singing God Bless America before the race or not but after she was done she came back up through the stands past our seats heading for one of the luxury boxes I assume. Damn she looks fine.....Coming and going. I'm just sayin. :cool:
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oh yeh a hottie
 
the biggest thing I saw with bristol is it seemed to be the great equalizer with cars. we saw labonte run well, we saw front row cars run well and even finish well. it was almost like talledega in that the underfunded teams could run well. I haven't seen anything like it on a track like that. the most interesting thing was the line montoya took, that was a powerful line for passing cars. I think when guys come back they are going to be working on perfecting what the 42 car was doing because you can pass alot of cars with that line. The race looked very well attended. I don't know if they lowered ticket prices but I would put attendance well ahead of the spring race. I also would say the race had the drama of the old track. look bristol is supposed to be the best race of the year. we are all looking for it especially the night race. Its easy for people to say it wasn't this or that because that is the expectation. they ground off the top groove but its still the preferred line, it seems like they got the opposite of what they wanted, at the same time I think the drama the track creates is there. this race was still way better than most 1.5 mile tracks, although we should see a decent race at atlanta with its cheese grader pavement.
 
Mopardh9 said:
You must of watched a different race than I did, I saw 3 wide passing, saw guys go from the back to the front and then do it all over again, seriously this was the BEST BRISTOL race I've seen in at least 10 years.
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Aha? 3wide passing? There was no such thing.

There was a few attempts at 3wide situations but no one made pases like that. I mean if you count 2 guys letting off the gas so they would not wreck then I guess.

And correction, you saw Gordon and Logano come from teh back multiple times. You're making it sound like every car did that.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I had to quit reading most of the posts after half way or so through this thread. One groove? I guess I'll have to see what they showed on TV because the track was anything but. Before the reconfiguration of the track it was one groove..... The bottom. About the only way around was to push someone out of the way. Multiple lanes are opened up now and they can actually race. I watched my driver run multiple grooves all night long. Kahne not being able to get around Kenseth was a result of Kenseth having the preferred line being able to carry the speed off of the turns. That's nothing new. Kahne could have punted him like they used to do in days gone by and he certainly would have gotten around him. I was waiting for it but he never did. Those two guys put on a great show of racing at the end of that event and showed just how skilled they are. It doesn't take a whole lot of skill to bump another car out of the way but it sure does to turn laps sided by side like those two did at the end of that one. Great racing IMO.
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Gee, I could have sworn I saw the faster car with 4 fresh tires get pawned by Matt on 150 lap left sides simply because he had the preferred line. THAT was the perfect scenario for a bump and run, which doesn't damage the car when done properly. Besides, aero doesn't matter at Bristol.

I was an excellent race, especially compared with what we've been seeing the past few years. Most of the excitement came from the lappers running the high line as if the track hadn't changed.
 
FenderBumper said:
Gee, I could have sworn I saw the faster car with 4 fresh tires get pawned by Matt on 150 lap left sides simply because he had the preferred line. THAT was the perfect scenario for a bump and run, which doesn't damage the car when done properly. Besides, aero doesn't matter at Bristol.

I was an excellent race, especially compared with what we've been seeing the past few years. Most of the excitement came from the lappers running the high line as if the track hadn't changed.
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If you're thinking of the bump and run of the old days that was when the preferred line was around the bottom of the track and not when Matt was running the wall. A bump and run there likely would have resulted in Juan Pablo Montoya's first NASCAR oval win.

I agree about the aero. It doesn't matter there.
 
Bump and runs can be so much fun when your driver is doing it to someone else . Some slower lapped car takes your driver out of chase contention or actually injures him , and the bump and run ain't so much fun anymore.
 
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