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Jorge De Guzman

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The NASCAR Cup circuit is off to the Irish Hills of Brooklyn, Michigan as the Series makes its only stop of the season at the very fast Michigan International Speedway. With only 1 race to go after this one until the NASCAR Cup Playoffs start, Stage points and Playoff Points will be at a premium as the jockeying for playoff position intensifies.
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There will be no practice or qualifying for the Michigan race.
WEEKEND ON-TRACK SCHEDULE
Saturday, August 21
4:30 PM NCS ROOKIE MEETING (VIRTUAL)
5:00 PM NCS DRIVER / CREW CHIEF MEETING (VIRTUAL)
Sunday, August 22
6:00 AM-8:00 AM NCS HAULERS ENTER (EQUIPMENT UNLOADING)
8:00 AM NCS GARAGE OPEN
9:00 AM NCS VIP GARAGE ACCESS PERMITTED
1:30 PM NCS GRID ACCESS OPEN TO PROPERLY CREDENTIALED GUESTS
2:40 PM NCS DRIVERS REPORT TO VEHICLES (GRID LOCATION)
2:45 PM NCS DRIVER INTRODUCTIONS (DRIVERS STANDING BY CARS)
3:00 PM NCS RACE (STAGES 60/120/200 LAPS = 400 MILES )
 
donthaveanickname said:
The best part of this weekend used to be the truck race which unfortunately won't take place this year.
Michigan is perhaps the track that has been hurt the most by "the package". The last four races there have all been follow-the-leader track position races.
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It's showing the truck race is on Friday 9 pm FS1
 
donthaveanickname said:
The best part of this weekend used to be the truck race which unfortunately won't take place this year.
Michigan is perhaps the track that has been hurt the most by "the package". The last four races there have all been follow-the-leader track position races.
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Agreed. Barreling in at 215 and braking down to 165 was awesome to watch and rewarded daring and skilled driving. Now? Mat it and turn.
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
So how much will Larson win by?
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I think this is about as sure a thing as Chase at Road Courses.

Larson won 3 in a row here for CGR. Driving for HMS, while HMS is whooping the field? Should go like the 600, imo.

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Dr_B_UNC said:
Agreed. Barreling in at 215 and braking down to 165 was awesome to watch and rewarded daring and skilled driving. Now? Mat it and turn.
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My heart breaks.

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With resin that was used at Nashville but never at Michigan so it could be interesting either way pass or fail.
 
that front row might put themselves into another zip code after a few laps lol
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
Agreed. Barreling in at 215 and braking down to 165 was awesome to watch and rewarded daring and skilled driving. Now? Mat it and turn.
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They weren’t braking down to 165 lol. Gordon ran a 206 MPH lap in qualifying here, they definitely were holding around 180-185 into turns.

Also let’s not romanticize it too much guys, in recent years clean air and such high entry speeds made passing nearly impossible. If anything for the sake of competition this is the one place that needed lower HP and drafting. Not Daytona/Talladega but definitely the ability to get a run down the straightaway
 
Mispeedway15 said:
They weren’t braking down to 165 lol. Gordon ran a 206 MPH lap in qualifying here, they definitely were holding around 180-185 into turns.

Also let’s not romanticize it too much guys, in recent years clean air and such high entry speeds made passing nearly impossible. If anything for the sake of competition this is the one place that needed lower HP and drafting. Not Daytona/Talladega but definitely the ability to get a run down the straightaway
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They were braking to 165 during long green flag runs....

And in recent years the lack of passing was due to the LACK of horsepower and high downforce because everyone was essentially running the same car. Look at Michigan races from the past and you will see there was a ton of passing.
 
RacerrecaR said:
They were braking to 165 during long green flag runs....

And in recent years the lack of passing was due to the LACK of horsepower and high downforce because everyone was essentially running the same car. Look at Michigan races from the past and you will see there was a ton of passing.
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not really. At the height of the recent high HP and low d/f 2017 there were 8 passes for the lead and 11.6 per green flag lap. Last year there were 12 passes for the lead and 20.8 per green flag lap. I know that is tough for flat footers to swallow..excuses are plentiful, but thems the stats. Michigan was a single file follow the leader parade.
 
StandOnIt said:
not really. At the height of the recent high HP and low d/f 2017 there were 8 passes for the lead and 11.6 per green flag lap. Last year there were 12 passes for the lead and 20.8 per green flag lap. I know that is tough for flat footers to swallow..excuses are plentiful, but thems the stats. Michigan was a single file follow the leader parade.
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Were those numbers skewed due to extra restarts from stages?
 
StandOnIt said:
Both of those are green flag laps. 2017 had 8 cautions and 2020 had 9
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Ok. My original point for passing and corner speeds was mid-90's to about 2012...when i thought Michigan was one of the better tracks on the schedule. I probably should have worded it better
 
RacerrecaR said:
Won't matter because STAGE RACING FOR PLAYOFF POINTS
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That’s true! The days of a driver completely checking out and driving away with a 400 mile race don’t happen AS easily as they once did.
 
jaqua19 said:
I think this is about as sure a thing as Chase at Road Courses.

Larson won 3 in a row here for CGR. Driving for HMS, while HMS is whooping the field? Should go like the 600, imo.

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Well, as we've seen, the 9 team has lost their mojo at road courses (to a great extent) so...
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
Well, as we've seen, the 9 team has lost their mojo at road courses (to a great extent) so...
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Have they tho? Should've won the Daytona RC (love those rainbows), ran 2nd at Sonoma which is his best finish there, won COTA, won Road America, would have won the Glen by 10 seconds without the flat spot or possibly even the pre race penalty, and was in it until the end at a new venue Sunday.

He'll 3-peat at the roval in the payoffs and I'd bet a lot of money on it.
 
AdoubleU24 said:
Have they tho? Should've won the Daytona RC (love those rainbows), ran 2nd at Sonoma which is his best finish there, won COTA, won Road America, would have won the Glen by 10 seconds without the flat spot or possibly even the pre race penalty, and was in it until the end at a new venue Sunday.

He'll 3-peat at the roval in the payoffs and I'd bet a lot of money on it.
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Agreed, that's fair. He wins Daytona and WG hands down without the f***ery. Roval's the last winnable race for them this season, but I hope I'm wrong. (I have slight hopes for Bristol, Martinsville, Phoenix)
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
Agreed, that's fair. He wins Daytona and WG hands down without the f***ery. Roval's the last winnable race for them this season, but I hope I'm wrong. (I have slight hopes for Bristol, Martinsville, Phoenix)
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I think Chase is going to be a problem at Martinsville (he figured that place out last year).
 
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