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StandOnIt said:
you are the one who called Roush second tier support bud. Not me. Penske was wooed over to Ford and then after two years of Roush continuing to crater SHR was brought on board
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SHR went to Ford first, meaning, SHR started the ball rolling, not that it matters, splitting hairs at this point I guess
 
Fordracing7 said:
To clarify that's teams like Roush, RPM, RCR, compared to teams like FRM,LFR. Teams that get manufacture support but are second tier teams. I.e Roush.
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Roush Industries and Roush Performance have business relationships with Ford that are decades old. They employ more than 5,000 people. The scope of those relationships dwarfs the Roush NASCAR operation.

Roush Racing is fully supported by Dave Pericak and Ford. They get everything Penske gets. What they do with the money, the wind tunnel data and the chassis dynamics information generated by Ford determines their performance. That's on them.
 
jws926 said:
SHR went to Ford first, meaning, SHR started the ball rolling, not that it matters, splitting hairs at this point I guess
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not the way I heard it. In context Roush had lost Kenseth and Edwards at this point.
Ford lured Tony Stewart's four-car operation away from Chevrolet early last year in a deal that begins this season. SHR and Ford announced the partnership nearly a year in advance, then had to wait as SHR fulfilled its contract with Chevy through the end of last year.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...s-to-publicly-celebrate-signing-shr/96736076/
 
aunty dive said:
Roush Industries and Roush Performance have business relationships with Ford that are decades old. They employ more than 5,000 people. The scope of those relationships dwarfs the Roush NASCAR operation.

Roush Racing is fully supported by Dave Pericak and Ford. They get everything Penske gets. What they do with the money, the wind tunnel data and the chassis dynamics information generated by Ford determines their performance. That's on them.
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Once again totally agree, not talking about support at all, simply results. Who out performs one another Roush or Penske????obviously you both are missing my point.
 
What the teams do with the support in terms of performance and results is up to each of them.

In other words, as always, it's the people that make the difference
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
If memory serves Roger pulled the plug on Dodge for Ford and Dodge was in some sort of discussion with Michael Andretti before folding their tent. Roger is expedient not loyal.
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Roger is a business man and that business is all about getting the right deal for him and his companies.
I think a few people have short memories, Dodge would NOT sign a long term deal and Ford did. Business is business. Roger is the only BILLIONAIRE in Nascar.
 
aunty dive said:
What the teams do with the support in terms of performance and results is up to each of them.

In other words, as always, it's the people that make the difference
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Totally true. Therefore the people and results are not as good as the top dogs in the sport anymore so therefore they are second tier.
 
Team Penske said:
Roger is a business man and that business is all about getting the right deal for him and his companies.
I think a few people have short memories, Dodge would NOT sign a long term deal and Ford did. Business is business. Roger is the only BILLIONAIRE in Nascar.
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If I am not mistaken, right in the big middle of the switch Dodge got bought out by Fiat and there went that
 
Fordracing7 said:
Totally true. Therefore the people and results are not as good as the top dogs in the sport anymore so therefore they are second tier.
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Some teams are better than others. That can change with a couple of the right hires ... see Ganassi.

Roush has been changing personnel for the past 2 years. That looks like it's starting to pay off. Time will tell.
 
aunty dive said:
Some teams are better than others. That can change with a couple of the right hires ... see Ganassi.

Roush has been changing personnel for the past 2 years. That looks like it's starting to pay off. Time will tell.
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Very true
For sure 2 years ago I would have considered Ganassi 2nd tier too.
 
From the podcast, Dave Pericak seemed very strong in his statement that Ford's Nascar and sports car racing programs have strong support from the new CEO and top management. He said Ford Performance is regarded as one of the core pillars of the company. As always, action speaks louder than words, but he could not have stated it any stronger. That was my main takeaway from this podcast... glad to hear it.
 
Fordracing7 said:
Very true
For sure 2 years ago I would have considered Ganassi 2nd tier too.
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I agree with what you are saying as RFR has performed like a second tier outfit in the last few years and has not shown anything to indicate it is ready to challenge Penske for supremacy amongst the Ford group. I think it was last year they hired some engineer that walked on water that was supposed to get things turned around but if it is happening it is happening slowly.

They went from having 5 cars and top drivers to 2 cars with 2 drivers that have each won a plate race and plate wins are not indicative of success at other tracks so make of them what you will. If going from a championship winning organization that regularly won races down to a 2 car operation that is mediocre at best doesn't qualify as second tier IDK what does.
 
No idea....Penske and Ganassi I'm guessing? Maybe RPM still was?

My point is Penske doesn't have allegiance to a MFG like Roush, Woods, Childress, and Hendrick have shown. Since I've watched they have been Pontiacs, Fords, Dodges, and Fords.
 
Talking heads making a big deal out of the win less Gibbs toydoters. Stewie Haas is one win in all 4 cars. Stewart is probably a bit harder to get a mic under to ask about it I would bet. :D
 
StandOnIt said:
Talking heads making a big deal out of the win less Gibbs toydoters. Stewie Haas is win less all 4 cars. Stewart is probably a bit harder to get a mic under to ask about it I would bet. :D
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I am more shocked with JGR, and so should the media. These guys are suppose to be at the stride in peak performance, sans Suarez. SHR is still trying to figure out Ford and are just barely pumping out their own chassis.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
I am more shocked with JGR, and so should the media. These guys are suppose to be at the stride in peak performance, sans Suarez. SHR is still trying to figure out Ford and are just barely pumping out their own chassis.
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Yes exactly gibbs should be light speed ahead of SHR
 
Both teams surprised me I thought both would be bumping heads. right now IMO Kyle has been knocking on the door quite a bit, but Stewart Haas hasn't done much since Kurt won Daytona.
 
Ford 222 said:
My point is Penske doesn't have allegiance to a MFG like Roush, Woods, Childress, and Hendrick have shown. Since I've watched they have been Pontiacs, Fords, Dodges, and Fords.
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I'd say that Penske is motivated by race wins. He'll go wherever he has to to get those.

Beyond that, his world-wide retail automotive empire, whose 2014 assets were somewhere in the neighborhood of 8 Billion dollars with 16.6 Billion in revenues, sells cars representing 40 different manufacturers through its network of 150 dealerships in the US and hundreds more around the world. The behemoth has in excess of 25,000 employees.

Mebbe he'll switch to KIA.
 
StandOnIt said:
Both teams surprised me I thought both would be bumping heads. right now IMO Kyle has been knocking on the door quite a bit, but Stewart Haas hasn't done much since Kurt won Daytona.
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Harvick has had the speed to start races, but seems like his cars have been falling off more towards the end of races.
 
Seem to recall someone sayin' SHR had a learnin' curve to face with the Fords.

Seem to recall that someone gettin' poo-pooed by the experts..................
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Harvick has had the speed to start races, but seems like his cars have been falling off more towards the end of races.
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yeah I didn't pay much attention to what Harvick was saying at the start of the season, about having to build all these new frames, not having data on how the car drives on and on. Childers was saying the same thing. I thought they were kinda blowing smoke for their competitors. Maybe they will come on stronger the second time they show up at these tracks. Childers was saying the Ford motor set in the frame different than the Chevy and that was a problem because none of their frames worked
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah I didn't pay much attention to what Harvick was saying at the start of the season, about having to build all these new frames, not having data on how the car drives on and on. Childers was saying the same thing. I thought they were kinda blowing smoke for their competitors. Maybe they will come on stronger the second time they show up at these tracks. Childers was saying the Ford motor set in the frame different than the Chevy and that was a problem because none of their frames worked
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Yes, if I remember correctly just weeks before Daytona Childers was commenting on how far they were actually behind because they had to machine parts and retro fit all their current chassis just to fit the Ford engine. I see the 4, 14, and 41 all running much better the second half of the season, and probably competing for more wins. Also Kurt has had just awful luck to start the season as well.
 
aunty dive said:
Why would someone make a disparaging remark about Roger Penske?
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That remark was not disparaging but tongue in cheek. A disparaging remark would be "Roger Penske is a past his prime octogenarian that hurts his business ventures more than helps."
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
That remark was not disparaging but tongue in cheek. A disparaging remark would be "Roger Penske is a past his prime octogenarian that hurts his business ventures more than helps."
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Hey that's a Roush blow ;)
 
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