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So we had the G-W-C rule for all three top series for a few seasons now, what is everyone's opinion on it?

Honestly, I would not be sad to see it go, It did not improve the product on the track for me and all it did was breed more cautions. I have never seen a G-W-C finish where you only had the one re-start and that was it. I doubt the rule was created for the driver either, it was created purely for the entertainment of the fans. Well as a fan, I am not entertained.

I would suggest that for the last 10 laps of a race, that the caution laps do not count, but honestly I doubt that'd actually be any better than the G-W-C. So I say repeal the G-W-C and just have the fans accept the fact that some races are going to finish under cautions.
 
I love it, it can be the best part of an otherwise lousy race (most 1.5s) and my driver is good at making them work to his advantage. Hope they arent going to screw this up too.
 
What they finish with only 1 all the time it has been rare to have multiple. I love them and would hate to see them go back to finish under yellow, I would actually prefer no limit to the number, as well as not freezing the field on the last lap.
 
GWCs are usually very entertaining and exciting, but most of the time, the driver who would've won had the caution not come out does not win. I don't like that part.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I'm sure I'm in the minority but I'd like to see it go too. It's pretty Mickey Mouse when you think about it, and I'll bet crew chiefs hate it when strategizing since you don't know for sure how many laps the race will actually go.
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Mickey Mouse?
 
FLRacingFan said:
I'm sure I'm in the minority but I'd like to see it go too. It's pretty Mickey Mouse when you think about it, and I'll bet crew chiefs hate it when strategizing since you don't know for sure how many laps the race will actually go.
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Not a fan of it either, but if Cup does go to Road America, I'd love to see GWC fuel strategy since the place is 4 miles around and multiple GWCs + caution laps could mak for some fun late race fuel strategy.
 
I personally enjoy it. What happens when two cars are racing their hearts out, then right when guy #2 is making a run, the caution comes out and the race is over? Should that be guy #2's fault because he should have been racing to lap 299 instead of lap 300? We typically only see it take more than one try at the road course and that's obviously because it's such a long track. Daytona and Talladega usually take a lap to get up to pace, so there's really no action until the 2nd lap anyway.
 
Brent said:
I personally enjoy it. What happens when two cars are racing their hearts out, then right when guy #2 is making a run, the caution comes out and the race is over? Should that be guy #2's fault because he should have been racing to lap 299 instead of lap 300? We typically only see it take more than one try at the road course and that's obviously because it's such a long track. Daytona and Talladega usually take a lap to get up to pace, so there's really no action until the 2nd lap anyway.
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At the same time, what if the first place guy been racing his heart out, he's been making the right call and been running hot all day. The caution comes out and sets it up for a G-W-C finish. At the first G-W-C attempt, he gets wrecked out by the guy behind him because the pressure has now been cranked up to 11. Should the guy that's been running hot and making the right calls throughout the entire race lose the win because some dumbass don't know how to race under pressure?
 
SpeedPagan said:
At the same time, what if the first place guy been racing his heart out, he's been making the right call and been running hot all day. The caution comes out and sets it up for a G-W-C finish. At the first G-W-C attempt, he gets wrecked out by the guy behind him because the pressure has now been cranked up to 11. Should the guy that's been running hot and making the right calls throughout the entire race lose the win because some dumbass don't know how to race under pressure?
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Both good points. Just like everything, there's an upside and downside.
 
SpeedPagan said:
At the same time, what if the first place guy been racing his heart out, he's been making the right call and been running hot all day. The caution comes out and sets it up for a G-W-C finish. At the first G-W-C attempt, he gets wrecked out by the guy behind him because the pressure has now been cranked up to 11. Should the guy that's been running hot and making the right calls throughout the entire race lose the win because some dumbass don't know how to race under pressure?
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From a pure "fairness towards the driver" standpoint, I think it'd be better to finish under caution because of this exact point. It would definitely suck to dominate a race, lead 200 laps, and then mess up the last restart and only have one lap to recover. However, I definitely do enjoy the excitement of the GWC.
 
I like the GWC. What I don't care for at atleast half of the tracks are side by side restarts. Especially gwc's. Single file restarts keep everyone honest. JMO
 
GWC is a must keep. I enjoy it. The new or first time watcher would probably agree. What would the new fan enjoy more? A race ending under caution/checkers? Or a great two lap shoot out full of excitement?

Remeber, this sport was always used to growing new fans. Now it is different, we are trying to get people back and get new folks interested. A GWC will always win in this situation.

I do see both sides though.
 
Races still have ended under caution with the 3 GWC crap though.
 
I only wish the caution laps wouldn't count. Jeez.... when it's getting close and they run so many laps under caution and you're afraid the guys can't get up to speed to contend for the win.... Frustrating!
 
One of the best changes of the format of NASCAR racing. GWC, double file restarts, the elimination of racing through a wreck to the caution flag, and now the new qualifying procedure have all been good changes IMO. They've made an attempt to give us fans a race to the checkered flag. I can't find much fault in that.
 
I've got a aunt who will be 103 this year. I swear she can hop in and out of a vehicle faster than the officials following a incident with under 10 laps tp go. It's almost like it has been scripted to have a G-W-C. Welcome to the WWF/Nascar series.
Caution laps with just 25 to go should not count and a minimum of 5 laps full bore racing before the checkers fly
 
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Gimmick. Nascar is getting to the point that it has more gimmicks than cricket . Teaching a new fan the rules gets tougher every year.Just think , when Nascar started , you lined the cars up and at the finish line , the best car won. Simple.
 
The GWC rule has been in effect for just under 10 years now. It was implemented in July 2004 for all three Series. In February 2010 they changed the rule to have a max of three GWC attempts.
 
Would much rather that race to finish than to have a G/W/C. IOWs, if there is a wreck with two laps to go, freeze the field and have a single file restart. It takes something away from the teams that work hard, strategize and use every trick in the book to stay out front and have a car that is - for the sake of argument - two or three car lengths in front only to have a caution, w/with the tires giving up and still maintaining the lead, then lose any advantage to the second place car with a double file restart. If they want to use G/W/C, then single file restart when ten or fewer laps are left. Of course, like all opinions on any subject on this forum, my opinion and about $1.50 will buy a cup of coffee in just about any truck stop in the U.S. of A. :)
 
Whizzer said:
Would much rather that race to finish than to have a G/W/C. IOWs, if there is a wreck with two laps to go, freeze the field and have a single file restart. It takes something away from the teams that work hard, strategize and use every trick in the book to stay out front and have a car that is - for the sake of argument - two or three car lengths in front only to have a caution, w/with the tires giving up and still maintaining the lead, then lose any advantage to the second place car with a double file restart. If they want to use G/W/C, then single file restart when ten or fewer laps are left. Of course, like all opinions on any subject on this forum, my opinion and about $1.50 will buy a cup of coffee in just about any truck stop in the U.S. of A. :)
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Even better , the leader has managed his fuel and tires , only to lose to a slow car that opts to pit for fuel and tires . If you have to have GWC , than keep pit road closed .
 
GWC was the best thing implemented in a long long time. Too many times over the years has a caution come out with four or five laps left, only to have the cars run four or five laps under yellow because it took a while to clean up whatever the mess was. Talk about a race-ruiner. With the GWC, that is almost guaranteed not to happen.

Conversely, they have been known to intentionally drag out a caution flag just so they could force a GWC for drama. That, I dislike.
 
I hate the fact that if there is a caution on the last lap, the field is frozen and race is over. It's basically like finishing under yellow. Lettem race. Why not do a GWC for a caution on the last lap instead?

Other than that I'm ok with the GWC
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
One of the best changes of the format of NASCAR racing. GWC, double file restarts, the elimination of racing through a wreck to the caution flag, and now the new qualifying procedure have all been good changes IMO. They've made an attempt to give us fans a race to the checkered flag. I can't find much fault in that.
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Agreed.

Now just eliminate the silly "lucky dog" award and it'll be about as good as it can get.

Oh crap, somehow I keep forgetting about those dreaded phantom debris cautions.

Nothing's perfect, I guess . . .
 
pjmolo said:
Agreed.

Now just eliminate the silly "lucky dog" award and it'll be about as good as it can get.

Oh crap, somehow I keep forgetting about those dreaded phantom debris cautions.

Nothing's perfect, I guess . . .
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Lucky dog , GWC , side by side retarts , chase , pit road speed , drive around , yellow line , restart box ,knock out qualifying , win and you're in , ........fastest car wins ? No way !
 
ted@economy said:
Lucky dog , GWC , side by side retarts , chase , pit road speed , drive around , yellow line , restart box ,knock out qualifying , win and you're in , ........fastest car wins ? No way !
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Don't forget racing on concrete and asphalt. Back to the beach, I say, where it started and should've stayed :)
 
ted@economy said:
Lucky dog , GWC , side by side retarts , chase , pit road speed , drive around , yellow line , restart box ,knock out qualifying , win and you're in , ........fastest car wins ? No way !
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You left out phantom debris cautions. :D
 
pjmolo said:
You left out phantom debris cautions. :D
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I likely forgot a lot of things . The point is , manufactured drama is more important than actual racing and it's causing me to lose interest. This is supposed to be real life , not a movie with a happy ending . What would really be wrong with having a race without a photofinish?
 
ted@economy said:
I likely forgot a lot of things . The point is , manufactured drama is more important than actual racing and it's causing me to lose interest. This is supposed to be real life , not a movie with a happy ending . What would really be wrong with having a race without a photofinish?
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I couldn't agree more.
 
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