GMS going cup racing in 2022

SpeedPagan said:
Are there enough charters to go around for all these new teams wanting to enter NASCAR in 2022?
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I'm not underestimating the value of a charter but the #37 and Preece are at least getting by without one SO FAR. They have sponsorship issues, and receiving the extra income that comes with a charter would certainly help. But with a couple of breaks, it looks like it can be done.
 
My guess is that it isn't mandatory for a race team to survive with a charter because of the reduced prices for the cars and the motor rules. Nascar said a long time ago that they were trying to attract more manufacturers into the sport but the costs were too high. They left out the part that it is easier for existing teams to move up. This is going to piss some off, but I would rather see 5 new good cars show up and run 550 HP than lose 5 more than they have at 750 or more HP
 
SpeedPagan said:
IMHO, 2022 would be a good time to get rid of the charter system and just set a field size (40, 45 etc.) and just let people Qualify their way into the show.
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NASCAR can't do anything till '25, the current Charter agreements run thru '24(IIRC)
 
jws926 said:
NASCAR can't do anything till '25, the current Charter agreements run thru '24(IIRC)
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The agreements *can* be changed at any time but the costs and hassle associated with it aren't ideal. 99% chance the charter system not only stays through 2024, but is also extended beyond that at least a few years.

I realize the financial benefits of charters but it really waters down the on-track product because those teams are guaranteed a starting spot. I miss the days of 3-7 cars going home every week
 
RacerrecaR said:
The agreements *can* be changed at any time but the costs and hassle associated with it aren't ideal. 99% chance the charter system not only stays through 2024, but is also extended beyond that at least a few years.

I realize the financial benefits of charters but it really waters down the on-track product because those teams are guaranteed a starting spot. I miss the days of 3-7 cars going home every week
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There were previous mechanisms guaranteeing teams a spot in the field. That didn't start with the charters. And starting spots are being left open most weeks anyway.
 
StandOnIt said:
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The biggest argument for the horsepower reductions was the ability for new manufactures to step into NASCAR. They’ve had reduced horsepower for 7 seasons and not a single new manufacturer has arrived. The “new manufacture” campaign is useless.

There are new teams willing to go Cup racing. They should have the ability to own a charter and not be held back because NASCAR can’t figure out how to bring Honda to the table.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
The biggest argument for the horsepower reductions was the ability for new manufactures to step into NASCAR. They’ve had reduced horsepower for 7 seasons and not a single new manufacturer has arrived. The “new manufacture” campaign is useless.

There are new teams willing to go Cup racing. They should have the ability to own a charter and not be held back because NASCAR can’t figure out how to bring Honda to the table.
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That isn't the biggest argument. Less horsepower extends the engine life and the teams can only have so many engines a year instead of a new one every race. That might make it more inviting to a new OEM, but for teams already in the sport it is a big money saver. Along the same lines, teams are limited in how many tires they get per race.
 
StandOnIt said:
teams can only have so many engines a year instead of a new one every race. .
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This rule was instituted in 2018, long after they started scrambling to reduce HP in 2015. If horsepower reducing engine life was a serious concern the rule would have been established in connection with the HP rule changes in the same year. It’s just another desperate plea for new OEMs to come to the table and it’s been a failure for almost a decade. Things like this should not limit teams like GMS from obtaining a charter.
 
aunty dive said:
Unfortunately, that’s not how a professional sports franchising system works.
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That’s not how this professional sports franchising system works.

Their criteria for 36 charters was based on a 2016 study of the number of teams that consistently attempted to qualify for each race for the prior 3 years. 2013, 2014, and 2015.

It’s been 5 seasons since that number of charters was determined. There are now an expanding number of new teams who are committed to go Cup racing full time. NASCAR should expand their outdated methodology if they truly value the idea of a clear path to ownership in their premier series.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
That’s not how this professional sports franchising system works.

Their criteria for 36 charters was based on a 2016 study of the number of teams that consistently attempted to qualify for each race for the prior 3 years. 2013, 2014, and 2015.

It’s been 5 seasons since that number of charters was determined. There are now an expanding number of new teams who are committed to go Cup racing full time. NASCAR should expand their outdated methodology if they truly value the idea of a clear path to ownership in their premier series.
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I agree with this in the sense that when you look at traditional sports, they create expansion teams based on the needs of the market. When it's determined that a city can support and wants a team then they add a new franchise to capitalize on that. It's very similar to a bunch of new organizations wanting to field new Cup teams but in this case it's would-be owners as opposed to would-be home cities/stadiums.
 
cheesepuffs said:
I agree with this in the sense that when you look at traditional sports, they create expansion teams based on the needs of the market. When it's determined that a city can support and wants a team then they add a new franchise to capitalize on that. It's very similar to a bunch of new organizations wanting to field new Cup teams but in this case it's would-be owners as opposed to would-be home cities/stadiums.
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Where do the multi-million dollar franchise fees go?
 
ChexOrWrex said:
That’s not how this professional sports franchising system works.

Their criteria for 36 charters was based on a 2016 study of the number of teams that consistently attempted to qualify for each race for the prior 3 years. 2013, 2014, and 2015.

It’s been 5 seasons since that number of charters was determined. There are now an expanding number of new teams who are committed to go Cup racing full time. NASCAR should expand their outdated methodology if they truly value the idea of a clear path to ownership in their premier series.
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If the number of charters is increased, who pays the required additional prize money?
 
It is doing what it was designed to do. If a team went bust and sold out, they got pennies on the dollar for the equipment they could sell. Flooding the market with charters takes away from the worth of the ones that do have charters. Just because a team wants to go cup racing doesn't mean they should have a charter if none are available. They are free to race in the Xfinity or Truck series.
 
“Simply stated, this ownership charter is the NASCAR equivalent to stick and ball franchises like the New York Yankees or Los Angeles Lakers. The idea is that every car number exists like a professional sports team.”

www.autoweek.com

How NASCAR's Ownership Charter System Works

Here is the complete transactional history of every Cup Series charter.
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ChexOrWrex said:
The biggest argument for the horsepower reductions was the ability for new manufactures to step into NASCAR. They’ve had reduced horsepower for 7 seasons and not a single new manufacturer has arrived. The “new manufacture” campaign is useless.

There are new teams willing to go Cup racing. They should have the ability to own a charter and not be held back because NASCAR can’t figure out how to bring Honda to the table.
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Give it time.
 
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