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CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- A photo depicting the winning driver firing blanks from six-shooters is part of the tradition of Victory Lane celebrations at Texas Motor Speedway. But if a Sprint Cup team or sponsor is opposed to the practice for the April 13 National Rifle Association-sponsored Sprint Cup race, track president Eddie Gossage is willing to alter it.



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Gossage said he will begin meeting with team owners this weekend at Las Vegas Motor Speedway to see if a potential conflict exists.


"I want to be sensitive to the teams and their sponsors and didn't want to place anybody in a potentially compromising position," Gossage told ESPN.com on Tuesday, the day after he announced his upcoming Cup race would be called the NRA 500.
http://espn.go.com/dallas/story/_/i...illing-alter-victory-lane-celebration-nra-500

Figured we will see where this goes?
 
Just another sickening example of the liberal Nazi PC police where shooting a cap gun at a race track is insensitive to shooting victims. Is there any other political group that uses tragedies to promote their agenda better than the left?
 
I hate to say this with the lack of sponsors we have now, but if a sponsor can't handle their driver firing blanks during a victory celebration, they should reconsider being in NASCAR. Don't mess with our victory tradition that most NASCAR fans enjoy.
 
Now this is an interesting situation. Nascar drivers aren't given a choice about what they can say of the Gen6 and there's uproar. Nascar drivers are given a choice about victory lane celebration and again there's uproar.

I don't read in that article where anyone is being kept from celebrating in the traditional manner but instead are given other options. I can't imagine how or why this would offend anyone.

Maybe a comprimise could be reached by loading real bullets and blowing 12 holes through the Gen6 :D

Anyway, it's always good to cause a buzz before the event and get people talking.
 
#17D500winner said:
Now this is an interesting situation. Nascar drivers aren't given a choice about what they can say of the Gen6 and there's uproar. Nascar drivers are given a choice about victory lane celebration and again there's uproar.

I don't read in that article where anyone is being kept from celebrating in the traditional manner but instead are given other options. I can't imagine how or why this would offend anyone.

Maybe a comprimise could be reached by loading real bullets and blowing 12 holes through the Gen6 :D

Anyway, it's always good to cause a buzz before the event and get people talking.
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It's how this 'choice' came about. Gossage and sponsors are forced to react to pressure like this:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/sto...convenient-but-not-compromising-030713#!clAsK

For the better part of two days, I tried to muster outrage over the National Rifle Association’s sponsorship of a NASCAR race. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t do it.

I read and re-read the letter Wayne LaPierre, the executive vice president of the NRA, penned in some gun magazine that called me a “radical journalist” and mischaracterized words I’d spoken inartfully as words I’d written. Nothing. No sustainable outrage.
I thought about the Newtown massacre and racer Michael Waltrip’s beautiful tribute to its victims and how it would all be undermined by the NRA’s politicization of a Sprint Cup race. Nope. No sustainable outrage.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51084328/...d_ct/t/sen-murphy-asks-nascar-reconsider-nra/

The Connecticut senator sent a letter to Brian France, chairman and CEO of the National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing on Thursday, urging him to reconsider the financial agreement that makes the NRA the title sponsor of the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series race on April 13 in Texas.
“After the horrific mass shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, which claimed the lives of 20 children and six educators, the NRA has taken an unprecedented extreme position in the debate over the proper response to this tragedy, placing themselves at odds with the overwhelming majority of the American people, and even their own members,” Murphy wrote in the letter. “Given the emotional state of the national conversation, I believe it would be imprudent for NASCAR to step into such a heated political debate and take sides in this debate by allowing the NRA the title role in the race.”

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I don't think the track ever forced a driver to hold up those guns and blast away. Now it's all about people pressuring others because they don't like what the NRA said.
 
So how long before we are no longer able to watch Gunsmoke, Rawhide , or see some good old John Wayne movies because a group of Zealots have deemed them unfit because they contain guns?
 
As my first post on this forum, I would like to also say that by giving teams an option and hearing their opinions can be taken as offensive in any way.
And its not like things like this dont happen when there is potential controversy or questionable marketing; Winston is no longer the series sponsor, and tobacco companies cant advertise on cars. Its about image and appealing to the majority in a positive manner.
 
Welcome to the forum Tchain , love to have new input . I still miss Winston and the massive support that they gave to Nascar .I never really saw it as advertising , I just knew the racing series by that name .Truth be told , I still call it Winston Cup. I'm too old to be offended by much of anything (except the way women in racing are treated) .
 
It's the extremists on both sides that cause the issues. There are the far left people that are against everything and then there are the NRA whack jobs who's only answer to anything is more guns. Those who use reason and logic get drowned out.
 
Matthew2470 said:
It's the extremists on both sides that cause the issues. There are the far left people that are against everything and then there are the NRA whack jobs who's only answer to anything is more guns. Those who use reason and logic get drowned out.
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glug , glug
 
It's the extremists on both sides that cause the issues. There are the far left people that are against everything and then there are the NRA whack jobs who's only answer to anything is more guns. Those who use reason and logic get drowned out.
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But this is 'Murica! Hate and being offended is what we are good at!
 
TchainT said:
As my first post on this forum, I would like to also say that by giving teams an option and hearing their opinions can be taken as offensive in any way.
And its not like things like this dont happen when there is potential controversy or questionable marketing; Winston is no longer the series sponsor, and tobacco companies cant advertise on cars. Its about image and appealing to the majority in a positive manner.
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I thought Winston was forced out when advertising tobacco on TV was outlawed.
 
But it also reflect a society that has gone politically mad. The picture (shooting blanks) has been a tradition for a long time. No complaints untill it is suddenlly made into a political circus. So if a sponsor is offended by someone getting tanked in victory lane even though they have a beer sponsor, does Nascar put the brakes on it?
 
FenderBumper said:
It's how this 'choice' came about. Gossage and sponsors are forced to react to pressure like this:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/sto...convenient-but-not-compromising-030713#!clAsK

"For the better part of two days, I tried to muster outrage over the National Rifle Association’s sponsorship of a NASCAR race. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t do it.

I read and re-read the letter Wayne LaPierre, the executive vice president of the NRA, penned in some gun magazine that called me a “radical journalist” and mischaracterized words I’d spoken inartfully as words I’d written. Nothing. No sustainable outrage.
I thought about the Newtown massacre and racer Michael Waltrip’s beautiful tribute to its victims and how it would all be undermined by the NRA’s politicization of a Sprint Cup race. Nope. No sustainable outrage."

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I don't think the track ever forced a driver to hold up those guns and blast away. Now it's all about people pressuring others because they don't like what the NRA said.
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i'm not really seeing anybody forcing, or pressuring, anyone to do anything

the writer of the foxsports article, more than anything, seems to be asking people to give some thought to what they're doing, and who they might be rubbing the wrong way, before going ahead with it just because "we've always done it this way"

Eddie Gossage, president of Texas Motor Speedway, looks to be taking the same approach

and I tend to agree with the writer's contention that the NRA, in sponsoring the race, "is attempting to shore up their base" because, in my opinion, they're beginning to look like they're losing it

i have all the respect in the world for the 2nd Amendment and what it means to the people in this country

however, I have a problem with the NRA's position that enforceable legislation starts and ends with that amendment
 
FenderBumper said:
I thought Winston was forced out when advertising tobacco on TV was outlawed.
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dirtguru said:
You're excattly right, that was a goverment rulling. Nascar would still have Winston if they had a choice.
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actually, it was when advertising tobacco on TV was outlawed by the govenment (in the early 70's) that Winston signed on as NASCAR's sponsor because they had a ton of advertising money that they didn't know what to do with

Junior Johnson approached them about sponsoring a car and they replied by asking if they could sponsor the entire series

Winston got out of NASCAR when, after people wised up and quit smoking, their revenues declined and they didn't have the money to throw around anymore
 
I dont know the politics of advertising and whatnot outside of NASCAR, but I guess I just dont see why open mindedness cant work both ways. People want others to have the freedom to be able to do things (such as the Texas 6 shooter tradition), but they seem to not want the same people to have the freedom to NOT choose it.

I also apologize for that triple negative in that sentence. Im not good at the whole talking thing.

Anyway, I see nothing wrong with the track owner to have an open door policy on whether or not teams feel comfortable with it. That seems to be the most fair and open way to go about things if he felt people might have reservations on the issue.
 
pjmolo said:
actually, it was when advertising tobacco on TV was outlawed by the govenment (in the early 70's) that Winston signed on as NASCAR's sponsor because they had a ton of advertising money that they didn't know what to do with

Junior Johnson approached them about sponsoring a car and they replied by asking if they could sponsor the entire series

Winston got out of NASCAR when, after people wised up and quit smoking, their revenues declined and they didn't have the money to throw around anymore
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Oh yeah, I guess Winston got around the rules?
 
Wow I don't watch TV but for NASCAR racing, never watch the news,........didn't even know about this shooting. That's crappy stuff for the Connecticut people involved there they have some heart repairing to do,.but whats this got to with a race in Texas? Or for that fact, whats it got to do with anybody but the poor people who have to heal after this ? It just a cancer of society got wild and did something awful, why are we changing a country of 340 million people over it? And people ask me why I never watch or read news anymore. so sad that we are letting TV and the ratings drive of the news media control our laws.
 
pjmolo said:
actually, it was when advertising tobacco on TV was outlawed by the govenment (in the early 70's) that Winston signed on as NASCAR's sponsor because they had a ton of advertising money that they didn't know what to do with

Junior Johnson approached them about sponsoring a car and they replied by asking if they could sponsor the entire series

Winston got out of NASCAR when, after people wised up and quit smoking, their revenues declined and they didn't have the money to throw around anymore
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FenderBumper said:
Oh yeah, I guess Winston got around the rules?
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in a sense, that's exactly what they did

but you don't have to take my word for it

feel free to look it up . . .
 
I think whoever wins will still want to use the guns in victory lane. It's a cool celebration, period. I don't mistake the celebration or the sponsor for a representation of ideals. Hopefully other people are smart enough to do the same.
 
It's the wrong time. Too many inflamed opinions.
 
Wow, I can remember when as a child growing up we would play with cap pistols and had a great time. Funny how no one found them offensive and no of us turned out to be killers. Our society has gone off the deep end,
 
FenderBumper said:
Just another sickening example of the liberal Nazi PC police where shooting a cap gun at a race track is insensitive to shooting victims. Is there any other political group that uses tragedies to promote their agenda better than the left?
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No, there is not. I cant even believe firing a single action revolver filled with blanks is even an issue. Dumbest thing I have read in a while.
 
Bobw said:
It's the wrong time. Too many inflamed opinions.
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here's a sure bet. Gossage should bring a big poster of lapierre to the winners stage and let the driver shoot him with both guns blazing. The liberals will cheer long and hard, and all the mentally stable people can have a good laugh at their expense.
 
I guess next they will have to end 21 gun salutes and relay races will be started with the drop of a flag instead of a pistol. It's sad that we have become a nation that responds to the fear of a few rather than the common sense of all.
 
The Connecticut shoots would have been prevented with any of the proposed laws, but these damn high and mighty diks use it to promote their anti-gun agenda. They criticize Lapierre (who I don't agree with), but at least his idea was a possible solution to a nut job with a gun.
 
dirtguru said:
Wow, I can remember when as a child growing up we would play with cap pistols and had a great time. Funny how no one found them offensive and no of us turned out to be killers. Our society has gone off the deep end,
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Didn't have those damn massacre videogames when you were a kid. I've always underestimated the role those things play in it, but the very same stuff police use for simulations is sold on store shelves. They're too realistic.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Didn't have those damn massacre videogames when you were a kid. I've always underestimated the role those things play in it, but the very same stuff police use for simulations is sold on store shelves. They're too realistic.
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:confused: I dont understand what this has to do with blank pistols in victory lane, but I'm sure you will connect the dots.
 
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