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FenderBumper said:
The Connecticut shoots would have been prevented with any of the proposed laws, but these damn high and mighty diks use it to promote their anti-gun agenda. They criticize Lapierre (who I don't agree with), but at least his idea was a possible solution to a nut job with a gun.
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if you're referring to LaPierre's idea to put armed guards in schools, I'm not quite sure why it has never been seriously considered

if we go to great lengths to protect our treasure (banks, high-end retail stores), why don't we make the same effort to protect our blood (school children) ?
 
TchainT said:
I dont know the politics of advertising and whatnot outside of NASCAR, but I guess I just dont see why open mindedness cant work both ways. People want others to have the freedom to be able to do things (such as the Texas 6 shooter tradition), but they seem to not want the same people to have the freedom to NOT choose it.

I also apologize for that triple negative in that sentence. Im not good at the whole talking thing.

Anyway, I see nothing wrong with the track owner to have an open door policy on whether or not teams feel comfortable with it. That seems to be the most fair and open way to go about things if he felt people might have reservations on the issue.
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Gossage has never been that way before.Why start now?Anybody remember his "shut up and race" year ?When they were complaining about the track.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Didn't have those damn massacre videogames when you were a kid. I've always underestimated the role those things play in it, but the very same stuff police use for simulations is sold on store shelves. They're too realistic.
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I enjoy those games and I've never killed anyone... Pretending to be Tony Montana is not the same as killing neighborhood cats, I'm sick of this videogame stigma. Hold lunatics accountable and stop blaming the guns!
 
pjmolo said:
if you're referring to LaPierre's idea to put armed guards in schools, I'm not quite sure why it has never been seriously considered

if we go to great lengths to protect our treasure (banks, high-end retail stores), why don't we make the same effort to protect our blood (school children) ?
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Hell, they need armed guards in schools to protect the students from each other anyway.
 
dirtguru said:
But it also reflect a society that has gone politically mad. The picture (shooting blanks) has been a tradition for a long time. No complaints untill it is suddenlly made into a political circus. So if a sponsor is offended by someone getting tanked in victory lane even though they have a beer sponsor, does Nascar put the brakes on it?
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Nascar isn't taking sides in this .:confused:
 
dirtguru said:
But it also reflect a society that has gone politically mad. The picture (shooting blanks) has been a tradition for a long time. No complaints untill it is suddenlly made into a political circus. So if a sponsor is offended by someone getting tanked in victory lane even though they have a beer sponsor, does Nascar put the brakes on it?
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I'm guessing this is a step in the direction of saying Thank You for extending our tax breaks.
 
pjmolo said:
if you're referring to LaPierre's idea to put armed guards in schools, I'm not quite sure why it has never been seriously considered

if we go to great lengths to protect our treasure (banks, high-end retail stores), why don't we make the same effort to protect our blood (school children) ?
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The problem is, the people who write the laws, they're making the decisions for your kids, not theirs. Armed guards alone won't work - schools should have the same protection courthouses and police stations have.
 
dirtguru said:
It looks as though they will have no choice considering the direction this is taking. It is a Nascar sanctioned race.
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Yes but for all intents and purposes its supposed to be a decision made by the track representatives. Maybe not this time but it usually is.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I think whoever wins will still want to use the guns in victory lane. It's a cool celebration, period. I don't mistake the celebration or the sponsor for a representation of ideals. Hopefully other people are smart enough to do the same.
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All a matter of tastes. I've always thought the hat and popguns look kinda silly. The drivers usually look uncomfortable to me.
 
dirtguru said:
I guess next they will have to end 21 gun salutes and relay races will be started with the drop of a flag instead of a pistol. It's sad that we have become a nation that responds to the fear of a few rather than the common sense of all.
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Less than 25% of the US population owns a firearm. One could argue that the few having their fears catered to are those who fear that universal background checks must inevitably end with the repeal of the 2nd amendment.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Less than 25% of the US population owns a firearm. One could argue that the few having their fears catered to are those who fear that universal background checks must inevitably end with the repeal of the 2nd amendment.
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So are you one who fears that firing pistols with blanks in them will bring the some (probaly even much less than 23%) trembling to the ground? It's just a symbolic gesture, ever heard of the Wild West? These anti gun freaks are the one's who are placing fear into everyone. Why does this bother you?
 
It's just a symbolic gesture, ever heard of the Wild West? These anti gun freaks are the one's who are placing fear into everyone. Why does this bother you?
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Why does freedom of choice bother people?
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Didn't have those damn massacre videogames when you were a kid. I've always underestimated the role those things play in it, but the very same stuff police use for simulations is sold on store shelves. They're too realistic.
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BS!

The games kids are playing have nothing to do with mass murders and that is well documented.

The fact is few take responsibility for their own actions.
 
Smoke14 said:
BS!

The games kids are playing have nothing to do with mass murders and that is well documented.

The fact is few take responsibility for their own actions.
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You cannot tell me, with a straight face, that kids play these massacre games all day and night and don't become desensitized to violence.
 
I'm a 2nd amendment supporter, but am not a big fan of the NRA. They're way too political IMO, and their only real concern is lining their pockets. Not a big fan of their "now's not the time" approach they use to dodge tough questions whenever on of these mass shootings occur. That being said, I'm still gonna watch the Texas race, regardless of the NRA sponsorship.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
You cannot tell me, with a straight face, that kids play these massacre games all day and night and don't become desensitized to violence.
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My kid plays them and he doesn't care to shoot a real gun.Why? Probably ever since he started plying these games I HAVE TAUGHT him that it's just a game and only that.I don't use those games as a babysitting tool.It all goes back to the PARENTING or the lack of.
 
dirtguru said:
So are you one who fears that firing pistols with blanks in them will bring the some (probaly even much less than 23%) trembling to the ground? It's just a symbolic gesture, ever heard of the Wild West? These anti gun freaks are the one's who are placing fear into everyone. Why does this bother you?
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I didn't say it bothered me. In my previous post, I did say I thought the Victory Lane celebration looked silly.

What is this 'fear' you claim 'anti gun freaks' are placing into 'everyone'? The 'anti gun freaks' aren't placing any fear into me; the 2nd Amendment isn't going anywhere.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I didn't say it bothered me. In my previous post, I did say I thought the Victory Lane celebration looked silly.

What is this 'fear' you claim 'anti gun freaks' are placing into 'everyone'? The 'anti gun freaks' aren't placing any fear into me; the 2nd Amendment isn't going anywhere.
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Yeah it may look silly, I've always thought the kissing of the bricks look silly but it's a tradition like the firing blanks from the pistol. One that didn't seem to be a problem untill now. Why do you suppose it has became a problem now? Why do you think it should even be a problem with some teams or sponsors?
 
dirtguru said:
Yeah it may look silly, I've always thought the kissing of the bricks look silly but it's a tradition like the firing blanks from the pistol. One that didn't seem to be a problem untill now. Why do you suppose it has became a problem now? Why do you think it should even be a problem with some teams or sponsors?
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Why now? The NRA is sponsoring a race for the first time. Right or wrong, the NRA is a polarizing organization these days. I suspect their sponsorship has drawn attention to the guns in the ceremony from those previously unaware of it.

What are some sponsors problems? Again, pure speculation. Sponsors may not want the gunless majority to be assumed the sponsors share the NRA's policies.

NASCAR blows in the wind of public opinion. It wasn't that long ago you could find Confederate flags painted on cars and track signs, or get free cigarettes and chewing tobacco on souvenir row. Now you can't smoke inside many tracks, and golfer Bubba Watson caught flack last year when he wanted to bring his 'General Lee' to the Phoenix pre-race festivities. NASCAR may decide there are more non-gun owning race fans than owners, and more profit in catering to their opinions. Ceremonies come and go; you don't see half-dressed trophy queens these days (and more's the pity). Burn-outs have replaced victory laps (even the Polish ones).

As to kissing the bricks, it wasn't an official part of the Indianapolis winner's circle ceremony. Dale Jarrett's team chose to do it on their own (the entire team), and other teams have continued of their own accord. That's what makes a tradition. The Texas track personnel bring the hat and guns to Victory Circle and orchestrate the photo shot. I suspect if they didn't, few drivers would ask for or miss them. To the drivers, it's probably just one more hat to swap, one more photo to pose for; it's the boot-shaped trophy they'll be taking home. Now that I do think is unique. Not a grandfather clock, but different enough that a casual glance tells you where it was won.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Why now? The NRA is sponsoring a race for the first time. Right or wrong, the NRA is a polarizing organization these days. I suspect their sponsorship has drawn attention to the guns in the ceremony from those previously unaware of it.

What are some sponsors problems? Again, pure speculation. Sponsors may not want the gunless majority to be assumed the sponsors share the NRA's policies.

NASCAR blows in the wind of public opinion. It wasn't that long ago you could find Confederate flags painted on cars and track signs, or get free cigarettes and chewing tobacco on souvenir row. Now you can't smoke inside many tracks, and golfer Bubba Watson caught flack last year when he wanted to bring his 'General Lee' to the Phoenix pre-race festivities. NASCAR may decide there are more non-gun owning race fans than owners, and more profit in catering to their opinions. Ceremonies come and go; you don't see half-dressed trophy queens these days (and more's the pity). Burn-outs have replaced victory laps (even the Polish ones).

As to kissing the bricks, it wasn't an official part of the Indianapolis winner's circle ceremony. Dale Jarrett's team chose to do it on their own (the entire team), and other teams have continued of their own accord. That's what makes a tradition. The Texas track personnel bring the hat and guns to Victory Circle and orchestrate the photo shot. I suspect if they didn't, few drivers would ask for or miss them. To the drivers, it's probably just one more hat to swap, one more photo to pose for; it's the boot-shaped trophy they'll be taking home. Now that I do think is unique. Not a grandfather clock, but different enough that a casual glance tells you where it was won.
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So the ritual of firing the pistols has nothing to do with the NRA, remember it was a tradition long before the NRA decided to sponsor the race. So why should the NRA sponsoring the race have anything to do with this tradition if it's not paranonia from the anti-gun freaks that's causing them to possibly break the tradition.
 
dirtguru said:
So the ritual of firing the pistols has nothing to do with the NRA, remember it was a tradition long before the NRA decided to sponsor the race. So why should the NRA sponsoring the race have anything to do with this tradition if it's not paranonia from the anti-gun freaks that's causing them to possibly break the tradition.
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Funny, I assumed everyone got that, but it seems maybe not.
 
dirtguru said:
So the ritual of firing the pistols has nothing to do with the NRA, remember it was a tradition long before the NRA decided to sponsor the race. So why should the NRA sponsoring the race have anything to do with this tradition if it's not paranonia from the anti-gun freaks that's causing them to possibly break the tradition.
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Please re-read what I posted. I didn't say the NRA had anything to do with the gun ceremony. I said the NRA sponsorship DREW ATTENTION to the pre-existing gun ceremony. Gun control advocates are always focused on the actions of the NRA. They are rarely focused on what happens in sports victory ceremonies. When the NRA picked up the Texas sponsorship, it brought the existing ceremony to the attention of those gun control forces. You asked why the ceremony was suddenly an issue; that's my theory.

It's like those protestors who scream when an obscure movie offends their religious beliefs. If they hadn't raised a ruckus, no one would have been aware of what they're protesting. Now some gun owners that wouldn't have crossed the street to watch a race will tune in to see the ceremony; a few will probably attend their first race.

Everything I've posted is just speculating (excluding the current percentage of gun ownership; Googling 'US gun ownership' returns numbers between 21% and 25% of individuals). Don't expect me to provide accurate answers to questions about someone else's opinions. You'll have to ask the people that support those positions.
 
Bottom line, shooting blank pistols in victory lane is kinda funny but its a harmless tradition and it doesnt matter who the sponsor is. Speculating why some people want to make it a political cause would take years, but I personally think its because they are zealots that grasp at every straw and salt partial facts with fiction to try and make a point. Its my opinion, no debate or pissing contest will change my mind.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
All a matter of tastes. I've always thought the hat and popguns look kinda silly. The drivers usually look uncomfortable to me.
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I guess it depends on the driver. Some may have no clue what they're doing and end up looking like a total doofus. But I remember some drivers looking like they were enjoying it in the past. It's at least unique. I know if I were a driver I'd like to take part in it.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Please re-read what I posted. I didn't say the NRA had anything to do with the gun ceremony. I said the NRA sponsorship DREW ATTENTION to the pre-existing gun ceremony. Gun control advocates are always focused on the actions of the NRA. They are rarely focused on what happens in sports victory ceremonies. When the NRA picked up the Texas sponsorship, it brought the existing ceremony to the attention of those gun control forces. You asked why the ceremony was suddenly an issue; that's my theory.

It's like those protestors who scream when an obscure movie offends their religious beliefs. If they hadn't raised a ruckus, no one would have been aware of what they're protesting. Now some gun owners that wouldn't have crossed the street to watch a race will tune in to see the ceremony; a few will probably attend their first race.

Everything I've posted is just speculating (excluding the current percentage of gun ownership; Googling 'US gun ownership' returns numbers between 21% and 25% of individuals). Don't expect me to provide accurate answers to questions about someone else's opinions. You'll have to ask the people that support those positions.
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But what it comes down to is the paranoia of the Gun Control freaks who act as though the NRA is responsible for the death of anyone who is killed or mamed by a gun, and feel they need to intervene in aspects of our society that have nothing to do with the NRA and more to do with their irrational fear.
 
Organizations/corporations sponsor races for attention (advertising) and many against the NRA may be inclined to not watch the race due to the NRA's involvment. However, what has happened here is that now those very same folks have a reason to watch the race.

Savvy marketing, to say the least.
 
dirtguru said:
But what it comes down to is the paranoia of the Gun Control freaks who act as though the NRA is responsible for the death of anyone who is killed or mamed by a gun, and feel they need to intervene in aspects of our society that have nothing to do with the NRA and more to do with their irrational fear.
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There you go again :rolleyes:
 
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