Grunge, Cobain, other music

BobbyFord said:
Grunge was short-lived for obvious reasons. Nirvana sucked.
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Being a metal head I'm no fan of grunge but Nirvana definitely hit a nerve with the masses and inspired thousands of young musicians. Cant call that "sucking".

Nirvana over Kanye West and Lady Gaga every single time.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Being a metal head I'm no fan of grunge but Nirvana definitely hit a nerve with the masses and inspired thousands of young musicians. Cant call that "sucking".
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In 20 years, people will have to Google, "Kurt Cobain". They are not The Rolling Stones, they are not Led Zeppelin. They will also have to Google those that they inspired. The bands that are 40-50 years old are still the most influential, currently in rock & roll.
Nirvana was just noise, IMO.
 
BobbyFord said:
In 20 years, people will have to Google, "Kurt Cobain". They are not The Rolling Stones, they are not Led Zeppelin. They will also have to Google those that they inspired. The bands that are 40-50 years old are still the most influential, currently in rock & roll.
Nirvana was just noise, IMO.
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They will google Kurt Cobain because they will have heard Nirvana on the radio and probably rocked out to it. Cant really compare Nirvana to LZ - the band that basically started modern rock n roll. The Rolling Stones are horribly over rated. The only one worth mentioning is Richards. If you want to compare bands you'd have to compare Nirvana with Alice In Chains. Of course Nirvana was just noise. They were loud, noticeable, and most of all unique. That is why they are loved and cannot be duplicated.

Or Austin Dillion to Dale Earnhardt. Just doesnt make sense :D
 
KevinWI said:
The Rolling Stones are the best musical act in history
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Easily debatable.

Michael Jackson
Elvis Presley
Metallica
AC/DC
KISS
Modanna
Elton John
Pink Floyd

The list can go on to acts like Queen, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, The Bee Gees, Prince, Aerosmith, The Who and Emenim.

Like their respective genre's or not - these acts can sell out stadiums, arenas, and festivals in the minutes.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Easily debatable.

Michael Jackson
Elvis Presley
Metallica
AC/DC
KISS
Modanna
Elton John
Pink Floyd

Like their respective genre's or not - these acts can sell out stadiums, arenas, and festivals in the minutes.
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I'm talking about quality of their songs and historical relevance, not necessarily their ability to draw a crowd and sell tickets. I used the term "act" to include groups and solo performers.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
They will google Kurt Cobain because they will have heard Nirvana on the radio and probably rocked out to it. Cant really compare Nirvana to LZ - the band that basically started modern rock n roll. The Rolling Stones are horribly over rated. The only one worth mentioning is Richards. If you want to compare bands you'd have to compare Nirvana with Alice In Chains. Of course Nirvana was just noise. They were loud, noticeable, and most of all unique. That is why they are loved and cannot be duplicated.

Or Austin Dillion to Dale Earnhardt. Just doesnt make sense :D
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Well to offer a debate, The Stones have sold out every world concert venue for probably longer than you've been alive. Somebody's still buying their stuff.
I'll say it again, Nirvana sucked. Alice who?
 
BobbyFord said:
Post the extensive Nirvana #1 hit list.
Or, if you prefer, radio play count number.
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I think Nirvana is a little overrated, but I will listen if Smells Like Teen Spirit is on the radio. It's a decent song. The rest of Nirvana I don't care for. I think the people who love Nirvana were at the angsty teen flannel-wearing time of their life when Nirvana hit and that's why they're so beloved. It's like my Van Halen example, so much of your opinions of musicians is based on who YOU were when you first heard them. That's why it's important to look at their historical context outside of how you feel about them.
 
Van Halen is my favorite all-time because I remember watching my dad working on his '67 big block Chevelle SS with a Van Halen cassette playing in the stereo and "Ain't Talking 'Bout Love" playing.

Edit: oops, with all the thread switching, I meant to post this before the previous post.
 
As a fan of Rock music I like Nirvana. Perhaps maybe there unplugged songs more than there actual recorded releases. Not my favorite band but I do like them. The argument about Kurt Cobain being forgotten about 20 years from now, I would compare Kurt Cobain to Jim Morrison of The Doors (both band I like by the way). Both the Doors and Nirvana lasted less than 5 years before there lead singers died. Both Cobain and Morrison were known to use drugs rampantly. Both bands came out with a lot of songs that hit the radio air waves in there short lived existence. Morrison will always be remembered for his wild behavior on stage and reputation behind the stage. Kurt Cobain seems to be remembered as the guy who ended hair metal and brought depressing lyrics into mainstream music.
 
Google Gazzarri's. Lotta great bands got their start there. It's not bad growing up in L.A.
While working, I was at Eddie's house a few years back. Huge place.
I had the gate code and didn't realize who's house it was. It was 11:30am, Eddie was busting my chops, still wearing his brown plaid, checkered pajamas. Once I realized who he was, I mentioned that it was midday and he oughta be out of his pajamas by now.
 
KevinWI said:
I think Nirvana is a little overrated, but I will listen if Smells Like Teen Spirit is on the radio. It's a decent song. The rest of Nirvana I don't care for. I think the people who love Nirvana were at the angsty teen flannel-wearing time of their life when Nirvana hit and that's why they're so beloved. It's like my Van Halen example, so much of your opinions of musicians is based on who YOU were when you first heard them. That's why it's important to look at their historical context outside of how you feel about them.
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You hit the nail right on the head there. Most of my musical taste comes from growing up when I did. I went to high school until 1987, and I grew up playing guitar in what many now consider hair metal bands. My favorite bands were always Iron Maiden and Rush a lot of others that I liked to varying degrees as well. I also had 8, mostly music loving, older siblings so I was exposed to just about everything you can imagine and I loved a lot of it from John Denver and the Carpenters to Nazareth and the Electric Prunes.

I've always thought Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones were both pretty overrated, to me, but obviously millions would disagree. I know that many huge music fans don't care much for Rush either. To me Rush is far superior to either of those bands, but musical ability and lyrics are really important to me.
 
Nirvana's biggest contribution to music was that they pretty much singlehandedly eliminated hair bands. They had a different sound and a different look, and all of a sudden a bunch of dudes with long perms and makeup singing power ballads didn't seem so cool anymore.
 
ToyYoda said:
Nirvana's biggest contribution to music was that they pretty much singlehandedly eliminated hair bands. They had a different sound and a different look, and all of a sudden a bunch of dudes with long perms and makeup singing power ballads didn't seem so cool anymore.
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That's a good point as well. Guys like Poison and a lot of the cheesier crappy stuff that it turned into made it much easier to kill and it was bound to die soon enough anyway. But, the grunge guys seemed to speed up the process exponentially.
 
ToyYoda said:
Nirvana's biggest contribution to music was that they pretty much singlehandedly eliminated hair bands. They had a different sound and a different look, and all of a sudden a bunch of dudes with long perms and makeup singing power ballads didn't seem so cool anymore.
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...and now the Grunge phase is pretty much over. There really isn't any good new rock and roll anymore, IMO.
 
As I've said before, the local rock station here (96.3 WROV) very rarely plays modern rock music.

The top "Rock" artist in 2013 was Lorde. That says it all. I can't listen to her music without wanting to throw my radio through a window that is closed.
 
Music is so subjective just pick your thing and enjoy it.
I can respect anybodies right to listen to whatever they like.

Note: (but honestly within my own secret thoughts I have determined that some folks are mentally afflicted or stupid based on who they listen too.
Even my wife, she listens to pop top 40 ****).
 
BobbyFord said:
In 20 years, people will have to Google, "Kurt Cobain". They are not The Rolling Stones, they are not Led Zeppelin. They will also have to Google those that they inspired. The bands that are 40-50 years old are still the most influential, currently in rock & roll.
Nirvana was just noise, IMO.
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I loathe Nirvana, but this post is laughable. In 20 years, Cobain will be just as remembered as Jagger, Morrison, etc. No, I'm not saying he belongs in the same category as them, but he's certainly not going to be forgotten about.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
This is where rock music and country music for that matter are at. Grammy for best rock album in 2013: Led Zeppelin. ACM Award for Best Album: George Strait.
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Actually, Kacey Musgraves won album of the year. Strait won Entertainer Of The Year. To be fair, with this being his final tour, there was no way he was losing that award.
 
If any of you are craving some good 'new' rock n roll... I'm currently all about the following right now:


Dispatch
Gary Clark jr
'Older' Queens of the Stone Age
The Black Keys(don't let the radio singles fool you)
'Older' Arctic Monkeys(again, don't let the radio fool you)


Anyone here into ska-ish stuff with horns and what not?


As far as Nirvana, I don't care for the band but they did a ton for the Seattle music scene... There would probably be a lot of bands that never existed without them.
 
breatheoflife said:
Actually, Kacey Musgraves won album of the year. Strait won Entertainer Of The Year. To be fair, with this being his final tour, there was no way he was losing that award.
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Kacey who?

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:wub: She's hot er I mean I like her music. :lol2:
 
breatheoflife said:
I loathe Nirvana, but this post is laughable. In 20 years, Cobain will be just as remembered as Jagger, Morrison, etc. No, I'm not saying he belongs in the same category as them, but he's certainly not going to be forgotten about.
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I disagree for obvious reasons. In 20 years they won't even be playing Nirvana on the radio and The Rolling Stones will be in the middle of World Tour 2034.
 
I can't remember the last time I heard a Nirvana song on the radio. I heard the Stones this morning.
Like Andy said, they only had one hit song.
 
BobbyFord said:
...and now the Grunge phase is pretty much over. There really isn't any good new rock and roll anymore, IMO.
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Rock seems to have split into two polar opposite directions. There's hardcore metal which is basically people screaming incoherent lyrics while pounding on the drums and guitar wildly. Or there are bands like Coldplay that play music most people over the age of 20 wouldn't even consider rock music.
 
BobbyFord said:
I can't remember the last time I heard a Nirvana song on the radio. I heard the Stones this morning.
Like Andy said, they only had one hit song.
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Hmmm, that's weird, considering I hear them on a daily basis, unfortunately. Even so, you're comparing a band with 24 albums and a 50 year career to a band with 6 albums and a 7 year career. Obviously you are going to hear one more often than the other.
 
Sang this Kurt Kobain tribute to the tune of Carly Simons "Your so vain

"Kurt Kobain they will probably do the next song without you"

you walked into your pantry
and you proceeded to take a shot
your gun, strategically tipped below one eye
your aim was right on the dot
you had one eye, fixed in terror
at the mayhem, you had brought

and all the girls screamed...
when they saw the paper...they saw the paper...and...

kurt cobain
they wil probably do the next song without you
kurt cobain (kurt cobain)
you probably think we can't live without you
don't you ? ...don't you ?

well, you formed bands several years ago
so good, that you can't believe
but the fame you attained in the public's glare
had caused you to want to leave
so you said goodbye to ones you loved
and let your soul fly free

i had some dreams...you were there in your coffin
there in your coffin, and...

kurt cobain
they will probably do the next song without you
kurt cobain (kurt cobain)
you probably think we can't live without you
don't you ? ...don't you ?

well, i hear you grew up in south tacoma
or somewhere that rarely gets sun
and you left that hick town with your diploma
you made some video clips just for fun

well, you made it to the top in time
but now, you're not..you're dead
some other world guy
who created his own end
made up his own end...and

kurt cobain
they will probably do the next song without you
kurt cobain (kurt cobain)
you probably think we can't live without you
don't you ? ...don't you
 
breatheoflife said:
Hmmm, that's weird, considering I hear them on a daily basis, unfortunately. Even so, you're comparing a band with 24 albums and a 50 year career to a band with 6 albums and a 7 year career. Obviously you are going to hear one more often than the other.
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Yeah, it's really no comparison.
I thought they only had released the one single on a 45 :D
7 albums? Must not be good stuff. The only song I've ever heard on the radio is Smells LikeTeen Spirit. I couldn't imaging listening to 12 tracks of the same noise.
 
breatheoflife said:
Hmmm, that's weird, considering I hear them on a daily basis, unfortunately. Even so, you're comparing a band with 24 albums and a 50 year career to a band with 6 albums and a 7 year career. Obviously you are going to hear one more often than the other.
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In truth, they really only did 3 albums. Live albums, compilations, boxed sets don't really count.
 
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