Harvick didn't pass Logano

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Funny that everyone who caught Logano on the last long run passed him except Harvick which is ironic because had he passed him he would have been in position to win. I think moving to ford kept him from going by, maybe not giving 100 percent cost Harvick a shot to win another title.
 
Huh? I doubt going to Ford next year had anything to do with it. His car wasn't what it usually was and couldn't get it done.
 
^^^This

And the 22 clearly didn't have the best car on the longer runs but he always fought to keep people from passing him. The 18 had trouble getting by him and eventually did but Joey held him off for 5-7 laps longer then it should have taken. Same with Harvick. I don't think Harvick was going to have enough laps to pass him. He needed another 4-5...not just the one.
 
Flyer22 said:
^^^This

And the 22 clearly didn't have the best car on the longer runs but he always fought to keep people from passing him. The 18 had trouble getting by him and eventually did but Joey held him off for 5-7 laps longer then it should have taken. Same with Harvick. I don't think Harvick was going to have enough laps to pass him. He needed another 4-5...not just the one.
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Ha nice try. As soon as the spotter made his comments the 4 magically slowed down
 
I didn't hear the spotter but I would like to know what he said, Harvick caught Kyle fast and Kyle went by, after Harvick ran below Logano he fell in behind and didn't make another run.
 
CalTenn said:
I didn't hear the spotter but I would like to know what he said, Harvick caught Kyle fast and Kyle went by, after Harvick ran below Logano he fell in behind and didn't make another run.
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Spotter updated him regarding the points situation if he passed the 22. That pass would have been the race winning pass evidently but who knew the caution was coming out.
 
Wrangler1 said:
Spotter updated him regarding the points situation if he passed the 22. That pass would have been the race winning pass evidently but who knew the caution was coming out.
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Which would have been what? Joey not making it? So the thinking is Harvick in his new allegiance to Ford was going to sacrifice a couple positions or possibly a shot at winning (that Joey got and took advantage of) so the 22 could make it? Right. Harvick does nothing for anyone but himself, and in that instance, he should have.
 
If Harvick knew that Busch would advance if he passed Lagano he might have backed off since he's had issues with Busch in the past.
 
So if Harvick only does things for himself, why did he stop trying to pass Logano for the position, I'm sure it would have paid more to finish another spot ahead. I have no problem with Logano getting in it was just odd that he caught him so easily and really didn't try to get around him.
 
Bucky Badger said:
Ha nice try. As soon as the spotter made his comments the 4 magically slowed down
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Lolwut

You mean as soon as NBC broadcasted the spotter's comments he said laps prior?

If anything, Joey's times were thrown all while racing the #18, and once Busch pulled away Joey was able to race his line more and hold Harvick off.
It was a must win for Harvick, it makes 0 sense for him not to pass everyone he could.
 
No way to prove it but might of been in the back of his head. Ofcourse Harvick has never been one to hold back or put others in front of hinselfso not likely.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Lolwut

You mean as soon as NBC broadcasted the spotter's comments he said laps prior?

If anything, Joey's times were thrown all while racing the #18, and once Busch pulled away Joey was able to race his line more and hold Harvick off.
It was a must win for Harvick, it makes 0 sense for him not to pass everyone he could.
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This and Harvick is about as competitive as it gets and I would imagine he would have rather have seen the 18 advance to next week rather than Joey, who he has a ton of love for....(sarcasm).
 
Flyer22 said:
This and Harvick is about as competitive as it gets and I would imagine he would have rather have seen the 18 advance to next week rather than Joey, who he has a ton of love for....(sarcasm).
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Ever since the Ford announcement Bk,JL and Harvick have had zero issues. Not saying he wouldnt prefer kyle but hes had just as much issue with Kyle in the past as Joey im sure hes probably indifferent on who makes it and more concerned about himself making it.
 
Ford 222 said:
Which would have been what? Joey not making it? So the thinking is Harvick in his new allegiance to Ford was going to sacrifice a couple positions or possibly a shot at winning (that Joey got and took advantage of) so the 22 could make it? Right. Harvick does nothing for anyone but himself, and in that instance, he should have.
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Joey and Kyle Busch were tied in points at that point. If Harvick passed Logano he would have broken the tie and given Busch a berth into the chase. I am not implying that Harvick backed off I was just answering the question as to what Tim Fedewa told Harvick as he approached Logano.
 
You just never know how racing will end up, right place wrong time or right place right time, if Harvick had it to do over he would try harder to get by. Hind sight is 20/20
 
CalTenn said:
Funny that everyone who caught Logano on the last long run passed him except Harvick which is ironic because had he passed him he would have been in position to win. I think moving to ford kept him from going by, maybe not giving 100 percent cost Harvick a shot to win another title.
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If Harvick couldn't pass Logano, how was he going to pass anyone else for the win?
 
I'm not exactly sure, I mean I know Harvick is the type who likes to go all out and does the best he could....but if he had passed Joey it's not like without the yellow he would have had a chance, and we was really close to not getting the yellow that would cause the restart as well. So I'm not really able to say one way or another but it would make sense a bit for Harvick to know he didn't have a chance to help make sure at least one Ford is in the Final 4. But who really knows.
 
I can't say why Harvick was doing it. I doubt it was about Ford loyalty and I doubt he has has a soft spot for Logano. I suspect it was about not wanting Busch to advance once he thought his chances were done.

I can't say why, but Harvick was indeed purposely not passing Logano. You didn't need a tin foil hat to see that, you just needed to be paying the slightest attention. He slowed way down on the final lap at Talladega a few weeks ago to let Hamlin back in line and change the results there. It was hilarious to hear Burton and Letarte, as well as anyone online, talk about what a principled racer he is. He is the most manipulative person out there and if he can't win, he will play favorites and try to change outcomes how he sees fit.
 
Did kyle booooooooosh eliminate his teammate? the 20 car? I was flipping between the NFL and nbc ( muted of course) and it looked like he caused the wreck ( now there a new one) and It did seem like the 4 backed off at the end. I didnt hear any commentary, cant stand nbc. But it kinda looked like he stopped charging.
 
It could be as simple as Harvick and Busch have quite a longstanding rivalry, even if we haven't seen much of it recently, and Harvick doesn't want Busch to get championship #2 before he does. I don't think we can know why unless Harvick decided to use the radio as a confessional to pour his feelings out, and he isn't that dumb.
 
Whether he slowed intentionally due to the points scenario or not I think the real problem here is that the points system allows for that kind of racing to be impactful. Sorry, horse dead.
 
There was no way Harvick could even think he could catch the cars in front, they had passed him.
By letting Joey go he lost 1 point and gained a ton of IOU's from Penske for next year.
When SHR needs some help there is only one Ford team that can help. Money in the bank.
 
Im truly baffled.. Not only that this thread exists but even more so that so many people think that Harvick may actually have stayed behind him on purpose.. Joey used the same line to hold off the 18 who was clearly faster than the 4, for several laps... Harvick didnt have a great car all day and with Joey running the outside in turns 3 and 4 he took Harvicks chance away by always being in front out of turn 4 and able to use the bottom through turns 1 and 2.

There was no black helicopters.. Harvick didnt slow down.. He didnt let Logano stay in front of him.. Joey did a great job driving defensively with an ill handling car against a car that had it's own handling issues to contend with.

If Harvick did slow up at all it was likely in the center of 3 and 4 because otherwise he would have went up the track into the car on his outside. The fact that that car happened to be the 22 and that spot happened to be the determining factor in who would and who would not move on to the final 4 most likely has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
Wow. Harvick was competing for a win to stay in the hunt.

If anything Kyle should have backed up to the 22 to see what would happen.
 
AuzGrams said:
Wow. Harvick was competing for a win to stay in the hunt.

If anything Kyle should have backed up to the 22 to see what would happen.
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Pretty sure he did at first.. But at a certain point he probably realized if he slowed up too much the 4 would pass them both and he would have been in the same spot as before he passed Joey.. Outside looking in
 
AuzGrams said:
Wow. Harvick was competing for a win to stay in the hunt.

If anything Kyle should have backed up to the 22 to see what would happen.
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Busch did back up so that Harvick could catch Logano but Harvick didn't want to pass him.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Im truly baffled.. Not only that this thread exists but even more so that so many people think that Harvick may actually have stayed behind him on purpose.
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Yeah, I'm baffled too. Saying Harvick laid down at the end of that race is as crazy as saying the Cleveland Indians threw the World Series on purpose. And some have said that too!
 
LewTheShoe said:
Yeah, I'm baffled too. Saying Harvick laid down at the end of that race is as crazy as saying the Cleveland Indians threw the World Series on purpose. And some have said that too!
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Matt Kenseth blew a 3.1 sec lead
 
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