Heartbreaking Interview

He did. I just wanted to hug him and tell him that he can still win.
 
Are we talking about the interview tonight after his wreck with Jimmy Spencer and Brendan Gaughan? The same interview where he wondered out loud how some drivers got their drivers license? That wasn't sad...........that was pathetic!! Mark Martin was whining..........just like he's done a couple times since he got into the C4C about drivers remembering that he was running for a championship!! I'm not a particularly avid fan of Mark........but I really don't have anything against him either. Except he does whine.......and evidently does a pretty good job if his whine convinces people that he's the one that was truly wronged. That was a racing incident........not incompetence on any other driver involved.
 
Yeah, he'll bounce back for next week. What happened is---sadly----nothing new for him. :( But, he didn't loose as much as could have been lost.

He just is tired of the bad luck---and knows this may be the last real chance at a championship.
 
"Except he does whine......"

They all do. Every one of them. Including the two guys in your user pic.
 
Me thinks you should reconsider your reply there DE. Martin is one of the few class acts left in this sport. He's just fed up with bad luck. As far as a whiner goes , #3 was the worst. He could dish it out but he couldn't take it.
 
"#3 was the worst. He could dish it out but he couldn't take it. "

It just seemed that way because he dished it out the most.

You're up awefully early, 97. Rough night?
 
The only driver in the chase who I haven't heard whine - and probably has the most cause to - is Mayfield.
 
Damn shame! Sure hated to see him go out like that last night! He did have a great car!!
 
Originally posted by be9ak7ts16@Oct 17 2004, 06:11 AM
Me thinks you should reconsider your reply there DE. Martin is one of the few class acts left in this sport. He's just fed up with bad luck. As far as a whiner goes , #3 was the worst. He could dish it out but he couldn't take it.
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We could have a post about the price of a Slim-Jim in Tahiti and someone will still bring up an Earnhardt.


And people say Earnhardt fans are whiners.... :wacko:
 
Originally posted by fergy1370+Oct 17 2004, 08:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fergy1370 @ Oct 17 2004, 08:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-be9ak7ts16@Oct 17 2004, 06:11 AM
Me thinks you should reconsider your reply there DE. Martin is one of the few class acts left in this sport. He's just fed up with bad luck. As far as a whiner goes , #3 was the worst. He could dish it out but he couldn't take it.
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We could have a post about the price of a Slim-Jim in Tahiti and someone will still bring up an Earnhardt.


And people say Earnhardt fans are whiners.... :wacko: [/b][/quote]
I was replying to a reply that he considered Martin a whiner. I was just making an observation. I guess this is why I don't come here very much anymore.
 
I have to agree with DEW about Martin...I heard him on the radio in the middle of the race "these guys need to get out of the way, don't they know what we're racing for?"...I'm sorry Mark, but if you really feel the championship should be layed down at your doorstep, I believe you should retire into your fantasy world. Class act? Hardly.
 
What'd ya'all do............................get up on the wrong side of bed this AM?????

Geeeeeeezzzzzzzzz, give Mark a wee break!!!!! I ain't gonna get into the Jr whining thing, but Mark was in his right to be upset.
 
Martin's a class act in my book. A complaint and a 'whine' are two different things. Nothing to do with which driver it is, in my opinion.As was pointed out, almost any driver you can name has said/acted in a simliar way. All just a matter of interpretation.
 
Some people wouldn't know true class if it bit them on the ass. It shows in their preferences too.

Mark is gentleman enough to get out of the way if he's out of contention and allow those who are to compete without having to dodge him. He asks the same in return. Apparently it's too much to ask in today's atmosphere.

Mark Martin, Terry Labonte, and Kyle Petty have forgotten more about the art of being classy than most of the rest will ever know, combined. That means more to some fans than others. Some of us prefer Jerry Springer mentalities; others prefer something approaching adult thinking and behavior. To each their own and a little more.
 
Some may say that Mark's passive driving style, (which, by the way, I have always been impressed by.) kept him from winning championships. Gentleman or not. They are there to race.
 
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@Oct 17 2004, 06:11 AM
Me thinks you should reconsider your reply there DE. Martin is one of the few class acts left in this sport. He's just fed up with bad luck. As far as a whiner goes , #3 was the worst. He could dish it out but he couldn't take it.
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We could have a post about the price of a Slim-Jim in Tahiti and someone will still bring up an Earnhardt.


And people say Earnhardt fans are whiners.... :wacko:
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I was replying to a reply that he considered Martin a whiner. I was just making an observation. I guess this is why I don't come here very much anymore. [/b][/quote]
I remember you from back in the old days, 9be7ak16ts. It's good to see you again.

Your opinions are welcomed here anytime. Come around more often, man. :cheers:
 
I don't feel that Mark was whining so much as letting his frustration show through. He had a fantastic car. It's got to be hard to have such a good car and have a wreck not of your making take you out.
 
Okay, I just reread what I posted last night.........and I don't think I said Mark was a whiner. I did say his interview was a whine.......and as far as I'm concerned it was just that. It was that little part about wondering how some drivers got their license that put it in the whine category for me. Disappointed? I have no doubt about that.......any driver would be if that had happened. Was it sad to see him go out of the race like that? Sure it was. But was his interview after the incident heartbreaking? No.....it was pathetic. Way less than what I expected from Mark Martin..........but I guess I should have expected it since he's, on more than one occasion since getting in the C4C, made comments about other drivers moving out of his was or being extra careful around him because he's running for a Championship.

Yes, every driver whines on occassion......and the two guys in my avatar did (one still does) their fair share of whining. And, believe it or not, I didn't and don't like it any better. I can bring up a particular whine by my present favorite about an incident from a couple or maybe three years ago at California where he whined about Shawna Robinson being a rolling chicane that drivers have to dodge every 3 or 4 laps. That was a whine too..........and I did not like it either.

Mark may be a "class act" for the most part.......so are Bobby Labonte, Terry Labonte, Dale Jarrett, and David Green. But being a class act does not immune them from my opinion that they whine when they whine. It was not a slam against Mark Martin..........it was my not seeing the post incident interview as heartbreaking. I just did not see Mark's comments as heartbreaking. Jeremy Mayfield's was heartbreaking.
 
Well said, DE_W.

All drivers whine, moan, groan, bawl, squall, and pitch hissy fits at times. We all do when things don't go our way --- I know for a fact that I'm guilty. LOL
 
Originally posted by TexasRaceLady@Oct 17 2004, 01:02 PM
Well said, DE_W.

All drivers whine, moan, groan, bawl, squall, and pitch hissy fits at times. We all do when things don't go our way --- I know for a fact that I'm guilty. LOL
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I even wrote the book:"How to whine, moan, groan, bawl and pitch a hissy fit". :lol:

Sadly, it never sold worth a damn. Except to Bowtie and Fergy, I mean. :p
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Oct 17 2004, 01:38 PM
Sadly, it never sold worth a damn. Except to Bowtie and Fergy, I mean. :p
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I got the hardback copy, autographed and all. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Oct 17 2004, 01:38 PM

I even wrote the book:"How to whine, moan, groan, bawl and pitch a hissy fit". :lol:

Sadly, it never sold worth a damn. Except to Bowtie and Fergy, I mean. :p
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I have it too, the one with Jack Rousch on the cover?
 
What goes around is supposed to come around----right?

Most of the drivers say that---right?


Mark is/was upset because of one of the cardinal understandings---or at least used to be an understanding---that when a driver is a lap or more down and there is only a few laps left---they should get the hell out of the way and let the leaders contend for the win.

Anyone here disagree with that?

Mark is one of the first to get the hell out of the way when he isn't contending---when he is leading---he should get the same due.

I thought he was being pretty polite, considering the situation.
 
Originally posted by Handymac@Oct 17 2004, 03:31 PM
What goes around is supposed to come around----right?

Most of the drivers say that---right?


Mark is/was upset because of one of the cardinal understandings---or at least used to be an understanding---that when a driver is a lap or more down and there is only a few laps left---they should get the hell out of the way and let the leaders contend for the win.

Anyone here disagree with that?

Mark is one of the first to get the hell out of the way when he isn't contending---when he is leading---he should get the same due.

I thought he was being pretty polite, considering the situation.
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It is a "gentleman's" agreement that lapped cars give way to leaders.

I've gone back and looked at my tape. Jimmy Spencer looked to be moving down low behind Gaughan to let Martin and Newman go. For some reason Brendan seemed to slow, and Jimmy hit him.
 
I never whine. Sit in the cornor and sulk,cry and gripe but never whine. :lol:
 
Brendan was slowing to pit. He wasn't going to make it though, Spencer couldn't miss him.
 
And because Spencer couldn't miss him he gets slammed for being a complete idiot! Gets a completely undeserved comment about why he even has a driver's license. That's what upset me most by Mark Martin.........it was a racing thing. Just like Kasey Kahne's.........only Kasey saw it for what it was. Mark did not....he felt it necessary to cast doubt on a couple of other drivers ability to drive. Not to mention all the band wagon hitchhikers running to jump on that dilapidated cart!!

Strange how a few chosen ones are never wrong..........and some are just never right. Depends if you are a "class act" or not, I suppose.
 
Hmmmm, I don't know where I stand here. I've defended Mark's whining because evreyone's been there, done that. And I've defended the guys he was whining about, (Brendan and Jimmy). For what I believe to be an incident that could be put in the "That's Racin'" column.


Boy, talk about sittin' on a fence!
 
Originally posted by Steve007@Oct 17 2004, 10:19 PM

Boy, talk about sittin' on a fence!
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OUCH :lol: that must hurt :lol: I'll go get the cheese and crackers to go with the whine.
I Know how upset Mark was, and I believe deservedly so, and in my opinion, he wasn't whining, just felt hurt by what happened and called it like he saw it.
 
Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Oct 16 2004, 11:36 PM
Are we talking about the interview tonight after his wreck with Jimmy Spencer and Brendan Gaughan? The same interview where he wondered out loud how some drivers got their drivers license? That wasn't sad...........that was pathetic!! Mark Martin was whining..........just like he's done a couple times since he got into the C4C about drivers remembering that he was running for a championship!! I'm not a particularly avid fan of Mark........but I really don't have anything against him either. Except he does whine.......and evidently does a pretty good job if his whine convinces people that he's the one that was truly wronged. That was a racing incident........not incompetence on any other driver involved.
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I have to agree witht he fatc tht the C4C drivers feel like they should be given some sort of special consideration and that is crap!! I mean if ANY car cannot compete then yes they should get out of the way but any full-time car that just happens not to be in the C4C does not have to pull over and let these others race, the non C4C are still racing for a million bucks, points, and proze money...All you C4C racers quit your whinning and get a faster car so you can pass becasue No one should have to pull over for you!!! JMO
 
I agree that people shouldn't have to just pull over but a lot of them do - depending on who's coming behind them...Better to pull over than be punted into the wall.

Martin - for the most part - probably isn't considered to be an overly agressive driver and maybe expects some level of courtesy for that. That being said, he should realize that some drivers don't pull over for ANYONE, anytime and consider that when closing on slower cars. He's been around long enough to know that whining about something like that doesn't get you anywhere.

On the Kahne thing, I don't see where it was bad luck on his part but a poor call to not pit for tires with the rest of the field.

BTW...did anyone take notice of who was driving the pace car? :rolleyes:
 
if it was Robby, Blaney, Gordon, Johnson, it would be "whining"

but since its mark martin it's "Heartbraking" :rolleyes:

:lol:
 
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