History Channel to air Madhouse Modifieds

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If you want to see the famous Bowman Gray Stadium and follow the action, check out the link... http://www.history.com/content/madhouse
Don't how many episodes will be aired, but they filmed the entire season this year and have said they will continue next season. Most of us are a bit leery of the authenticity of what you will see because of the cameras. Things were quite a bit more active this past year, but that's entertainment.
 
If you want to see the famous Bowman Gray Stadium and follow the action, check out the link... http://www.history.com/content/madhouse
Don't how many episodes will be aired, but they filmed the entire season this year and have said they will continue next season. Most of us are a bit leery of the authenticity of what you will see because of the cameras. Things were quite a bit more active this past year, but that's entertainment.

Thanks for pointing that out. Looks good to me
 
I spent about a half hour going through the various clips on that site and it took me right back to the stadium. Only four more months before they begin again.
 
Even better it will show how great the local tracks are to go watch.
 
No question that Bowman Gray Stadium is popular and the average Saturday night will field about 10,000 fans and on a packed night, about 15,000. One thing this show will try to show is the fans in their worst form. They/we do get very rowdy for sure, but when there is a camera pointed at people, they will do things they normally don't do. That is the same for the drivers as well.
 
The schedule on the History Channel's website shows two episodes, one at 10:00pm and one at 11:00pm. Is this going to be the same episode on twice or is it 2 new episodes for the premiere?
 
I don't know, but I'm not staying up 'til midnight to find out. History has a habit of re-airing its new programming at more convenient times- think I'll wait 'em out.
 
It's the same and will be re-run again twice more Monday morning. This is supposed to be a 13 week show.
 
Great show. In fact, epic show. But that's probably because its offseason and there's no other televised racing on. :beerbang::beerbang:
 
"Madhouse" Paints A Scripted Picture

I haven't watched the first episode yet but this review from The Daly Planet doesn't sound great.....

When entertainment TV takes on a reality topic, the results are usually interesting. Sunday night, the History Channel offered Madhouse. This program was edited from footage obtained during the 2009 racing season at Bowman Gray stadium in Winston Salem, NC.

It was produced by Triage Entertainment from Los Angeles, CA. Their credits include The Next Iron Chef, Home for the Holidays with Faith Hill and The Mentalist.

Madhouse is called a "docusoap." This hybrid word gives the production company and the TV network a very wide berth in producing the series. Basically, it puts right up front the fact that the series is based on real events that take place. In this case, a summer of racing at Bowman Gray. That would be the "docu" portion.

The wide berth comes with the admission of the "soap" part. From the start of the first episode, it was painfully obvious that a script was involved. It may not have contained specific words for the participants to say, but it was certainly clear that situations were staged and conflict was emphasized.

The goal of this type of series is to get viewers involved and keep them coming back. The premise of Madhouse is not the racing, but the off-track feuds and family conflicts that overshadow the action on the track. To some, this is a travesty as the sport of short track racing is much more than just animosity.

Casual viewers and perhaps those never exposed to racing are almost certainly going to be drawn-in by this strange mix of family conflict that seems to be played-out at high speeds on a racetrack. Painted as rednecks and compared to the Hatfields and McCoys, the end result was certainly not pretty.

Triage Entertainment made sure to include the angry fans flashing the middle digit. The audience seemed to be there for the fights, not the racing. Compared to gladiators, the winner's pit crew ran down the track after the race screaming "Kiss it, kiss it" to the fans. It was not a pretty picture of Americans.

The voice that tied the program together was a local radio DJ who seemed very clearly to be reading a script created long after the racing footage had been shot. Something had to be done by the producers to create a theme. In this episode, it was that the entire town was excited for this family rivalry to resume.

Madhouse is certainly not for everyone. Opinions were varied even after the preview of the first episode was seen. After opening with footage of one driver ramming his race car repeatedly into a stopped car on the track, this first show closed with a montage of violence off the track.

Profanity, fist fights and insults were used in the closing minutes to entice TV viewers back next week for more. Little of the actual racing, the mechanical aspects or the positive side of the sport was shown. It seems that is exactly how the producers and the network intended it to be.

Here are some early comments from media members:

Shawn Courchesne of The Hartford Courant: Madhouse doesn't paint a picture of short tracks. It doodles a caricature portraying the sport as entirely unkempt and disgustingly violent.

Dave Moody from Sirius Speedway and MRN Radio: Is it just me, or has the first 15 minutes of Madhouse already set the sport back 50 years? Madhouse is an embarrassment to the sport.

Jade Gurss of SPEEDtv.com: My impression of the first episode of Madhouse? Two words: Red. Neck.

Alan Cavanna a Charlotte area TV journalist: It's a show about short track racing in North Carolina. Were you expecting the wine-and-cheese crowd?

The Daly Planet: "Madhouse" Paints A Scripted Picture
 
Great show. In fact, epic show. But that's probably because its offseason and there's no other televised racing on. :beerbang::beerbang:

I wouldn't say great not epic. Chaotic, poorly produced, less than great race footage, and completely focused on the "drama" between Junior Miller and the Myers.

And Andy, you're apparently not payng attention. For the past two weeks, there's been plenty of televised racing. Lucas Oil dirt late models have had 5 hours of racing over the past two weekends on speed. Real racing, without the dramatised BS that this show focuses on.
 
I wouldn't say great not epic. Chaotic, poorly produced, less than great race footage, and completely focused on the "drama" between Junior Miller and the Myers.

And Andy, you're apparently not payng attention. For the past two weeks, there's been plenty of televised racing. Lucas Oil dirt late models have had 5 hours of racing over the past two weekends on speed. Real racing, without the dramatised BS that this show focuses on.

I think this episode wasnt great, because they really did not show enough race footage. But, it was the first episode so maybe it was more of an introduction. Also, the two drivers they focused on the most(Junior Miller and Burt Meyers) were out of the race early. If they had been in the race more, they probably would have shown more race footage. Overall, I enjoyed the show enough to watch it again.

And you are right, Speed has been showing some great racing the past couple of weekends. In addition to Lucas Oil Late models they have had DTM, British Touring Cars and Porshe Super Cup. I saw an ad on yesterday that they are doing 2 hours of Lucas Oil again next saturday.
 
Here's what I don't get. Why is Junior (not Dale Jr), and the other guy (I forgot his name) so fixated on wrecking one another? I watched this last night and I just couldn't get that. Which is why I'm liking Tim Brown, Tim just lets those two idiots have at one another and he just wins races.
 
The track, 3/8ths of a mile? Didn't seem to be a lot of banking at all.

The guy who built rather than buy parts, he's my type of guy.:D

I loved seeing the mods, wish my wife had a job that would have allowed me to stay home and be a pro driver!:D

Speaking of that, a 16 race season? seems real short and you guys have better (warmer) weather earlier and later than we do.

Seekonks season starts May 2 and runs until Oct 10
Waterfords March 27 to Oct 10
Stafford Springs April 17 to Oct 3
Thompsons April 10 to Oct 17

At Seekonk theres a cop in the pits for every ten cars in a division. If theres a on track incident they all converge on pits of the parties involved. You will be arrested and charged if you don't calm down. I have seen drivers do what was done in the show, repeatedly hit anothers car on track. More fist fights in the parking lot off track property then I can count. Good ol' yankee short track racin' at it's finest!!!:D:):beerbang::growl:
 
I know where this track is, I may have to go see some races.
 
I just got done watching it and thought that it was a pretty good show. I'll be watching the rest of the series.
 
Wow, I've been waiting for this as you can imagine. This is where the wife and I go each and every Saturday night during the season. Let me just say right off the bat that I am a proud badge wearer of Red Neck.

Let me try and answer some of the questions and comments offered here and there. First off, Bowman Gray Sadium is just that, a football stadium so the track is a flat, totally flat 1/4 mile track. No banking what so ever.

So, is it staged? Well yes and no. Put a camera in front of anyone and see if they don't change. Is the feud real? Yes, but it isn't as though Burt and Junior are only out there to wreck each other. In the last 15 years, the champion has come from three of the drivers, Burt, Junior and Tim Brown. If Burt and Junior only came to wreck each other, they wouldn't win anything. Some of the action you saw was taken from the year before so keep in mind, this is a show that is trying to get ratings.

So what is next? Let me try and tell who is what and where. First off, there are two "real" racers in the modified series. I would guess that you can tell who they are. Yep, Burt and Junior. Those two guys do more actual racing than any of the others put together. For both of them, winning is the object of the game. Everything else is just secondary. So what about Tim? Tim is a points racer and doesn't take any chances unless it's the last race of the season and he has to finish ahead of someone. Burt and Junior will do what they can to pass, though Junior has the biggest reputation of taking out the guy in front of him rather than trying to pass him. Burt has the reputation of at least giving the outside a shot. But that is asking for trouble on this track. If your car isn't obviously faster than the guy in front of you, passing on the outside is totally out of the question. This is where the "chrome horn" comes in. That front bumper that you saw Burt and Jason changing is bent many times, and it isn't always from spinning another car out. Think about this, the track is 1/4 mile, with the straights being what, maybe 1/8 of a mile. If there is a problem, it's not like there is plenty of time to stop. These cars run bumper to bumper all the way around the track.

Why is this called the Madhouse? The "usual" night of racing is two 25 lap races with the second race lineup determined by a draw after the first race. The first race is lined up according to qualifying. The winner of the first race draws for the starting positions of the second race with the possible reversals anywhere from 8 to 16. This track only starts 24 cars and of late, the mods only have averaged about 20 cars so only those slowest of the slow ever get a real chance of starting from the pole.

So much for the racing as this series obviously isn't aimed at racing. Now for the charactors. Tim Brown...what you see is what you get...except in the winner's circle. Tim is one of those that have huge numbers of fans, but huge numbers of anti-fans. If he wasn't so arrogant in the winner's circle, he would probably have more fans than anyone, but he loves to tweak the crowd. Chris Fleming...what can I say about this guy...not much. He says he is known as the "Show Stopper". Wha? This is the first time anyone, including those in the pits have heard of this, so he has obviously tried to take on a new identity. Chris has been racing on and off for many years. His brother Frank though has had much more success both here and on the SMART tour. Also, Chris' son Luke is attempting to move up to the mods and is a lot more controversial than his old man. If you can remember Jason Myers comment about Chris, it's spot on. Example...my friend from work who owns two of these cars spots for one of his drivers. Once in a year where Chris wasn't driving, he was spotting for his son. Luke spouted off and developed his own reputation and as a young stud who could do anything. Andy (my friend not our esteemed forum pal) who was in the spotters stand quipped, "Chris, your boy's mouth is going to get him in trouble one of these days". Andy told me that Chris turned and threatened him. Later, Chris came to Andy and told him that "Man, I love you" as though nothing had happened. Showstopper? Chris is almost always a back marker so this moniker just won't stick.

Junior Miller. What can I say? This is the man that will always be compare to Dale Earnhardt of Bowman Gray Stadium. Junior has been around for many years and is a pure racer. Junior has paid his dues and is owed a debt of gratitude for what he has done. Junior has won more races at the stadium than anyone (in the featured series only), but that's not all. He has raced in the Winston Cup and Busch series as well when independent drivers had a chance. Junior could have been Richard Childress if he had been in the right places and they know each other well. Junior is the most loved and hated driver at Bowman Gray Stadium. Does this sound like DE or what?

Okay now the Myers boys. They come from a long line of drivers. Their grandfather and father as well as their father's uncle all raced at the stadium as champs. Billy and Bob have a NASCAR Award named for them. Both of them died on the track, Billy of a heart attack on the track at BGS and Bobby a year before at Darlington. Also, Danny "Chocolate" Myers is the uncle of Burt and Jason. Gary, Burt and Jason's father, son of Billy, continued the tradition of racing and is now retired from sitting behind the wheel, but is very much a part of the family racing. Burt began first in the modified series and Jason came up later after winning the championship in a lower series.

Let me just finish by saying that much of what you see in this series is exactly what you would see in person. The wild fans are there with or without the cameras. Fingers flying...yep and there are plenty of people who criticize this. I belong to a forum much like this one but for BGS and we've had plenty of discussions about this very subject. But the sport is emotional and nothing I've seen is any different than what I've witnessed at a big time track. The difference is that the fans are much close to the track...much closer. One thing that wasn't shown, but was obvious was that the stands were full...well over 12,000 fans. While this was just the first race of the season, it wasn't unusual to have the stands full. On a slow night, the stadium will have close to 10,000 thrilled fans. When they have a special night, the stands will be full and over crowed...probably close to 16,000 fans in the stands.

In closing, remember that there are four different series that race at the stadium. The mods, limited late models, limited, limited late models and four cylinder stockers. What you see is real, but of course heightened because of the cameras. You will find this everywhere at any short track around the country. Hell, you would see this at the top tracks if the NASCAR tops let things go. And, if you think this is wild, if only you could see the lower series! :beerbang:
 
Wow, I've been waiting for this as you can imagine. This is where the wife and I go each and every Saturday night during the season. Let me just say right off the bat that I am a proud badge wearer of Red Neck.

Let me try and answer some of the questions and comments offered here and there. First off, Bowman Gray Sadium is just that, a football stadium so the track is a flat, totally flat 1/4 mile track. No banking what so ever.

So, is it staged? Well yes and no. Put a camera in front of anyone and see if they don't change. Is the feud real? Yes, but it isn't as though Burt and Junior are only out there to wreck each other. In the last 15 years, the champion has come from three of the drivers, Burt, Junior and Tim Brown. If Burt and Junior only came to wreck each other, they wouldn't win anything. Some of the action you saw was taken from the year before so keep in mind, this is a show that is trying to get ratings.

So what is next? Let me try and tell who is what and where. First off, there are two "real" racers in the modified series. I would guess that you can tell who they are. Yep, Burt and Junior. Those two guys do more actual racing than any of the others put together. For both of them, winning is the object of the game. Everything else is just secondary. So what about Tim? Tim is a points racer and doesn't take any chances unless it's the last race of the season and he has to finish ahead of someone. Burt and Junior will do what they can to pass, though Junior has the biggest reputation of taking out the guy in front of him rather than trying to pass him. Burt has the reputation of at least giving the outside a shot. But that is asking for trouble on this track. If your car isn't obviously faster than the guy in front of you, passing on the outside is totally out of the question. This is where the "chrome horn" comes in. That front bumper that you saw Burt and Jason changing is bent many times, and it isn't always from spinning another car out. Think about this, the track is 1/4 mile, with the straights being what, maybe 1/8 of a mile. If there is a problem, it's not like there is plenty of time to stop. These cars run bumper to bumper all the way around the track.

Why is this called the Madhouse? The "usual" night of racing is two 25 lap races with the second race lineup determined by a draw after the first race. The first race is lined up according to qualifying. The winner of the first race draws for the starting positions of the second race with the possible reversals anywhere from 8 to 16. This track only starts 24 cars and of late, the mods only have averaged about 20 cars so only those slowest of the slow ever get a real chance of starting from the pole.

So much for the racing as this series obviously isn't aimed at racing. Now for the charactors. Tim Brown...what you see is what you get...except in the winner's circle. Tim is one of those that have huge numbers of fans, but huge numbers of anti-fans. If he wasn't so arrogant in the winner's circle, he would probably have more fans than anyone, but he loves to tweak the crowd. Chris Fleming...what can I say about this guy...not much. He says he is known as the "Show Stopper". Wha? This is the first time anyone, including those in the pits have heard of this, so he has obviously tried to take on a new identity. Chris has been racing on and off for many years. His brother Frank though has had much more success both here and on the SMART tour. Also, Chris' son Luke is attempting to move up to the mods and is a lot more controversial than his old man. If you can remember Jason Myers comment about Chris, it's spot on. Example...my friend from work who owns two of these cars spots for one of his drivers. Once in a year where Chris wasn't driving, he was spotting for his son. Luke spouted off and developed his own reputation and as a young stud who could do anything. Andy (my friend not our esteemed forum pal) who was in the spotters stand quipped, "Chris, your boy's mouth is going to get him in trouble one of these days". Andy told me that Chris turned and threatened him. Later, Chris came to Andy and told him that "Man, I love you" as though nothing had happened. Showstopper? Chris is almost always a back marker so this moniker just won't stick.

Junior Miller. What can I say? This is the man that will always be compare to Dale Earnhardt of Bowman Gray Stadium. Junior has been around for many years and is a pure racer. Junior has paid his dues and is owed a debt of gratitude for what he has done. Junior has won more races at the stadium than anyone (in the featured series only), but that's not all. He has raced in the Winston Cup and Busch series as well when independent drivers had a chance. Junior could have been Richard Childress if he had been in the right places and they know each other well. Junior is the most loved and hated driver at Bowman Gray Stadium. Does this sound like DE or what?

Okay now the Myers boys. They come from a long line of drivers. Their grandfather and father as well as their father's uncle all raced at the stadium as champs. Billy and Bob have a NASCAR Award named for them. Both of them died on the track, Billy of a heart attack on the track at BGS and Bobby a year before at Darlington. Also, Danny "Chocolate" Myers is the uncle of Burt and Jason. Gary, Burt and Jason's father, son of Billy, continued the tradition of racing and is now retired from sitting behind the wheel, but is very much a part of the family racing. Burt began first in the modified series and Jason came up later after winning the championship in a lower series.

Let me just finish by saying that much of what you see in this series is exactly what you would see in person. The wild fans are there with or without the cameras. Fingers flying...yep and there are plenty of people who criticize this. I belong to a forum much like this one but for BGS and we've had plenty of discussions about this very subject. But the sport is emotional and nothing I've seen is any different than what I've witnessed at a big time track. The difference is that the fans are much close to the track...much closer. One thing that wasn't shown, but was obvious was that the stands were full...well over 12,000 fans. While this was just the first race of the season, it wasn't unusual to have the stands full. On a slow night, the stadium will have close to 10,000 thrilled fans. When they have a special night, the stands will be full and over crowed...probably close to 16,000 fans in the stands.

In closing, remember that there are four different series that race at the stadium. The mods, limited late models, limited, limited late models and four cylinder stockers. What you see is real, but of course heightened because of the cameras. You will find this everywhere at any short track around the country. Hell, you would see this at the top tracks if the NASCAR tops let things go. And, if you think this is wild, if only you could see the lower series! :beerbang:

Looked like a typical day at the short track to me, Buck. :)

That type of stuff does happen all the time at short tracks across America. The cameras just escalated it a little bit.
 
Thanks for the track info Buck. But only a 16 race season? They run at other tracks too?

24 to 26 race dates at local tracks here.
 
Thanks for the track info Buck. But only a 16 race season? They run at other tracks too?

24 to 26 race dates at local tracks here.

Got this from Buck, but I'm sure he'll answer himself too:D

this track is the home football field for Winston Salem State University and that is why the season ends so early.
 
Okay, enough of the fun. Here's the rub. Bowman Gray Stadium is owned by the city of Winston Salem. There has been NASCAR racing there since 1948. It is also leased to Winston Salem State University, a traditionally black university of the NC University system. When the racing season is in full swing, the stadium is geared for it with barriers in the infield for corner workers and pace car. These barriers are not easily removed and replaced. But what's more, since WSSU leases the stadium, they also use it for their practice facility. WSSU pays the city a pretty nice fee for the use. Here is what is interesting...WSSU wants to own the stadium, or at least stop the racing there. Football games there generate an average of around 5,000 people. Not a bad number for small college games and for five or six games. But during racing season, the average attendance is closer to 10,000 and that is for the 16 weeks or so. Parking for the games is not free, but for racing is gratis.

Those of us who attend the races each and every Saturday night moan at the length of the schedule, but SST, yes there are races at other tracks before and after the season. Those races are sanctioned by two different series, both NASCAR and ASA. NASCAR sanctions the Whelen Southern Modified Tour (see my avatar) and they race at dates that do not compete with the weekly racing at BGS. Many of the regular BGS drivers also race in both of those other races. The ASA series is still young and having a hard time making a go of it, but there are still some races scheduled. The majority of the races in the NASCAR series is held at Caraway Speedway, south of WS/Greensboro. But races are also scheduled this year at Atlanta Motor Speedway (1/4 mile track inside the main track) and Concord (the former Lowes Motor Speedway). They are also competing with the northern contingent at Bristol. They used to do the same at Martinsville, but not this year for some reason. I suspect though that some of the better drivers, (Burt, Jr, and Tim) will probably show up anyway.

Hope that clears things up a little.
 
I respect Dave Moody, but I don't know what the hell he's thinking. He basically said MADHOUSE was a soap opera and that this type of stuff doesn't happen at short tracks.

I can tell you, from experience, it does, all the time. I don't know why the NASCAR media's trying to sugarcoat things, but whatever. Once more, they're wrong.
 
Buck ive had a question and maybe you can answer it.

I have a hard time believing chris flemming when he says hes broke and i see his modified and what looks like a brand new dirt late model in another room with a new body and nose on it.

Does he borrow someone elses garage or is he racing dirt as well?
 
Buck ive had a question and maybe you can answer it.

I have a hard time believing chris flemming when he says hes broke and i see his modified and what looks like a brand new dirt late model in another room with a new body and nose on it.

Does he borrow someone elses garage or is he racing dirt as well?
I really can't tell you all that much about Chris but I can find out. Actually Chris' brother Frank is much better known at BGS but Frank has stopped driving at the stadium and only concentrates his driving on the modified tour races. Also, Chris's son Luke is coming up in the racing scene and drives a limited late model at the stadium, but did race a modified at the tour race at the stadium last year and won (the top cars were taken out in a couple of wrecks.). I just don't think that Chris or any of the Flemmings race at any of the dirt tracks. One last thing on Chris, my friend who owns two of those mods tells me that he has never heard anyone call Chris the "Show Stopper". Seldom is Chis a factor in any of the races at the stadium, or on the tour for that matter. I'll try and get a better answer, but it will be after Saturday because I'm off work til then.
 
I went to WSSU, and I've passed by Bowman's Stadium tons of time, I never knew it housed a race track. Well when the racing season starts again, I'll def. make a trip up there.
 
I went to WSSU, and I've passed by Bowman's Stadium tons of time, I never knew it housed a race track. Well when the racing season starts again, I'll def. make a trip up there.
Now that is very hard to believe. They've been racing there since 1948 and the Who's Who in early NASCAR have all raced there. The noise the cars generate can be heard for miles around. If you went to WSSU, where did you live?
 
Now that is very hard to believe. They've been racing there since 1948 and the Who's Who in early NASCAR have all raced there. The noise the cars generate can be heard for miles around. If you went to WSSU, where did you live?

I went to their Master in Occupational Therapy Program, and their classes usually ended at around 3:00pm. I lived in a crappy apartment called "Salem's Crossing". I say it was crappy because it was in the bad part of town, there was a strip club down the road, it had drug addicts, welfare people, and your basic dregs of society. Worse place I have ever lived.
 
Well believe me, the people who live within a mile of the track know about it each and every Saturday during the season. They practice in the morning til noon and the begin again about 5:00. You'll have to come to the races sometime and have some fun. Check the schedule for the northern tour against the schedule at BGS and if there is an open date up north, some of those guys might come down and race. Ted Christopher was going to last year but the race he was suppose to make was rained out and he couldn't make it the next week. But another of the northern boys did and did pretty good considering it being a totally different track than what he was used to. Also, while the tour uses 15 inch tires, the weekly series boys (and girl) only use 10 tires. Believe it or not, the more narrow tires are faster and you can see that when the tour comes to BGS and they have to put those big tires on the cars. Then the BGS regulars switch back to the 10 inch tires and race.

One other reason to drop by and see a race is you never know who might show up. As I've mentioned many times before, Bobby Hutchens, who is Tony Stewarts chief of racing operations, drives one of those mods for a co-worker of mine. Last year during one of the off weeks in Cup racing, Tony dropped in to watch Bobby. He was very impressed with not only the facility, but the number of fans in the stands. I would not rule out either him, or Ryan Newman showing up some Saturday and giving it a go. Maybe even Kasey Kahne. Both Kahne and Newman drove modifieds at Bristol last year.
 
I don't know if it will be seen in the series, but there are four different series that run at BGS. The featured cars are of course the mods. The next step down is the limited late models. Most of these care now are going with a crate motor. Next stop down is pure six cylinder street stock and the lowest class is what they call the Stadium Stocker, 4 cylinder cars that are about 95% Ford Mustangs, but there has been a VW Bug who raced and actually won many races. Anyway, you'll find it all there and the price is right...and if you hit the right date, you can bring you lady friends and they can all get in for a buck. Parking is free. Now how about that! AND you can bring your own cooler, but no alcohol is allowed to be brought into the Stadium. If you want a beer, you have to go to the beer section and buy and drink it there. But that place gets pretty rowdy if you can imagine that.
 
Buckaroo, I have a question, on Madhouse they said that the race (the main event) last for 200 laps, is that true? I'd have to figure that their gas and tires won't last for 200 laps.
 
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