Home Depot to end JGR sponsorship after 2014

Oh. Per race. Got it now. He said "paint scheme" and I thought it was the actual cost decorating the car (lol). DAMN those are some expensive decals.
Hahaha... Sorry...just a different way of saying "primary sponsor." The sticker packages are usually pretty cheap. You can do an entire car for a grand or two. Sometimes if it's a one off sponsor, they won't even wrap the backup car. They'll just have the stickers on standby. When we did the Wonder Car for Kurt last year, the backup car in the hauler was a base model that would have been wrapped overnight if the Wonder car had wrecked before race day.
 
I never said being a winner, or driving out front didn't work when it happens. I said "the days of measuring successful sponsorship based on how the car finishes on the track are long gone." Trust me...I've sat through sales presentations from just about every single team in the garage. They're mostly the same. "Here's how much each part of the car costs for X number of races, and here's how well we do on the track, so here's how many people should see your message." Honestly...you'd smile if you knew how similar each team's "sales presentations" were. And they always start off with "we're not like any other team." It's actually charming.

The investigation that went into the National Guard is the smoking gun that supports my point. There's no doubt in my mind the National Guard got significant return on investment from their association with Jr. No doubt whatsoever. Problem is, other than Repucom or Joyce Julius numbers showing what kind of race day exposure the brand got - no one else had any kind of other pertinent data. NASCAR sponsorships have got to work harder than race day logo recognition.

Also...many big time NASCAR sponsorships are born from top executives being NASCAR fans (a CEO, President, Marketing Director etc). They typically have personal relationships with the owners (Hendrick, Gibbs, Richard C etc...all guys who usually have very good relationships with, and are responsible for bringing in and keeping many relationships). The relationship tends to last as long as the executives last. Sometimes, the execs are replaced by other execs who are ok with the NASCAR $$. Other times (Office Depot, UPS, many more) an executive is replaced by someone who says "what the hell are we getting out of NASCAR anyway?" It's up to the teams to be able to prove significant ROI...and very few are able. Many sponsorships are a house of cards.

But back to the original point - if you're sitting back until Sunday, and praying the driver and paint scheme does well that day for marketing purposes, you're doing it all wrong. Race day should be the celebration of a successful marketing program, not THE marketing program. Top finishes should be gravy, not turkey.
You are spot on. I have seen some of the best and longest running sponsorships go away just because an exec left the company or the company was sold or merged. You only have to look as far as Kenny Bernstein and Budweiser or Del Worsham and Checker Schuck's Kragen. Now, it will be Castro and Ford leaving John Force Racing at the end of this year. I think it works about the same in most of the racing series.
 
Mark Martin didn't seem to have a problem getting sponsorship when he was at Roush.

I think some drivers take it upon themselves to build and maintain a personal relationship with company execs . You'll see them still in their car in Victory Lane , calling the sponsor at home to celebrate a victory together . I think that (among others) Jamie Mac is one of those guys . In interviews , he mentions the company brass by name . In the sponsors' hospitality suites , a driver can make or break his career by being personable with the guests . Mark Martin was that type too. I heard him mention Cummins Deisel a thousand times ....Viagra ..not so much. :)
 
payscale drops like crazy too. Around 40 grand a year for a crewman, and all the travel and hours you can stand. tough if you have a family, the team is not going to pay for their lodging if they come along.
I don't know about strictly pit crew...but, some of the hauler drivers that also work at the track makes between $70,000 and $100,000 a year. I would also think they get bonuses if they win.
 
Hahaha... Sorry...just a different way of saying "primary sponsor." The sticker packages are usually pretty cheap. You can do an entire car for a grand or two. Sometimes if it's a one off sponsor, they won't even wrap the backup car. They'll just have the stickers on standby. When we did the Wonder Car for Kurt last year, the backup car in the hauler was a base model that would have been wrapped overnight if the Wonder car had wrecked before race day.
Interesting insights. I totally agree it comes down to leadership at companies being fans of the sport themselves. that doesn't always remain the same as you have said. So lets say a time that has had long time sponsorship from a certain company. IMO this could make it harder for them because they have rested and always thought they had it in the bag rather having to work at it. I do think MWR does more for their sponsors than other teams. They come up with unique ways of getting the sponsors message out.
 
I don't know about strictly pit crew...but, some of the hauler drivers that also work at the track makes between $70,000 and $100,000 a year. I would also think they get bonuses if they win.
From Ask.com
An average salary for a pit crew member who travels and work on race day is about $72,000, plus bonuses which are earned for speed. With all these, they can earn more than $100,000 a year. This average does not include the crew chief, who can make much more!
 
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payscale drops like crazy too. Around 40 grand a year for a crewman, and all the travel and hours you can stand. tough if you have a family, the team is not going to pay for their lodging if they come along.
Perfect job for young, single people who love to travel.
 
From Ask.com
An average salary for a pit crew member who travels and work on race day is about $72,000, plus bonuses which are earned for speed. With all these, they can earn more than $100,000 a year. This average does not include the pit crew chief, who can make much more!
I was going off of what some of the hauler drivers had told me...but, i also just found this link that discusses it under salaries. Them guys earn their money...they put in a lot of miles per year. http://www.ehow.com/list_7819147_nascar-transporter-jobs.html
 
You should know, hauler king of the forums. :D
LOL...The Nascar guys put us to shame. We don't run a fraction of what they do. They have to go back to the shop a lot more and they have to go do a lot of testing at different tracks. We usually just test on Mon at the same track we just raced on on Sun.:D
 
Home Depot started backing off when Sliced bread was bombing in the 20 car. Tony didn't like running an orange car color scheme, and he puked when Gibbs went to Toyota. Tony was getting backed by Chevrolet in his sprints and late models so he got out ASAP and started his own show. All the while Lowes was getting even bigger with the 48 and Lowes Motor Speedway and the Home Depot car was tanking. IMO the 20 car despite a flutter last year is still tanking compared to the Lowes 48. I think it is like NAPA in a way, they made a good decision to go with Elliott, you see a lot of the Napa car when it is race time. Who knows if Home Depot will continue or call it quits.

Home Depot had a management change halfway through the Logano years that was not into NASCAR.

Chevy didn't think highly enough of Tony to move Gibbs up the food chain apparently. Thus, the JGR move to Toyota.

I would like to think that NASCAR is powerful enough that corporations would be jacked about performance, but I doubt it.

Home Depot is gone for good IMO.
 
Home Depot had a management change halfway through the Logano years that was not into NASCAR.

Chevy didn't think highly enough of Tony to move Gibbs up the food chain apparently. Thus, the JGR move to Toyota.

I would like to think that NASCAR is powerful enough that corporations would be jacked about performance, but I doubt it.

Home Depot is gone for good IMO.
There has been rumors floating around the Nhra scene that a major Sponsor is coming back to sponsor a nitro team starting in 2015, and the fact that John Force is losing Ford and Castrol at the end of the year and is going to be announcing a major sponsorship in the future has had all the hard core fans trying to guess who it is...and now with the news of Home Depot leaving Nascar they are all leaning towards Home Depot or Peak. But, i don't think it is Home Depot or Peak, personally. We were pitted right next to him in Atlanta a few weeks ago and he just added 5 brand new Featherlite trailers to his fleet...so someone is bringing some big money in.
 
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Can't say I'm surprised to the the HD sponsorship go. Sucks to lose a sponsor that's been in the sport since 1999, but their involvement has really dwindled the last couple years so the writing was on the wall.

#Let'sNotDoThis
 
There has been rumors floating around the Nhra scene that a major Sponsor is coming back to sponsor a nitro team starting in 2015, and the fact that John Force is losing Ford and Castrol at the end of the year and is going to be announcing a major sponsorship in the future has had all the hard core fans trying to guess who it is...and now with the news of Home Depot leaving Nascar they are all leaning towards Home Depot or Peak. But, i don't think it is Home Depot or Peak, personally. We were pitted right next to him in Atlanta a few weeks ago and he just added 5 brand new Featherlite trailers to his fleet...so someone is bringing some big money in.

what does even 1 of those new rigs cost today ?
 
With the cost of racing going up and up and all the side things they need to do at the tracks, they just aren't getting their moneys worth anymore. imo racing is pricing it's self right back to the 70's and that is fine with me.
 
With the cost of racing going up and up and all the side things they need to do at the tracks, they just aren't getting their moneys worth anymore. imo racing is pricing it's self right back to the 70's and that is fine with me.
It doesn't help that NASCAR's idea of cutting costs is reducing horsepower.
 
I hate the weekly paint schemes. I miss the old days when one car had a paint scheme the entire season, with maybe a special one for the Coke 600 or Pepsi 400.

What bothers me the most is when a car has one paint scheme (usually only for one or two race) and the pit crew is wearing uniforms from another paint scheme because the team didn't make up uniforms for just one race. That is the most busch league crap I have ever seen, and some big teams do it, too. I understand that having firesuits made for X amount of guys costs money, but jesus it just looks low-brow.


I 100% agree!

But, I also understand the reason they "HAVE" to change now, verses a few years ago. I mean Jeff Gordon, Mr. red flames, had a freaking blue car at Sonomao_O! Ad dollars are hard to come by and getting harder.
 
From Ask.com
An average salary for a pit crew member who travels and work on race day is about $72,000, plus bonuses which are earned for speed. With all these, they can earn more than $100,000 a year. This average does not include the crew chief, who can make much more!
That's an accurate claim for "over the wall" guys. Of course it is considerably less for "behind the wall" guys and considerably more for "engineers"!
 
what does even 1 of those new rigs cost today ?
You can wrap half a million in one pretty easy depending on what you get. But, that's half of what a drivers motorcoach can go for. The trailers will last a very long time if you keep them inside and you take really good care of them. One of the important things is to keep really good tires and wheel bearings on them...a blown tire can rip the side right out of a trailer and a bad wheel bearing can burn it to the ground, just like penske's did a few years ago with their Indy car hauler. I have pulled the Featherlite trailer that is in my avatar for about 10 years and it is still in exellent shape. It has the full lounge in front and a full machine shop down stairs with a lathe for cutting blower strippings, plus a clutch grinder, valve grinder, drill press, welder, plus, we keep 4 engines and 8 sets of cylinder heads under the work benches. Then we carry two race cars up stairs with an engine in one of them. You can fill a trailer up pretty fast...that is why most of the Nhra teams use two trailers for each team.
 
You can wrap half a million in one pretty easy depending on what you get. But, that's half of what a drivers motorcoach can go for. The trailers will last a very long time if you keep them inside and you take really good care of them. One of the important things is to keep really good tires and wheel bearings on them...a blown tire can rip the side right out of a trailer and a bad wheel bearing can burn it to the ground, just like penske's did a few years ago with their Indy car hauler. I have pulled the Featherlite trailer that is in my avatar for about 10 years and it is still in exellent shape. It has the full lounge in front and a full machine shop down stairs with a lathe for cutting blower strippings, plus a clutch grinder, valve grinder, drill press, welder, plus, we keep 4 engines and 8 sets of cylinder heads under the work benches. Then we carry two race cars up stairs with an engine in one of them. You can fill a trailer up pretty fast...that is why most of the Nhra teams use two trailers for each team.

lotsa good info nitro......avg fan prolly has no idea all that is in hauler.
1/2 $ mill......pretty good reason why they only hire tha best drivers !
don't most drivers spend in between races in lounge......w/ tech guys ...vs private coach ?
 
lotsa good info nitro......avg fan prolly has no idea all that is in hauler.
1/2 $ mill......pretty good reason why they only hire tha best drivers !
don't most drivers spend in between races in lounge......w/ tech guys ...vs private coach ?
They hangout in there some, but most of the time they are with their family in their coach.
 
That's an accurate claim for "over the wall" guys. Of course it is considerably less for "behind the wall" guys and considerably more for "engineers"!
Agreed, but I thing in general "I" or "we" typically think of the "middle of the road" teams like the 22, 15, 31, 17, 27, 16, 55, 1, and probably even the 4, 18, 99, 11, and 5. Those teams are probably getting paid 60k-70k.
YEP. Plus The bonuses.
 
Joe Gibbs Racing (JGR) and Dollar General announce today an expanded partnership with a multi-year agreement for the 2015 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series season and beyond. In addition, JGR announces the contract extension of driver Matt Kenseth that will keep him behind the wheel of the No. 20 Dollar General Toyota.

Dollar General, based in Goodlettsville, Tennessee, will increase its sponsorship to 30 races with Matt Kenseth and the No. 20 team, up from 27 in 2014 and 17 in 2013.

http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140628-902481.html
 
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