Horrific Boat Fire

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  1. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

  2. sdj

    sdj Just a race fan

    One word, "HORRIFIC" , way to die.
     
  3. Johali

    Johali Team Owner Contributor

    Fire is the worst thing imaginable that could happen on any vessel. Peace be with them.
     
  4. TexasRaceLady

    TexasRaceLady Plank Owner Contributor

    I was just shaking when I first read about the fire. Such a tragedy for all involved.
     
  5. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    I’ve been watching this unfold as soon as it was reported.
    I knew it was bad when initial reports said 20-some people were missing.
     
  6. Magnethead

    Magnethead Admin & Resident Techie Staff Member

    I struggle to comprehend a closed space with no emergency hatch or anything

    Or onboard automatic fire suppression

    Or onboard fire alarms
     
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  7. Johali

    Johali Team Owner Contributor

    I think that It had to be an explosion of some kind that immediately engulfed the entire vessel. The crew members that were awake on the bridge were required to be there and it seems that they were caught off guard. There has to be escape hatches with no outside locks at every block off point on the boat including the entry door. On board fire suppression is usually below in the maintenance/engine compartments of larger vessels because that's where most of them start. If they had one then an explosion would be the reason that it didn't work . There are fire/smoke alarms required that are extremely loud and consistent until shut off. Another reason that it could of been an explosion.
     
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  8. Magnethead

    Magnethead Admin & Resident Techie Staff Member

    That's the only thing that makes a lick of sense, really. Those boats are usually diesel powered, which is generally vaporless. I know one article said there was propane onboard for cooking. Would think there would be Carbon Monoxide detectors present if there were smoke/fire alarms, but I'm not sure that CO detectors will alarm for Propane?
     
  9. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    There’s 911 audio on one of the news websites, I don’t recall anyone saying anything about an explosion. Doesn’t mean there wasn’t one. I didn’t see any debris in the water that would’ve been expected had an explosion occurred.
     
  10. Johali

    Johali Team Owner Contributor

    No it wont. An LP gas detector is required if there is any on board. LP gas is heavier than air so the detectors have to be near the deck and on the lower levels.
     
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  11. Johali

    Johali Team Owner Contributor

    Hopefully they'll figure it out once the crew has been questioned fully and the hull is brought to the surface, warehoused and examined. Everyone will want to know exactly what happened, family, friends, insurance companies and especially the Coast Guard Marine Safety Center, the NTSB and other agencies.
     
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  12. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

  13. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    Apparently not an explosion, per that article. Also, it clarified that the crew's quarters were on the upper deck, near the bridge. I don't know if a vessel like that, stationary overnight at anchor, would be required to have a crew member awake on watch overnight... @Johali?

    This is a terrible tragedy that hits slightly close to home for me. I've spent time on various dive boats, and used to date a young lady who was a cook on a dive boat working the California Channel Islands... the exact same location as this horrific accident.
     
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  14. Johali

    Johali Team Owner Contributor

    Yes they would. Any commercial vessel is required to have a standard watch on duty any time that there's anyone on board. At anchor, dockside or underway. And it was reported that crew members were awake on the bridge while others slept in the crew quarters.

    An explosion on a vessel could be a lot different than an explosion elsewhere. If it was the LP gas then it could have been more of a flashback that engulfed the entire vessel in an instant. In that case there would have been zero oxygen, along with the fire and heat, in any enclosed space which pretty much means instant death. Any fire on a vessel is horrific.

    I would never sail on a vessel that had LP gas aboard. The power source for anything is what diesel generators are for.
     
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  15. Johali

    Johali Team Owner Contributor

    There is now talk of leaving the hull there. I can't believe that they would do that.
     
  16. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

  17. Bobw

    Bobw Team Owner

    From an article I read, the boat had propane fueled stoves. Propane is heavier than air. A slight leak would fill the bilge with gas. The cook was preparing to start cooking for breakfast. His turning on the stove may have started the fire.
     
  18. Johali

    Johali Team Owner Contributor

    In addition to propane, LPG can be butane, isobutane or any of a number of different gases. The difference between LP and propane is that LP includes propane but propane is only one of the LP gases. Essentially, LP gas and propane are the same thing.Aug 22, 2019

    https://www.elgas.com.au/blog/350-propane-lpg-whats-what
     
  19. Magnethead

    Magnethead Admin & Resident Techie Staff Member

    I can't imagine they'd leave the hull down. The families should be wanting it raised, and if nothing else, so should the NTSB.

    60 feet isn't that deep to raise from. But it depends on what's left of the hull, wether it's raised by tether or by sheet.
     
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  20. Johali

    Johali Team Owner Contributor

    If it's stable enough they would probably float-bag it to the surface, get it to shallower water or near a structure if possible then decide their next step. That's the way they usually recover them
     
  21. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    I read a partial transcript somewhere of the 911 call where the reporting party said that there were people “locked” below deck. I’m not exactly sure what that meant but I’d imagine that’s part of the investigation.
     
  22. Johali

    Johali Team Owner Contributor

    That bothered me at first until I read that the transcript of the call was from the yacht owner that brought the survivors aboard. Blocked by fire and locked is very similar in an emergency situation. I really hope that they get this figured out soon. Especially for the sake of the family's of the ones that were lost.
     
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  23. BobbyFord

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  24. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    Someone said the lithium batteries in some of the devices that were in the charging station was the likely source of the fire.
     
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    Johali Team Owner Contributor

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