How Brian Scott got pawned.

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Here's the last restart Brian Scott controlled as the race leader.

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Brian, the leader, is out front leading them to the restart box.

Here's the last restart, which Brad was controlling as the race leader.

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Notice something out of place? Why is Brian ahead of the race leader? Brad hasn't dropped back, because there is a nice gap between him and the car behind him.

So Brad uses this to go half throttle a bit early, because he knew he could time it so......

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.....everything would look fine when he got to the restart box, and he would have the momentum.
 
After watching a lot of Raceview over the past few years, I've noticed quite a few times Brad has "jumped" the restart when he was the leader.

Here's an instance from the Chase race at Texas last year. Both Jimmie and Kyle Busch bitched about it




Kyle's @ 6:45

 
DSquad48 said:
After watching a lot of Raceview over the past few years, I've noticed quite a few times Brad has "jumped" the restart when he was the leader.

Here's an instance from the Chase race at Texas last year. Both Jimmie and Kyle Busch bitched about it




Kyle's @ 6:45
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BS. BradK's the victim. NASCAR's out to get him. Just ask him, he'll tell you.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
BS. BradK's the victim. NASCAR's out to get him. Just ask him, he'll tell you.
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True dat. At the 10:50 mark of the second video - Brad K: "Can't do everthing when somebody's handed the race time after time." :confused:
 
Just feel bad for the guy.. Leading all those laps and coming up short. Heaven forbid a full time Nationwide driver win a flippin' race!
 
Sidewayz said:
Just feel bad for the guy.. Leading all those laps and coming up short. Heaven forbid a full time Nationwide driver win a flippin' race!
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Shouldn't have even come down to this, with those so-called debris cautions.
Then, the caution flies for the #44 brushing the wall with 21 laps to go. You can tell by the replay that that the track caution light guy had the trigger set and ready to go.

Just wasn't meant to be for Brian Scott.
And, imo, that ain't no coincidence.
 
again......get cup guys outa nns !
stinks up tha show every race !
 
Kerry Tharp Of NASCAR Says They Made What They Thought Was The Correct Call At The Time.

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Brian Scott Says NASCAR Agrees That Keselowski Did In Fact Jump The Restart.

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Brad Keselowski Talks About The Restart In Question On SiriusXM NASCAR Radio.

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@BubbaWallace

So it's safe to say B.Scott got kicked in the balls again...?


@ClintBowyer

Just call it like I see it. 2 car got robbed from his first win and a history making run!
 
Ooookay people... do u guys remember the prior restart.. when Brian Scott spun his tires and gave up the lead? Yeeah.. that was the race... not the next restart whether Brad jumped it or not... also.. Brian did the same thing to most other cars on his outside all night.. I even remember the announcers mentioning that during said restart. He just gave it away, nothing else to it.
 
I still find it hard to believe how many drivers and spotters fail to take note that Brian moved in front of the leader well before the restart and tried to squeeze the leader down the track. The leader has the right to be in front, and basically Brad waited to reclaim that advantage until it gave him an even larger advantage. He didn't go full throttle at first, just enough to get his position back and have some extra speed when he reached the line.

Brad is smart enough to avoid explaining exactly what happened, because he'll use that move on some other poor sucker some time. If you watch closely today, I guarantee you'll see another 2nd place driver get in front of the leader the same way Scott did. Those drivers typically drop back as they approach the restart line so they don't beat the leader to that line, and that's exactly the moment the leader waits for to go.

I myself wish nascar would change the system and get rid of the box, but they love controversy. I would rather see positions 1 and 2 line up single file and drop the green flag and they go. No worries about who gets to the SF line first, etc. The race leader loses a lot when that yellow comes out, and giving him a clear lane isn't much compensation.
 
There shouldn't be any judgement calls. If any car on the front row takes off before the restart line, it's a penalty.
 
Stewart Fan said:
There shouldn't be any judgement calls. If any car on the front row takes off before the restart line, it's a penalty.
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how can nascar tell Brad went half throttle early if someone else is out front?? I'm sure they saw it as the LEADER reclaiming his lead before the restart line, then going full throttle.

In the end, Brian should have gone when the leader did, because the leader restarts the race. If the leader gets called for restarting outside the box, that isn't Brians problem.

The bottom line though is Brian never would have held the lead starting on the outside, and he knew it. That's why he was so focused on squeezing the leader down the track coming to the box.
 
DJ said Nascar doesn't have the luxury of the instant replay like we do at home {?}, then something about where the Nascar officials are and the start lines the viewing angle wouldn't show anyone jumping the start...?
 
Bobw said:
DJ said Nascar doesn't have the luxury of the instant replay like we do at home {?}, then something about where the Nascar officials are and the start lines the viewing angle wouldn't show anyone jumping the start...?
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he's exactly right. Look at the 3rd picture I posted, which shows the restart line. Does it look like Brad jumped the restart? I say no. In fact, everything looks perfect.
 
nascage said:
Shouldn't have even come down to this, with those so-called debris cautions.
Then, the caution flies for the #44 brushing the wall with 21 laps to go. You can tell by the replay that that the track caution light guy had the trigger set and ready to go.

Just wasn't meant to be for Brian Scott.
And, imo, that ain't no coincidence.
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That was a horse**** caution all the way. You're right, you could tell by how quickly the lights came on that they were looking for even the poorest excuse to throw the yellow.
 
Kez left about as early as Carl did in the spring race last year, but that incident looked worse because of how badly Tony spun the tires.

 
All this over a restart? If Scott had a faster car he would have chased & passed Keselowski.

Scott is in 2nd, why is he ahead of Brad at all under caution laps? If he hadn't been a nose infront he wouldn't have had to let off the throttle to drop back & let Kes take advantage of it. He'll learn.
 
Totally different situation, FL. In that race, Carl restarted the race because he thought he was the leader, but he wasn't.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
All this over a restart? If Scott had a faster car he would have chased & passed Keselowski.

Scott is in 2nd, why is he ahead of Brad at all under caution laps? If he hadn't been a nose infront he wouldn't have had to let off the throttle to drop back & let Kes take advantage of it. He'll learn.
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You get it. :beerbang:
 
It was inexperience on Brian's part is how I saw it, if all those late race cautions hadn't come out he may have been ok.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
All this over a restart? If Scott had a faster car he would have chased & passed Keselowski.

Scott is in 2nd, why is he ahead of Brad at all under caution laps? If he hadn't been a nose infront he wouldn't have had to let off the throttle to drop back & let Kes take advantage of it. He'll learn.
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Scott did have a faster car or at least equal. Kez didn't pass him besides restarts. it's just the top lane it was really hard to pass on the outside.. I say 15 more laps and Scott catches Brad.

Anyway, there is a bunch of ifs.. If Nascar doesn't throw that weak caution with the dude tapping the wall, Scott most likely wins. Scott doesn't spin tires on restart, he wins. Brad doesn't jump the start, it's a closer finish.

sucks for Scott but **** happens, gotta turn the page and prove last night was not a fluke.
 
Everybody is acting like this never happens. Sucks that Scott lost it like that but oh well move on the the next one.
 
FenderBumper said:
Totally different situation, FL. In that race, Carl restarted the race because he thought he was the leader, but he wasn't.
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But he would have been penalized even if he were the leader, right? Even if he did control the restart that still would've been an early jump.
 
FLRacingFan said:
But he would have been penalized even if he were the leader, right? Even if he did control the restart that still would've been an early jump.
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you never know. Carl won a race where he jumped the restart by much more than any of these and never got called on it. I forget the track, but the restart lines were right in front of the suites, so the jump was very easy to see.

Not to beat a dead horse, but look at the last pic and it doesn't look like Kez jumped at all. That's because Scott was out of position, and Kez had every right to move out front BEFORE going full throttle, which is what he did.
 
Your view on this will go by who you wanted to really see win the race, I like both drivers but Brad did seem to go a bit early, he could have got back by him earlier then he did and waited til they got to the line to go, funny thing is hasn't Brad complained about people doing this to him?
 
Blaze88 said:
Your view on this will go by who you wanted to really see win the race, I like both drivers but Brad did seem to go a bit early, he could have got back by him earlier then he did and waited til they got to the line to go, funny thing is hasn't Brad complained about people doing this to him?
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You can ignore the fact that Brad controls the approach to the restart line, not Brian. Brad isn't required to follow Brians lead, because Brian isn't supposed to be leading in the first place. Brian Scott set himself up to get schooled, and he got schooled by one of the best at restart gamesmanship. Sadly, I fear that Brian missed the lesson and will get schooled again. I WANTED Brian to win. I'm sick of the Cup guys dominating that series, but that's how nascar (and most fans) want it to keep TV coverage going.
 
FenderBumper said:
You can ignore the fact that Brad controls the approach to the restart line, not Brian. Brad isn't required to follow Brians lead, because Brian isn't supposed to be leading in the first place. Brian Scott set himself up to get schooled, and he got schooled by one of the best at restart gamesmanship. Sadly, I fear that Brian missed the lesson and will get schooled again. I WANTED Brian to win. I'm sick of the Cup guys dominating that series, but that's how nascar (and most fans) want it to keep TV coverage going.
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Point still stands that Brad did something he would cry on twitter about if it was done to him, and you can't deny that.
 
FenderBumper said:
you never know. Carl won a race where he jumped the restart by much more than any of these and never got called on it. I forget the track, but the restart lines were right in front of the suites, so the jump was very easy to see.

Not to beat a dead horse, but look at the last pic and it doesn't look like Kez jumped at all. That's because Scott was out of position, and Kez had every right to move out front BEFORE going full throttle, which is what he did.
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Liar:D
 
Let's face it, Brian hasn't led a race in years. He blew it the restart before that and he blew it with Kez, he should have never got ahead of him. When Brian slowed down Kez gassed it, so the hole shot looked even worse than it should have been. It was too close to call. Until Nascar decides to have electric eyes, or whatever, instant replays, there is always going to be this problem.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Kez left about as early as Carl did in the spring race last year, but that incident looked worse because of how badly Tony spun the tires.

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Off topic, but seeing that pit stop by the 48 crew still makes me cringe.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Ooookay people... do u guys remember the prior restart.. when Brian Scott spun his tires and gave up the lead? Yeeah.. that was the race... not the next restart whether Brad jumped it or not... also.. Brian did the same thing to most other cars on his outside all night.. I even remember the announcers mentioning that during said restart. He just gave it away, nothing else to it.
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exactly!!!! look brian scott chocked pure and simple and got beat by a better driver driving a car that wasn't as good as his. with double file restarts being able to manage those is very much part of winning ALOT races. The guys that are good on restarts will gain a huge advantage over people. Dale jr, for instance is horrible at restarts. it also takes a gusty driver who is willing to take chances. you have to be able to get more out of the car than the other guy and that means taking chances and putting yourself and other cars at risk of crashing. its all about which driving style favors a particular driver, kyle busch, brad k, and some others benefit greatly because they are aggressive and take chances. guys like mark martin, dale jr, kenseth, whos style is to slowly build up to getting the most out of their car tend to not do well on restarts. the increased HP of the cup cars makes restarts alot more dicey than nationwide cars. if in doubt I personally would bring the field to the line as fast as I could, that way there is less speed that needs to be picked up to get out of the point where I would have trouble controlling tire spin. if I am the guy in second, I am also going to try and pinch the leader down to the inside, this interferes with their angle into the corner, takes air off the side of their car, AND takes up room they need to arc off the corner. but this has a risk of the guy crashing into your car. This sort of thing is all part of racing.

nascar will be watching brad now, if I was him I wouldn't be going early for a long time, in the cup or NW series.
 
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