how do you feel about the caution clock in the truck series so far?

29-4 said:
Awesome analogy. Some things are just so bad that you don't need to try them to know it. If the college football went to a system in which the losing team is given a random number of points at the end of each quarter (which is basically what the caution clock is), I won't have to watch to know I am no longer a fan. It destroys the most basic premise of the sport. The fact that Brian France thought this idea was good enough to see the light of day speaks to why he has been so effective in destroying this sport.
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Absolutely as when gimmicks have to be used to try and sell a product it means the product is lacking and instead of putting an effort into trying to market something crappy put the effort into trying to make it better. I don't like seeing successful people or teams penalized because they are successful and the same goes for rewarding people or teams for being unsuccessful. Your football analogy rings true as can you imagine if a team was down 28-0 at half time and it was decided to give the losing team extra possessions or allow them to line up on the goal line as a reward for sucking?

In any sporting competition the idea is to pummel your opponent into the ground and walk away victorious so Nascar can be called many things but I think referring to it as a sport is incorrect.
 
I wonder if you get the same conclusions about the caution clock if you look at it from the competitors' POV? All of the comments here - including mine - address it from the fans' perspective, most hating the clock as a gimmick that lessens the integrity of the race. Nascar's stated rationale when introducing the clock dealt with the competitors need to get the chassis dialed in, and opportunity to go through some restarts. Truck races are short, and a long green flag run might reduce the learning experience for the youngsters that dominate the entry list. Just a thought.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
In any sporting competition the idea is to pummel your opponent into the ground and walk away victorious so Nascar can be called many things but I think referring to it as a sport is incorrect.
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What a ridiculous leap of logic.

Who are the Nascar competitors that are not seeking to pummel the competition and win the race? That is exactly what all of them want to do.

As for the sanctioning body, virtually every sport has an interest in establishing and maintaining a degree of competitive parity, and enhancing the entertainment value of their product. Nascar included. Every other racing series included. All the stick-and-ball sports included.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I wonder if you get the same conclusions about the caution clock if you look at it from the competitors' POV? All of the comments here - including mine - address it from the fans' perspective, most hating the clock as a gimmick that lessens the integrity of the race. Nascar's stated rationale when introducing the clock dealt with the competitors need to get the chassis dialed in, and opportunity to go through some restarts. Truck races are short, and a long green flag run might reduce the learning experience for the youngsters that dominate the entry list. Just a thought.
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If BF had introduced this in the manner you suggested--as a way for young drivers to get experience--the objections would have been far less (at least from me). It makes for a crappier racing product but hey, this series for learning. Fine. My concern is he will want to bring this crap to Cup some day.
 
29-4 said:
If BF had introduced this in the manner you suggested--as a way for young drivers to get experience--the objections would have been far less (at least from me). It makes for a crappier racing product but hey, this series for learning. Fine. My concern is he will want to bring this crap to Cup some day.
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Me too. As I posted earlier in this thread, extending the clock to Cup races would be far more serious of a blunder, but I fear exactly that may happen. However, when the clock was introduced for trucks, the stated rationale was more about the young drivers, IIRC. I could be wrong on that. My point is, we are all looking at this one way, but there may be other viewpoints that have merit.
 
times change ..........don't like it .......move on .
nobody wants ta hear ya constant whinin / bitchin .
plenty of us still enjoy all nascar.

you know who you are.
 
FLRacingFan said:
You can like the whole of something while simultaneously disliking some parts.

I also don't think voicing a dislike about something means you're bitching.
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constant bitchers know who they are ......never a good word bout nascar !
always somethin ! cause they is " smartest fellers " on here.......so they say ! :D
 
LewTheShoe said:
What a ridiculous leap of logic.

Who are the Nascar competitors that are not seeking to pummel the competition and win the race? That is exactly what all of them want to do.

As for the sanctioning body, virtually every sport has an interest in establishing and maintaining a degree of competitive parity, and enhancing the entertainment value of their product. Nascar included. Every other racing series included. All the stick-and-ball sports included.
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Easy there Sparky! I never accused any driver of not wanting to demolish the competition but Nascar allowing competitors to catch up is anything but sporting. What stick and ball sport suspends play in order to let the other team catch up mid game?
 
FLRacingFan said:
You can like the whole of something while simultaneously disliking some parts.

I also don't think voicing a dislike about something means you're bitching.
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I agree as overall the cup racing has been very good this year and it is a refreshing change from years past. There are some fans that are very defensive when it comes to any criticism of anything Nascar but if a person doesn't like the egg timer or the chase it doesn't mean they can't enjoy other aspects of the series.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Easy there Sparky! I never accused any driver of not wanting to demolish the competition but Nascar allowing competitors to catch up is anything but sporting. What stick and ball sport suspends play in order to let the other team catch up mid game?
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Skoal, the ultimate insult to a sport (and fans of it) is to say it isn't even a sport, but rather is an entertainment business. And that is what you did, offering the rationale that if Nascar were a sport, competitors would be trying to pummel their competitors and grab victory. It is right there in your post, and it is a ridiculous leap of logic.

Stick-and-ball sports employ various artificial mechanisms to slow their strongest competitors and boost the weaker ones in search of parity and fan interest. Salary caps, personnel draft procedures, strength-based scheduling, revenue sharing, fixed pay scales, review and approval of employment terms... the list goes on. Not even to mention the final minutes of basketball games, or football 2-minute warnings, or playoff resets.

I get it that you are outraged about the caution clock, even in the lowest Nascar minor league (trucks), a level that you don't watch or follow at all. I don't like it either, and I do watch those races. But Nascar not a sport? Get real, man.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Easy there Sparky! I never accused any driver of not wanting to demolish the competition but Nascar allowing competitors to catch up is anything but sporting. What stick and ball sport suspends play in order to let the other team catch up mid game?
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half time ! many ! :D:D
 
LewTheShoe said:
Skoal, the ultimate insult to a sport (and fans of it) is to say it isn't even a sport, but rather is an entertainment business. And that is what you did, offering the rationale that if Nascar were a sport, competitors would be trying to pummel their competitors and grab victory. It is right there in your post, and it is a ridiculous leap of logic.

Stick-and-ball sports employ various artificial mechanisms to slow their strongest competitors and boost the weaker ones in search of parity and fan interest. Salary caps, personnel draft procedures, strength-based scheduling, revenue sharing, fixed pay scales, review and approval of employment terms... the list goes on. Not even to mention the final minutes of basketball games, or football 2-minute warnings, or playoff resets.

I get it that you are outraged about the caution clock, even in the lowest Nascar minor league (trucks), a level that you don't watch or follow at all. I don't like it either, and I do watch those races. But Nascar not a sport? Get real, man.
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There is no need to be defensive or consider my belief that Nascar is not a true sport due to the written an unwritten rules in effect. It doesn't mean the competitors try any less it means that the system in which they work is corrupt.
 
hawg dawg said:
half time ! many ! :D:D
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No stick and ball sport that I am aware of halts play to specifically allow competitors to catch up. I don't know any sport that allows you to catch back up in the manner that giving unearned laps back and/or deciding to halt play due to phantom debris on the playing surface. I don't know of a stick and ball sport where rules are changed on a weekly basis and the league champion is determined by lottery.

As I have said several times I have enjoyed the racing in cup this year and I believe I have seen every race. Even though plate racing is not my favorite type of racing I will be watching this weekend so even though I still think Nascar is not a true sport there is no reason for anyone to get butt hurt over it!
 
I'd like to hear the honest opinions of what the truck announcers really think about the clock. They sure tried their hardest to get us to all buy into it as a "good" "exciting" thing during the broadcasts. Outside of Mikey - because he's just happy to be getting paid still - there's no way these guys are that stupid.
 
*WEAVER* said:
I like it because it gives me a chance to grab a Perrier and some crackers and play with my French poodle for awhile. Sometimes I just can't take all the drama and need a break.
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How so very F1 of you... ;)
 
utvol0427 said:
If the truck series is going to be a feeder series for Xfinity, and ultimately Cup, then I don't have a problem with the caution clock. Some of these young kids aren't going to get experience racing against others if there are extremely long green flag runs, so I think it's beneficial to group them up occasionally. Even more beneficial to a young kid in a lesser ride that may start to fall back after 10-15 laps. I think that Nascar should probably eliminate the clock during the last 10% of a race, but overall I don't have a problem with it in the Truck Series. If it gets implemented in Xfinity or Cup, then there is a serious problem.
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They turn it off with 20 laps to go. Even if it only has 13 seconds left.
 
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