How does everyone like the new Q format?

My guess is they will find somewhere out from under the hood to put the hookups to the cooling machines.:booya:
 
Marty D said:
After 2 weeks now I think its great.....beats the single car runs. I was big time opposed at first.
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I was opposed at first also and based on what I've seen the last 2 weeks, I still am. Maybe with some changes it could be good but the way it is now I don't care for it. Way too many rules for something as simple as qualifying.
 
mike honcho said:
My guess is they will find somewhere out from under the hood to put the hookups to the cooling machines.:booya:
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Either that or just don't let 'em tape up the front of the car.

Enforcing a minimum speed during qualifying would be a train wreck.
 
Johali said:
I've just scanned all of this without reading every word so this may have been beat to death but my idea is make every race an impound race after qualifying. Park it and start the race with it with zero changes. I think that would solve everything.
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HELL YES! Sorry I shouted, but I posted this on an older thread as well. It absolutely amazes (and kind of concerns me) that NASCAR hasn't figured this out. The idea in F1 was to reward the fast race ready cars. These guys are doing what they have always done--just with more cars on track. It's silly. You will have to move Qualifying to Saturday and impound as you said. Imagine...each practice with race set ups. Awesome.
 
Thegroundpounder99 said:
I was opposed at first also and based on what I've seen the last 2 weeks, I still am. Maybe with some changes it could be good but the way it is now I don't care for it. Way too many rules for something as simple as qualifying.
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I agree. I just don't get NASCAR, three years ago they dumbed down the points system because they thought we couldn't add, but now the qualifying and Chase rules are such a clusterf**k that even the smartest of people could be confused by them.
 
old fan said:
I think the cool machines and changing tires should be permitted. Quick connects for the oil and water systems and you must change all 4 tires or none and those tires become the part of your inventory for the weekend. After qualifying the cars are impounded and only minimum changes permitted.
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Welcome to the forum old fan . (and new member ) great post , keep them comin. :)
 
I agree with whoever it was that posted ..first they made the regular season points meaningless now they have made the fastest qualifying lap meaningless . Where is this going? Are fans really that shallow that racing isn't good enough for them?
 
ted@economy said:
I agree with whoever it was that posted ..first they made the regular season points meaningless now they have made the fastest qualifying lap meaningless . Where is this going? Are fans really that shallow that racing isn't good enough for them?
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I don't follow... the last two weeks the pole sitter has had a new track record... how is that meaningless? Unless it has always been meaningless...
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I don't follow... the last two weeks the pole sitter has had a new track record... how is that meaningless? Unless it has always been meaningless...
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it's meaningless because the last two weeks have just been a fluke . The fastest lap could easily be run in the first or second q session then the third session be won by someone else Track temps , cloud cover , engine cooling , all come into the fastest times . I guess you won't understand until it happens . Joey could set new track records in the first two sessions then get beat by a slower speed in the third.
 
I think it's great.. cool down needs to be fixed but now Qualifying is actually worth watching and takes less time to really do. I wanted Heat races but know that will never happen.
 
ted@economy said:
it's meaningless because the last two weeks have just been a fluke . The fastest lap could easily be run in the first or second q session then the third session be won by someone else Track temps , cloud cover , engine cooling , all come into the fastest times . I guess you won't understand until it happens . Joey could set new track records in the first two sessions then get beat by a slower speed in the third.
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But didn't.. both records were set in the last segments. I know that a track record can be made in the first round.. and not get the pole... so? Its the same for everyone...
 
SlicedBread22 said:
But didn't.. both records were set in the last segments. I know that a track record can be made in the first round.. and not get the pole... so? Its the same for everyone...
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so...????? so it's meaningless to have the fastest lap . That's what I said . What are you arguing for ? We agree.
 
ted@economy said:
so...????? so it's meaningless to have the fastest lap . That's what I said . What are you arguing for ? We agree.
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It could be.. but so far it hasn't... that's all Im saying. I for one am very surprised that it has gone this way because I personally thought we would never see a new record pole sitter and have 2 out of 3 so far.
 
Other than the safety factor of the slower cars, which can and probably will be fixed, I don't get the problem with this type of qualifying. Certainly a heckuva lot more exciting than the normal single car against the clock method. Track records..... Does it really matter what session the record is broken in? Am I missing something here? Doesn't the driver/team that sets the new record, regardless of which session, get credit for it? The team that advances through the process and ends up the fastest in the final session takes P1. Not a thing wrong with that IMO.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Doesn't the driver/team that sets the new record, regardless of which session, get credit for it? The team that advances through the process and ends up the fastest in the final session takes P1.
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Has to be a pole-winning time to be a track record. Or else we'd look awfully silly with the track record-holder starting in 10th.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Other than the safety factor of the slower cars, which can and probably will be fixed, I don't get the problem with this type of qualifying. Certainly a heckuva lot more exciting than the normal single car against the clock method. Track records..... Does it really matter what session the record is broken in? Am I missing something here? Doesn't the driver/team that sets the new record, regardless of which session, get credit for it? The team that advances through the process and ends up the fastest in the final session takes P1. Not a thing wrong with that IMO.
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I guess we have to wait for the 24 to be fastest in qualifying and not get the pole.:(
 
FLRacingFan said:
Has to be a pole-winning time to be a track record. Or else we'd look awfully silly with the track record-holder starting in 10th.
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I guess I'm scratching my head then at the comments made from the booth about 'new track records' during the earlier sessions then. Were they wrong?
 
From the NASCAR "Meet the Press" type of event at the R&D Center last month:

"Also, though the qualifying schedule runs less than one hour when you add up the length of the knockout sessions, if all things go smoothly in the three-segment shootout, the television window will more likely go 90 minutes to account for breaks. One journalist asked about explaining to fans what happens in the case that the fastest lap is set in segment one -- perhaps even a track record -- but someone else gets the pole? We were told it’s the media’s job to explain that."

How I interpret that is that NASCAR does not want to directly admit that a track record qualifying time could be set in Q1 or Q2 and not be recorded as such.

I'm not too worried about it right now though. Most of the top drivers probably save their tires a bit in the early sessions anyways.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I guess I'm scratching my head then at the comments made from the booth about 'new track records' during the earlier sessions then. Were they wrong?
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A new track record can be set during the first session as far as I know anyway
 
FLRacingFan said:
From the NASCAR "Meet the Press" type of event at the R&D Center last month:

"Also, though the qualifying schedule runs less than one hour when you add up the length of the knockout sessions, if all things go smoothly in the three-segment shootout, the television window will more likely go 90 minutes to account for breaks. One journalist asked about explaining to fans what happens in the case that the fastest lap is set in segment one -- perhaps even a track record -- but someone else gets the pole? We were told it’s the media’s job to explain that."

How I interpret that is that NASCAR does not want to directly admit that a track record qualifying time could be set in Q1 or Q2 and not be recorded as such.

I'm not too worried about it right now though. Most of the top drivers probably save their tires a bit in the early sessions anyways.
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I'll wait to see it happen and then we'll know for sure. As far as having to explain that scenario to fans..... If they are really that lost to how all of this works then that little tidbit of info would probably blow right by them anyhow. This isn't rocket science. It's knockout qualifying.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
That's what I'm thinking too. I guess we will have to all wait and see to be sure.
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Correct me if I am wrong but cant a new track record be set during practice also?
the rulebook we were promised would help on this wouldnt it :idunno:
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
As far as having to explain that scenario to fans..... If they are really that lost to how all of this works then that little tidbit of info would probably blow right by them anyhow.
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I don't know if they're being cute or really can't figure out how to explain that. They'll need to clarify eventually.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Correct me if I am wrong but cant a new track record be set during practice also?
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I don't think so.
I'd think a track record can be set at anytime during qualifying whether it's the first round or the last because it's all qualifying which is an official part of the race.

I don't see practice as an official part of the race in that the results of it do not have any bearing on the race the way qualifying does.
 
Honestly , I'm not concerned about new track records , nor am I the least bit concerned about the qualifying process . My only comment was , Nascar has undertaken to change the basic values of racing . First they discarded the leader in season points winning the season (or even making the chase) , now they have discarded the fastest car in qualifying wins the pole .
 
ted@economy said:
Honestly , I'm not concerned about new track records , nor am I the least bit concerned about the qualifying process . My only comment was , Nascar has undertaken to change the basic values of racing . First they discarded the leader in season points winning the season (or even making the chase) , now they have discarded the fastest car in qualifying wins the pole .
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Thing like used to bother me, but then I just started looking at nascar as a reality TV show instead of a real sport, and it's been working for me.
 
Dwayne said:
I agree but if not careful someone is going to get hurt, so many cars going slow while other cars are on a run.
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All they need is one blown tire or fluid from one of the steam engines limping around the track and it will get ugly.
 
mreed said:
Thing like used to bother me, but then I just started looking at nascar as a reality TV show instead of a real sport, and it's been working for me.
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I'm tryin as hard as I can to accept that new reality , but I'm not having much success . Thanks for the advice.
 
I think the main thing is that now the team that can maintain speed the best through 3 rounds ends up on the pole instead of the team that runs one fast lap.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I think the main thing is that now the team that can maintain speed the best through 3 rounds ends up on the pole instead of the team that runs one fast lap.
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Sorry again Sliced . :( . But the speeds are not averaged . Only the leader of the third segment wins the pole . The car that runs one fast lap.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I think the main thing is that now the team that can maintain speed the best through 3 rounds ends up on the pole instead of the team that runs one fast lap.
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It's the opposite. Joey was slow the first round, then ran 2 fast laps.
 
ted@economy said:
Sorry again Sliced . :( . But the speeds are not averaged . Only the leader of the third segment wins the pole . The car that runs one fast lap.
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Ooooh... so they don't have to run a quick lap to get there?
FenderBumper said:
It's the opposite. Joey was slow the first round, then ran 2 fast laps.
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Fast enough to get to the next round... Kenseth... Hamlin... Biffle.. THEY were slow the first round
 
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