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$384,000 in 2004 Fines Redistributed: NASCAR collected fines of $384,495 from 73 Nextel Cup penalties in 2004 and redistributed the money to the top 25 drivers, The Wall Street Journal reports today. As a result, champion Kurt Busch, whose team was fined $21,000 for various infractions during the season, collected $84,588. The newspaper says the NBA, the NFL and MLB turn over the fine money they collect to philanthropic organizations.(NASCAR Scene Daily Newsletter)(6-17-2005)
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Nascar needs to give this money to charity instead of the race teams...if they are going to give it to the race teams, they need to give the money to teams outside of the top 25 as well...more than 25 cars were fined.
 
I just read that on Jayski. Did I interpret that right that Kurt Busch was fined 21k last year but since NASACAR re-distributes the fines they collect he actually MADE 84k minus the 21k he paid?? If that is right then it is no wonder the fines these guys get makes no difference to them since they get it back and then some.
 
Whose charity? Theirs? Yours? Mine? If I get fined I do not want MY money going to YOUR charity. Why not keep on doing what they do? I think the top 25 teams have earned all they can get.. Let em keep it.
Betsy
 
fergy1370 said:
Once you get fined, IT AIN'T YOUR MONEY ANYMORE.
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That's a bunch of BS! Why in the world would you give money back to the teams? What is the point in fining them if they know if they make the top 25, chances are they are gonna get the $ back and possibly more. I can see donating it to charities. As far as which charity, it's Nascar $ they should pick the charity.
 
It's a good racket isn't it? :D Perhaps that's why teams never batted an eye at fines when they got them..........but taking points sure gets their attention! :) Taking points might just drop them from the top 25 and they won't get that money back............plus the dollars lost due to be lower in the pecking order!! But, I can see where the decision to split the money received in fines back to the teams made sense back in the day when the competition wasn't what it is today.........time to change what they do with the money. Giving some of it to charity is fine..........but how about using some of it for awards to tracks and venues that excel in improving the conditions for teams and fans? Things like more restrooms (even porta-potties), or more concessions stands (long lines for a bottle of water at a facility like California Speedway is ridicules!!), or maybe more of those misting stations (it gets hotter than hell sitting in the sun for 4 plus hours!). I can think of lots of ways to spend the money besides awarding teams for bad behavior! :)
 
Wish real life worked that way. I got a fine last Aug. for making a U-turn. Cost me 50.00. I would be waiting on that 50 plus about 5000.00 more back in the mail. :D
 
DE_Wrangler_2 said:
It's a good racket isn't it? :D Perhaps that's why teams never batted an eye at fines when they got them..........but taking points sure gets their attention! :) Taking points might just drop them from the top 25 and they won't get that money back............plus the dollars lost due to be lower in the pecking order!! But, I can see where the decision to split the money received in fines back to the teams made sense back in the day when the competition wasn't what it is today.........time to change what they do with the money. Giving some of it to charity is fine..........but how about using some of it for awards to tracks and venues that excel in improving the conditions for teams and fans? Things like more restrooms (even porta-potties), or more concessions stands (long lines for a bottle of water at a facility like California Speedway is ridicules!!), or maybe more of those misting stations (it gets hotter than hell sitting in the sun for 4 plus hours!). I can think of lots of ways to spend the money besides awarding teams for bad behavior! :)
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Well DE W You have talked me into It! I am follower of your post.. Maybe give all the money to any teams in the top 43 that did NOT get a fine during the season? Maybe picking the WORST track bathrooms :katts: and each year upgrading ONE tack at a time! But I do agree that the SAME teams that get the fines should not get a reward at the end of the season. But for sure keep the money in NASCAR somewhere.
B. ;)
 
What do you guys think of this....

All fines paid in the 2005 season get redistributed to the NASCAR teams
-that ran 90% of the races (qualifying attempts count as a race weekend).
-begin at the lowest ranked team and distribute it starting at 15%, down to 1% (meaning some team in 45th would get 15% of the total, while a guy in the top ten would receive close to or 1%)
-is NOT reigning champion (the 2005 champ gets no fine cash)
-will not receive redisbursement cash if they paid a fine within the last three years (this will cause the pot to be larger for guys that play by the rules)
-do not carry the number 8 on their door.


Okay, okay, The last one's a joke. Junior needs all the help he can get. :) I'm also a fan of a minimum points penalty. For example; regardless of the infraction or the monetary amount fined- teams lose 10 points. The magic '10' can of course go up, but if you have to write a penalty check, you lose a minimum amount of points too. That'll make 'em pay attention.

- k y l e
 
they money shouldnt go back to the teams....this just shows again how corrupt the NA$CAR organization is....i love the sport...love the teams and the drivers but hate the sanctioning body....i agree that NA$CAR should not keep the money, that of course would be a conflit of interest...but if they want to be known as one of the big boys in American sports...they need to do what the other big boys do...give that money to charity.
 
Kyle48 said:
What do you guys think of this....

All fines paid in the 2005 season get redistributed to the NASCAR teams
-that ran 90% of the races (qualifying attempts count as a race weekend).
-begin at the lowest ranked team and distribute it starting at 15%, down to 1% (meaning some team in 45th would get 15% of the total, while a guy in the top ten would receive close to or 1%)
-is NOT reigning champion (the 2005 champ gets no fine cash)
-will not receive redisbursement cash if they paid a fine within the last three years (this will cause the pot to be larger for guys that play by the rules)
-do not carry the number 8 on their door.


Okay, okay, The last one's a joke. Junior needs all the help he can get. :) I'm also a fan of a minimum points penalty. For example; regardless of the infraction or the monetary amount fined- teams lose 10 points. The magic '10' can of course go up, but if you have to write a penalty check, you lose a minimum amount of points too. That'll make 'em pay attention.

- k y l e
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48 I don't know where you got that info.. I AGREE 100% with it! Gives most of the money to the team that prolly needs it the most. This is charity to me. HOORAY for NASCAR.
Betsy
 
-do not carry the number 8 on their door.
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so i guess jimmie johnson shouldnt get any of the money either huh? hehe

48 I don't know where you got that info.. I AGREE 100% with it! Gives most of the money to the team that prolly needs it the most. This is charity to me.
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its sad if you think giving money to millionares is charity....anyone that runs a team has at least a million bucks in the bank, i dont care if its a field filler.
 
If you got a million in the bank and your overhead is a million-five, you are broke!! And you need all the help you can get!! :D It's all relative. Expensive game those owners play........big bucks for winners, big loses for losers! If you don't throw some of the money back into the sport and give it all to charity you become a non-profit organization.......and team owners are not into the sport for that purpose. Giving some of the fine money to charities is fine but most should go back into the sport to keep it alive.
 
The point of redistributing the money is to keep NASCAR a 'fan's sport'. Meaning ideally the way it used to be; you could show up at a NASCAR event, and if your car passed tech, and qualified to get in the race- you were racing with guys like Bobby Allison, Richard Petty, yada yada. NASCAR's so expensive that this scenario never plays out anymore. If you don't have a million invested in team members, two million in the car and respective R&D, and hundreds of thousands for the travel, and tires - it doesn't matter how fast you are you aren't getting in.

I do whole-heartedly agree with Wrangler; if you or I have two grand in the bank and our bills are twenty-five hundred- we're broke. If you own a race team and you have two million in the bank and your bills are two-and-one-half-million - you're broke. :)

- k y l e
 
There are so many things that could be done with the money. Giving it to the top 25 teams is wrong. Giving it to a single track for upgrades is possibly a bad idea. I can see where some tracks could feel cheated if their "year" had few fines.
Charity is probably the best answer. They already have Autism, Victory Gang and numerous others. Split the money evenly between them.

Or, $384thou would go a long way in paying off some of my bills... :D
 
Don't give the whole thing to a single track. In fact don't give even a portion to any track that doesn't make improvements for fans or participants (ahead of time......before any consideration of an award).......preferrably fans since we pay the bills in the long run! Giving it all to charity takes the sport toward a non-profit organization. I don't think that will make the game of racing better..........it might make you feel better, but the sport will suffer greatly. A portion to any and all charities is fine...........but most needs to go back into the sport. Fines are not a donation............they are penalties. Use that money to grow the sport not to make some owner of a fined team feel good about the "donation" he made..........or give him a tax deduction.

I agree.............the top 25 don't need any reward for bad behavior. I would call it a "kick back".............isn't that shady business anyway? :)
 
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