How should #29 & #17 be punished?

How should #29 & #17 be punished?

  • They both should be penalized 25+ points

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  • They both should be fined monetary Ex. $100,000

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  • Nothing should be done

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  • suspend them for 1 race

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Should matt keseth and kevin harvick be punished for what they did? If so how much punishment should they recieve?
 
I feel that they should both be penalized equally! They actually were the cause of the race ending under caution. Totally childish and immature on BOTH their parts!
 
Hit em where it Hurts. Both were in the wrong no matter who did what first.
 
I said dock both 25 points. Which I belive that will happen anyway.
 
Well guys, been a while since I have been here but I think Nascar will sort this situation out. But at least it did you something entertaining to watch during all the cautions. :)

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suspend them, then they lose a probable 185 points, THAT will get their attention more than anything else, given how STUPID it was of both of them, they should be treated like children and sent ot the corner.
 
Originally posted by majestyx@Jun 13 2004, 08:30 PM
I feel that they should both be penalized equally! They actually were the cause of the race ending under caution. Totally childish and immature on BOTH their parts!
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I totally agree they were the reason the race finished under caution. I think they should be suspended. They can always make more money a monetary fine doesn't seem like much to me.
 
Well, I said "other"....deduct points, suspend both for 1 race, and put both on PROBATION!!!!!!
 
NASCAR has to make a major example out of a situation to get the racers back on the right track(no pun intended) and I think this is the perfect situation. thoes 2 really screwed up the ending of this race.
 
My opinion...

I agree with Kevin. Matt's ego is getting bigger and bigger by the week, and needs to be knocked back down. No, i'm not fully taking Kevin's side on this, but what Matt did was just uncalled for. He brake checked Kevin, and it caused Matt to spin out. What happens? Fingers are pointed at Kevin.

If Matt would act like a champion instead of a whiney little ****, none of this would of ever happened. He runs into Kevin, picks his rear wheels off the ground, and goes by. Why not a clean pass? It was on the straight.. so there is no excuse for what he did. For NASCAR to jump on Kevin's case over something he did not cause is just plain stupid. Yeah, Kevin was a part of it all, but I don't think the fingers should be directed at him... point them at Kenseth. By the way, he is the 2003 champion... I just wish he would act like it.
 
But what I still don't understand is why Harvick had a punishment already happen to him. Kenseth was already back in 21st or whatever. Harvick wasn't.

If they are going to punish these two drivers, which they should, they need to do it equally and not take Kenseth's side because he is a past champion. I think being sat out of a race is a little too extreme but docking points will do the job.
 
Both should sit out a race...that way it would hurt their teams and their sponsors. Both were in the wrong, but Nascar will probably slap them on the wrist and tell them to be good little boys. I for one am getting sick of the crap lately, this stuff is really hurting the sport.
 
Hey, it all adds to the "added excitement" for the "reality" tv theme nascar is after.
 
It was the fault of #29. Matt was running 11th and would have finished in the top ten if #29 had not used bad judgement.

#29 has a long history of a short temper fuse. #17 never gets in trouble due to his temper. He just stays at the top of the points by running well every week. :dual9mm:
 
I'd say to sit em down for one race, there are young kids watching this stuff, and they are gonna see that and think it's COOL to act that way. :angry: They both should be ashamed, even though we've seen this in the past...
 
I know I'm breaking Thread, but let me say Welcome to the Board to 3 Wide and 95cobraR :cheers:
 
Thanks, I'm a HUGE fan of racing, esspescially Nascar, so I figured, why not go to a board? This place is nice, but it needs red! Get it? (Earnhadts J.R.'s car's red.) :p

Anyway, thanks for the welcome! ^_^
 
Okay here's my opinion, I don't think the fines or even the 25 point deductions are working. Certainly being put on probation isn't working.

Isn't Matt already on probation from the earlier incident with Jamie McMurry?

I say one fine, point reduction, and probation, next time sit out 1 race. if 3rd time occurs, sit out 2 races, 4th time suspension for the rest of the year.

Sound to harsh? Something has got to put a stop to this BS and it sure appears that what they're doing (NASCAR) isn't working.
 
Well 3wide, they are all a bunch of spoiled premadonnas. There's thousands of racers across the country that would gladly fill their seats and probably do a great job. Between NASCAR acting so incompitent and the drivers acting like spoiled rotten children it doesn't leave much room or time for what we all tune in for, REAL RACING.
 
Suspension 1 race and deduct 25 points from the Pocono results..and ya, probation for the remainer of the season.
 
I say just 25 points this time and probation for the rest of the year. If it happens again, suspension for a race.
 
Originally posted by Dinoforthe3@Jun 14 2004, 08:40 AM
I say just 25 points this time and probation for the rest of the year. If it happens again, suspension for a race.
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That's on the line of what I was thinking. ;)
 
My thing with the point reduction is that is does nothing to the driver......with the "playoff system", a driver is able to give up all the points he wants, especially if he is near the top.
 
Originally posted by fergy1370@Jun 14 2004, 09:12 AM
My thing with the point reduction is that is does nothing to the driver......with the "playoff system", a driver is able to give up all the points he wants, especially if he is near the top.
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Harvick might disagree with you on that one as he is only 63 points in front of 11th place. Take 25 points off and it tightens up considerably.

But that does bring up a good question that probably deserves a poll of it's own.
 
Do nothing. That way you reinforce the screw ups already perpetrated by NASCAR.
 
I'm with 95cobraR, 29 has a history of hood jumping, cursing, poor sportsmanship etc. And "brake checking"? what i saw was 29 pulling across the nose of 17. poor pass/judgement/spotter whatever, still ashamed of 17's childish behavior. expect it from 29 but 17 knows better. my humble opinion to which i'm entitled. Thanks for the forum to express my views. Race on guys.
 
Originally posted by Eagle1@Jun 14 2004, 07:39 AM
Well 3wide, they are all a bunch of spoiled premadonnas. There's thousands of racers across the country that would gladly fill their seats and probably do a great job. Between NASCAR acting so incompitent and the drivers acting like spoiled rotten children it doesn't leave much room or time for what we all tune in for, REAL RACING.
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Yep, I'd say there's a lot of truth in that statement.
 
Originally posted by 95cobraR@Jun 14 2004, 06:45 AM
It was the fault of #29. Matt was running 11th and would have finished in the top ten if #29 had not used bad judgement.

#29 has a long history of a short temper fuse. #17 never gets in trouble due to his temper. He just stays at the top of the points by running well every week. :dual9mm:
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I'm afraid your wrong, my friend. Harvick was in 10th when Kenseth started his crap, and he wouldn't let it go. Kenseth acts like a three year old about 99% of the time.

Remember Martinsville when he spun Kevin out? Was Kevin at fault for that? No sir, he wasn't.
What makes this any different? Sorry Kevin doesn't take his **** all the time... who would?
 
It’s real funny. Last year people were complaining Matt was boring. He didn’t give the media anything to write about. This year, he gives us a little emotion, and now people want him fined, suspended for a race and points deducted. Can’t have it both ways.

Matt races these guys the way they race him. Look at the N.A.S. Challenge. Matt raced Ryan the way Ryan races Matt. I find it really amusing that some of these comments came from Jeff Gordon fans since their driver is pretty much the same way. Ask Robby Gordon.

It’s also real funny that the cameras didn’t show us how Harvick got around Matt in the first place. I’m guessing the bump & run Matt put on was payback. Fox Sports seems to always be looking for a controversy. If my memory serves me correct, Harvick has had numerous on track skirmishes before. The Jeff Gordon fans probably remember Watkins Glen last year? I’m quite surprised Harvick didn’t attack Matt in the pits, at least that we know of, but the cameras would have been all over that. Harvick has a tendency to do that too.

My opinion is that Matt is most likely a little tired of taking crap from drivers that only know how to get to the front by running people over. I would be too. Harvick & his little ‘shoulder troll’ Sauter have had a ‘hard-on’ for Matt since last summer. My guess it’s jealousy.

Yeah, the right thing for Matt to have done would have ‘to let it go’ after that nimrod put the purpose spin on him, but I kind of like the new Matt. All last year he took this type of bull ****, mostly not to blow the points race, but he sure isn’t taking it now and I’m glad to see it!

And it wasn’t totally Harvick and Matt’s fault the race finished under caution. Nascar had stopped the cars on the track after their altercation and it looked like they were going to red flag the race. I’m guessing the fan who threw the cooler that hit the flag man in the head may have had something to do with it finishing under caution too. I found this comment especially funny coming from a Tony Stewart fan since ‘Smoke’ has spun more people out this year than Harvick and Matt combined.
 
I say, give them boxing gloves and take them out behind the woodshed.
 
The actions/behaviours, now and in the past, of those drivers involved speak for themselves.

We're fans - not crew chiefs - so when drivers mess up...admit it for christ sakes!!!!
 
Originally posted by fergy1370@Jun 13 2004, 08:43 PM
Sit them both down for a race. Then make them drive each others car the next week..... B)
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:cheers: :cheers:

Wonder if EMP would be a Harvick fan for a weekend? :lol: :lol:
 
Originally posted by WideOpenPhoto@Jun 14 2004, 11:43 AM
I say, give them boxing gloves and take them out behind the woodshed.
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Sounds good to me.

They should have both been sent to the pits for the remainder of the race. Both would have lost points and money not to mention how it would have made both teams look.
 
Someone brought up the point or suggestion that Kenseth gave Harvick a brake check and this was why Kenseth initially went around. It would be interesting to know the TRUTH about this. Too bad there are no brake lights so NOONE will know for sure.

Just remember it is all speculation on a fans part. A fan that has no real idea who these drivers actually are. Remember make your points but also it is an opinion and everyone has there own opinion. I am a fan of both drivers and both drivers are at fault and this is not good for any of there fans (old, young, new, longtime).
 
Just because they sent them to the tail end of the lead lap... that is not good enough. Park'em is what I say. Even though I am a Kevin Harvick fan, that is uncalled for whomever was the instigator on the track. It endangers the other drivers when you do that. It may be fun to watch... especially when Tony Stewart spun Jeff Gordon in the pits, but it does endanger others.... (damn, am i getting a conscious?)
 
Originally posted by Dinoforthe3@Jun 14 2004, 12:29 PM
Someone brought up the point or suggestion that Kenseth gave Harvick a brake check and this was why Kenseth initially went around. It would be interesting to know the TRUTH about this. Too bad there are no brake lights so NOONE will know for sure.

Just remember it is all speculation on a fans part. A fan that has no real idea who these drivers actually are. Remember make your points but also it is an opinion and everyone has there own opinion. I am a fan of both drivers and both drivers are at fault and this is not good for any of there fans (old, young, new, longtime).
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Didn't see it, but did the 17 noticably alter it's velocity compared to the other cars around it?
 
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