I am just exhausted already

Roger now says that Penske will have only one full-time Nationwide team next year and that's basically for Logano and Keselowski to troll around in. They can't even find full-time sponsorship for Blaney. I wish these sponsors would start backing some of the talented drivers trying to come up through the ranks:

''We'll run one car in Nationwide and split that between Brad and Joey and give Blaney some of the races, but not a full season,'' Penske said. ''He'll run the truck, and we'll see what races we can get him.''

So where does that leave Hornish? Looking for a job outside of the Penske organization.

''At this point we don't have full sponsorship for a second car for next year, and it's just time for him to go on to the Cup side and hopefully there's something for him to hook into,'' Penske said. ''We'd like to give him the ability to have those options. We've obviously tried to do everything we can to build his confidence and this year shows he's done a really nice job on the Nationwide side.''
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FLRacingFan said:
Roger now says that Penske will have only one full-time Nationwide team next year and that's basically for Logano and Keselowski to troll around in. They can't even find full-time sponsorship for Blaney. I wish these sponsors would start backing some of the talented drivers trying to come up through the ranks:




http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/sto...-raceway-nationwide-series-race-100313#!kSUyV
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This just pisses me off. F#CK Brad and Joey. F#ck Discount Tire. Just give Blaney the 22 full time. I really hope Penske loses Blaney over this. Then he can thank his horrible management skills and Discount Tire. Blaney will be 10x the drive Brad and Joey will ever be.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
This just pisses me off. F#CK Brad and Joey. F#ck Discount Tire. Just give Blaney the 22 full time. I really hope Penske loses Blaney over this. Then he can thank his horrible management skills and Discount Tire. Blaney will be 10x the drive Brad and Joey will ever be.
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Wow slow down there, I know you're a Hornish and Blaney fan and all but Blaney will be lucky to ever become what Brad is. He may be able to do what Joey has on the NNS side but come on, Brad is a Cup champ! There's a lot of great drivers out there that won't accomplish what Brad has already done.

KyBusch, Hamlin, Harvick, Edwards, Biffle, JR, Kahne, Newman, Burton, Bowyer, TruexJr, there's a long list of excellent drivers that haven't accomplished what Brad has.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
Wow slow down there, I know you're a Hornish and Blaney fan and all but Blaney will be lucky to ever become what Brad is. He may be able to do what Joey has on the NNS side but come on, Brad is a Cup champ! There's a lot of great drivers out there that won't accomplish what Brad has already done.

KyBusch, Hamlin, Harvick, Edwards, Biffle, JR, Kahne, Newman, Burton, Bowyer, TruexJr, there's a long list of excellent drivers that haven't accomplished what Brad has.
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I am not a Blaney fan at all.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
Brad is a Cup champ! There's a lot of great drivers out there that won't accomplish what Brad has already done.

KyBusch, Hamlin, Harvick, Edwards, Biffle, JR, Kahne, Newman, Burton, Bowyer, TruexJr, there's a long list of excellent drivers that haven't accomplished what Brad has.
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All it takes is one great chase run to win a championship. However Brad was good all last year too, but one god year doesnt mean he is better than all the drivers you listed. You can be rolling in the wins one year, and completely out of it the next. Brad himself has shown us that. Any one of those drivers you mentioned could do, or have done what Brad did given the right circumstances.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
All it takes is one great chase run to win a championship. However Brad was good all last year too, but one god year doesnt mean he is better than all the drivers you listed. You can be rolling in the wins one year, and completely out of it the next. Brad himself has shown us that. Any one of those drivers you mentioned could do, or have done what Brad did given the right circumstances.
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No actually none of them have done what Brad has, just looking at Brad's resume : 2010 NNS champ and 2012 Cup champ I'd say that puts him in pretty exclusive company. Sure theres a bunch of NNS titles in there but Cup is a whole other story. The "right circumstances" is more like planets aligning, extremely rare. You can count the past 10 years of Cup champs on 1 hand. The fact that Brad has a not won this year doesn't take anything away from his title run last year. Guys can dominate NNS and then once they get to Cup realize its no cakewalk, just ask Joey or even Kyle. I bet Kyle would trade all his NNS wins for a Cup championship.

My point is while I do think Blaney is legit and a heck of a talent, I'd be very surprised if he ever accomplishes what Brad has. It's so difficult to win in Cup let alone win the championship. Heck, Rusty never won a title driving for Penske and he is a hall of fame driver.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
No actually none of them have done what Brad has, just looking at Brad's resume
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I meant "could do, or COULD have done" what Brad did. Sorry I left a word out there. I wasn't trying to say that they were Cup champions. Just saying that given the right cars, crew, they have the same talent if not more than Brad to win a cup championship. I am not putting Brad in the Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, or Tony Stewart category yet. Hell I am not even putting him in the category with Kenseth or Kurt Busch yet either. Is Brad a talent? Yes. However, I am more willing to put his season last year in the one off category more than the norm category.
 
Results are all that matters... and until those guys get a cup... Brad is ahead of them. Blaney is light years away from being what Brad OR Joey is. I mean come on guys he JUST won his first NNS race. Don't get me wrong, he's a great driver and I think he will do alright but to hand him a championship just like that after seeing less than 2 full seasons of mediocrity is just asinine.
 
Not to mention Brad is one of 3 drivers to win a championship within 3 years in cup. The others are Dale Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon... and I guess the first 3 champs from '49-'51 lol... even once Busch, Hamlin, Edwards, Harvick... win a cup.. if they ever do... Brad will still be ahead of them imo. There's something to be said about that stat, if arl goes out and gets one after 10 years its a great accomplishment but not as impressive as Brads.. even though its the same thing.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
I meant "could do, or COULD have done" what Brad did. Sorry I left a word out there. I wasn't trying to say that they were Cup champions. Just saying that given the right cars, crew, they have the same talent if not more than Brad to win a cup championship. I am not putting Brad in the Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, or Tony Stewart category yet. Hell I am not even putting him in the category with Kenseth or Kurt Busch yet either. Is Brad a talent? Yes. However, I am more willing to put his season last year in the one off category more than the norm category.
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Ok fair enough, he COULD do it but I think it's not the least bit likely. I wouldn't put Brad in with JJ, Gordon or Tony either but I don't think it's a one off either. A couple wins, (see Jamie Mcmurray circa 2010) is a one off, but a championship? That's a not something that falls into your lap. The fact that Brad has 2 major series titles in his relatively short time in the sport speaks to his abilities. Like I said they'll be many great drivers come and go without ever winning it all in Cup, and it doesn't mean they're not great drivers, it just shows how difficult it truly is to do. Brad may never win another Cup title, and IMO he would still have Hall of Fame credentials based solely on the strength of his 2 titles because its such a rare and impressive feat.
 
It has little to do with Brad and Joey. If Sponsors don't want to back Sam or Blaney, Penske isn't gonna run a team out of his own pocket. why do you think they have full sponsorship for the 22? Because the car wins.
 
I mean sure, sponsors in Nationwide probably love backing cup guys. Experienced drivers who are most likely more adapt with the sponsors needs etc.. but if the 12 car produced as many wins as the 22, I don't think they'd be struggling for sponsorship.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Results are all that matters... and until those guys get a cup... Brad is ahead of them. Blaney is light years away from being what Brad OR Joey is. I mean come on guys he JUST won his first NNS race. Don't get me wrong, he's a great driver and I think he will do alright but to hand him a championship just like that after seeing less than 2 full seasons of mediocrity is just asinine.
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I know, right? It reminds me of all the hype surrounding Joey Logano when he made his first few NW starts. It was said he was going to be the 'next big thing' in nascar. Now he's been racing in the Cup series for 5 years and he only has 3 wins to show for it, one being dumb luck when he ended up the leader from green flag pit stops just before the race was called due to rain.

I agree with you completely, SB22. Talk like that is just asinine.
 
gordonite said:
I know, right? It reminds me of all the hype surrounding Joey Logano when he made his first few NW starts. It was said he was going to be the 'next big thing' in nascar. Now he's been racing in the Cup series for 5 years and he only has 3 wins to show for it, one being dumb luck when he ended up the leader from green flag pit stops just before the race was called due to rain.

I agree with you completely, SB22. Talk like that is just asinine.
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Exactly! Look how Joey did when he first came to NNS.. won in his 3rd start, and has 21 wins now in NNS and 3 (2) in cup.. working on the best season of his career... Blaney has taken longer to win in NNS, which could be the reason behind the lack of sponsorship for 2014. Joey did just enough to hold onto his position in this sport.. and now Penske will benefit from Joe Gibbs work lol...Blaney is coming up during a time where its becoming much harder for ppl to find sponsorship.. I hope and don't doubt he'll find a top ride but I don't think he has shown anything that suggests he will set the world on fire.
 
I think we are getting side tracked on a Brad vs Joey vs Blaney argument here. Partially my fault. My thoughts are that Penske has a real talent in Blaney that is more than deserving for a full time NNS ride and has failed to provide him with one. He would rather Keep stroking the egos of his two cup drivers than think of the future. I understand the sponsor has a lot to do with it, but it isn't like Penske and Discount have a bad relationship. They have been together for a while now. I am sure if Rodgers asked them to sponsor Blaney full-time in NNS they would. Especially after he has already won for them. I honestly believe this is more with Rodgers wanting to make his Cup guys happy than it is building Blaney's career. Rodgers may find out that if he doesn't do it someone else will.
 
gordonite said:
I know, right? It reminds me of all the hype surrounding Joey Logano when he made his first few NW starts. It was said he was going to be the 'next big thing' in nascar. Now he's been racing in the Cup series for 5 years and he only has 3 wins to show for it, one being dumb luck when he ended up the leader from green flag pit stops just before the race was called due to rain.

I agree with you completely, SB22. Talk like that is just asinine.
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I see what you did there.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
I am sure if Rodgers asked them to sponsor Blaney full-time in NNS they would. Especially after he has already won for them. I honestly believe this is more with Rodgers wanting to make his Cup guys happy than it is building Blaney's career. Rodgers may find out that if he doesn't do it someone else will.
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Just curious, you a Packers fan?
 
sloggie said:
I'd say you are wrong on this.
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Discount Tire has sponsored 8 of his 9 Nationwide starts, with Snap-On sponsoring the other race. So, it's not like Vickers' case where Aaron's would take themselves off the car every time he drove and Kauffman slapped RK Motors on there. Bullins has won with everyone that's been in that car so it's not like there would be a drop-off in production and consequent TV exposure. I don't think it should be that hard to put together a sponsorship package for Ryan. If it is, NASCAR is in trouble.
 
Oh man, Blaney doesnt even get a full time ride next year? Fuk that chit!
 
Dear Penske: So instead of having your NW driver in the full-time ride so he can compete for the championship, you're going to put two part-time Cup drivers in it and give your NW driver the part-time ride? That's stupid.
 
Dear people who don't get it. If you were a football coach, would you play your best players at quarterback, or put in an untested rookie..the fans would roast ya if you did..not Nascar fans though.o_O And then we have sponsor says..kinda like simon says. Sponsor says..I'll pay for it, but I want Kez and Joey to drive the big races. So sponsor says: Joey and Kez full boat..Penske says..nope..my fans will not like that, I'll run the kid out of my own pocket..yeah everybody else will be running cup champions and 4 car teams, I'll run my untried unsponsored kid..it will be ok around here at the forums until about the second race he runs in the back, and the same fans will be calling Penske stupid, "where the hell are Kez and Joey..let the kid run part time..I told ya that before you signed him up to run".
 
StandOnIt said:
Dear people who don't get it. If you were a football coach, would you play your best players at quarterback, or put in an untested rookie.
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More like sending David Ortiz and Dustin Pedroia to Pawtucket to win the International League.
 
Dear people who dont get it;

The lower series is designed to help the up and commer to climb the ranks and prove themselves... and mayyyyybe get a shot at the big league.

Enough with the sponsor cop out story. The only reason they would want a big name driver is because they are readily available so of course they would say give me him.

There is not enough respect by some of the cup guys given to new prospects.

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Hornish is running the #12 car for Penske in the Cup race this weekend with sponsorship from SKF.
 
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