If I were the King of NASCAR for a day, I'd?

Get rid of the Chase and restrictor plates. Make Daytona and Talladega figure eights since it seems that many fans of that type of "racing" simply just want to see the inevitable carnage that always comes with it. And seriously more short tracks!

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Dump the Chase
Shorten the season to 30-32 races
Get rid of stage racing
Get rid of the splitter
Get rid of bump stops
Get noses of the cars off the ground

I may have more as I think about it more.
 
MRM said:
Dump the Chase
Shorten the season to 30-32 races
Get rid of stage racing
Get rid of the splitter
Get rid of bump stops
Get noses of the cars off the ground

I may have more as I think about it more.
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Get rid of rules regarding bump stops, splitters, and nose height. If a team wants to use them or not, that should be its call.
 
- Get rid of the playoff format

- Ban drivers from racing below their declared series

- Get rid of the playoff format

- Perhaps modify the points scale

- Get rid of the playoff format

- Replace all of NASCAR's Top Executives

- Get rid of the playoff format

- Replace everyone in Race Control

- Get rid of the playoff format

- No more debris cautions unless necessary

- Get rid of the playoff format

- No more overtime line

- Get rid of the playoff format
 
Get rid of the "over the wall too early" and "uncontrolled tire" penalties. If a tire gets loose but doesn't impede anything, no penalty. Let an official review the stop if there's a gripe. Any contact with a tire or evasive action by another car or crew member, even lack of acceleration out of the stall results in a penalty. That a guy is over the wall a split-second "early" is completely irrelevant to anything. If they are going to claim it's a safety issue, that's the team's responsibility. Put a +1mph free leeway on pit road speeding penalties, in or out. End the constipation by legislation.
 
Bob said:
Get rid of the "over the wall too early" and "uncontrolled tire" penalties. If a tire gets loose but doesn't impede anything, no penalty. Let an official review the stop if there's a gripe. Any contact with a tire or evasive action by another car or crew member, even lack of acceleration out of the stall results in a penalty. That a guy is over the wall a split-second "early" is completely irrelevant to anything. If they are going to claim it's a safety issue, that's the team's responsibility. Put a +1mph free leeway on pit road speeding penalties, in or out. End the constipation by legislation.
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That is pretty much the way it used to be. But now they use cameras instead of track officials. Wasn't a good move IMO either. Most of the penalties now are frivolous. Speeding penalties are that way now, they say 40 MPH it means 44.99 MPH. IMO giving them 5 over is like we gave ya 5 over and you blew it. eh works for me.
 
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Interesting thread. The take away....When you couple the wishes with the "Rate the Race" thread, it is clear that one person's vision of what this sport should be is another's nightmare. In this context, "fans" will never be happy. It's impossible. Unless some folks let go of their ****, this sport is destined for a future of mediocrity at best--and maybe worse (but I don't personally buy into that). Fundamentally, we have to get back to an appreciation that we have a race to watch. Stages don't matter. Points don't matter. Debris cautions don't matter. Attendance doesn't matter. Etc. Etc. Etc. They will turn the engines. They will go fast. Someone will win. Unless we can get back to an appreciation of that simplicity, NASCAR will continue to screw itself into the ground in a never ending series of fixes to constantly appease 20% of the fans while pissing off 60%--the remain 20% are probably like me, and will watch regardless.

If I were king of NASCAR, I would promote the manufacturers first. Drivers would serve as the faces of those manufacturers. I would tell the RTA to screw itself, and I would open the box to allow for more manufacturer to manufacturer ingenuity. It would be my hope that on a given weekend, one manufacturer would find something, and those would be the faster cars for that weekend. Faster cars pass slower cars, and that is my understanding of good racing. The fundamental problem NASCAR has IMO is that they are trying to keep everybody in the same small box. Within this context, engineers have a finite number of solutions, and given that these guys and gals are some of the best in the world, they will all arrive at the same solutions. This produces cars that are the same speed. You cannot pass when everybody is going the same speed. Widen the box. Make more solutions possible. Choose solutions that serve your drivers (note that the drivers enter the equation here). NASCAR is attacking this problem with track treatments. I don't think you would need those if the cars had some variability. NASCAR took the car out of the equation with the COT. They got rid of the COT--kind of. Although the Gen 6 cars look different, they have the same aero footprint. Change this. Let's get back to what truly makes this sport great--the cars, and the athletes who can extract the potential of these machines.
 
Revman said:
Interesting thread. The take away....When you couple the wishes with the "Rate the Race" thread, it is clear that one person's vision of what this sport should be is another's nightmare. In this context, "fans" will never be happy. It's impossible. Unless some folks let go of their sh!t, this sport is destined for a future of mediocrity at best--and maybe worse (but I don't personally buy into that). Fundamentally, we have to get back to an appreciation that we have a race to watch. Stages don't matter. Points don't matter. Debris cautions don't matter. Attendance doesn't matter. Etc. Etc. Etc. They will turn the engines. They will go fast. Someone will win. Unless we can get back to an appreciation of that simplicity, NASCAR will continue to screw itself into the ground in a never ending series of fixes to constantly appease 20% of the fans while pissing off 60%--the remain 20% are probably like me, and will watch regardless.

If I were king of NASCAR, I would promote the manufacturers first. Drivers would serve as the faces of those manufacturers. I would tell the RTA to screw itself, and I would open the box to allow for more manufacturer to manufacturer ingenuity. It would be my hope that on a given weekend, one manufacturer would find something, and those would be the faster cars for that weekend. Faster cars pass slower cars, and that is my understanding of good racing. The fundamental problem NASCAR has IMO is that they are trying to keep everybody in the same small box. Within this context, engineers have a finite number of solutions, and given that these guys and gals are some of the best in the world, they will all arrive at the same solutions. This produces cars that are the same speed. You cannot pass when everybody is going the same speed. Widen the box. Make more solutions possible. Choose solutions that serve your drivers (note that the drivers enter the equation here). NASCAR is attacking this problem with track treatments. I don't think you would need those if the cars had some variability. NASCAR took the car out of the equation with the COT. They got rid of the COT--kind of. Although the Gen 6 cars look different, they have the same aero footprint. Change this. Let's get back to what truly makes this sport great--the cars, and the athletes who can extract the potential of these machines.
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:XXROFL::XXROFL:
 
Spoken by a guy who backs a manufacturer who is throwing over 7 times more money at the series than the next closest manufacturer. Of course he wants a spending contest, open the box!. And he wonders why nobody takes him seriously.
P.S. and they are not getting their moneys worth so heads are rolling.
 
StandOnIt said:
Spoken by a guy who backs a manufacturer who is throwing over 7 times more money at the series than the next closest manufacturer. Of course he want a spending contest. And he wonders why nobody takes him seriously.
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Wish list, right?

Show me the spreadsheet. Seven times? Roush math. Thought we were past that....unless you are talking about money into the series--as in supporting the whole series. Then, you are probably right. Shameful the the other manufacturers don't do the same IF your data is accurate.

Do I wonder? What was the thread number where I inquired? I understand the lay of the land here. Without me, there is just you. What fun would that be?
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Figure 8!!! :lol2:
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Something like this, maybe ?

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Revman said:
Wish list, right?

Show me the spreadsheet. Seven times? Roush math. Thought we were past that....unless you are talking about money into the series--as in supporting the whole series. Then, you are probably right. Shameful the the other manufacturers don't do the same IF your data is accurate.

Do I wonder? What was the thread number where I inquired? I understand the lay of the land here. Without me, there is just you. What fun would that be?
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First of all bud, you are the absolute king of insider Toyota information without a shred of proof. So on my B.S. meter you are up there pretty high with all of the "my Toyota" MY this and MY that.


With deals at the sanctioning body, team and track levels, Toyota Motor North America Inc. was the biggest spender in NASCAR during the 2016 season. The company spent 7.6 times more on the sport than the average of all NASCAR sponsors.
 
StandOnIt said:
First of all bud, you are the absolute king of insider Toyota information without a shred of proof.
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NEVER claimed to have inside information. I study a lot, and speculate even more.....as for the "my" stuff that gets everybody's panties in a wad. The Seattle Mariners are introduced as the take the field as "your Seattle Mariners." Don't sweat the small stuff.

StandOnIt said:
With deals at the sanctioning body, team and track levels, Toyota Motor North America Inc. was the biggest spender in NASCAR during the 2016 season. The company spent 7.6 times more on the sport than the average of all NASCAR sponsors.
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This is bad? Sounds like an investment at least in part in the sport to me. Can you compare a manufacturer to an "average sponsor?" What did Chevy and Ford spend?
 
Revman said:
NEVER claimed to have inside information. I study a lot, and speculate even more.....as for the "my" stuff that gets everybody's panties in a wad. The Seattle Mariners are introduced as the take the field as "your Seattle Mariners." Don't sweat the small stuff.



This is bad? Sounds like an investment at least in part in the sport to me. Can you compare a manufacturer to an "average sponsor?" What did Chevy and Ford spend?
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I'm done after this bud. Like I said before, open the box means more money..Toyota is spending more than everybody else by far. So like I said in other way, we laugh not only in the credibility of who says it, but it is way over board already. Have a good day.
 
StandOnIt said:
I'm done after this bud. Like I said before, open the box means more money..Toyota is spending more than everybody else by far. So like I said in other way, we laugh not only in the credibility of who says it, but it is way over board already. Have a good day.
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Keep the box tight, you get what you get.

I have asked repeatedly for the proof that Toyota outspends everybody in a way harmful to the sport. You bring nothing, and neither did Roush.

I have never considered the need to have credibility on a message board. We only share what we want to, credentials are not necessary. I watch every lap of every race. I follow this sport with passion. I attend as many races as I can. If I am overboard, maybe this sport needs more of me to solve the attendance and TV problems.

Alrighty, now I am done.

With the greatest degree of sincerity, have a great day, and enjoy the races if you get a chance to watch.
 
I'd find out what the worst funded Cup team was spending each year and then impose that spending limit on each and every team.
 
Revman said:
Keep the box tight, you get what you get.

I have asked repeatedly for the proof that Toyota outspends everybody in a way harmful to the sport. You bring nothing, and neither did Roush.

I have never considered the need to have credibility on a message board. We only share what we want to, credentials are not necessary. I watch every lap of every race. I follow this sport with passion. I attend as many races as I can. If I am overboard, maybe this sport needs more of me to solve the attendance and TV problems.

Alrighty, now I am done.

With the greatest degree of sincerity, have a great day, and enjoy the races if you get a chance to watch.
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you keep changing what you say like a snake in the grass. You haven't asked repeatedly about that. You were ranting for more opening of your/the imaginary box. Anybody knows that enlarging the specs will cost much more money, any changes costs a lot of money at this level. Pull your head out. We all know Toyota is throwing tons of money at the series, that is their history. They have done it in every series they have entered. It isn't a bad thing like you are playing it off. They can spend all they want in ARCA, K&N, Nascar and on the strip, just keep it in the rule book. Here it is again one more time.

"With deals at the sanctioning body, team and track levels, Toyota Motor North America Inc. was the biggest spender in NASCAR during the 2016 season. The company spent 7.6 times more on the sport than the average of all NASCAR sponsors."
 
StandOnIt said:
you keep changing what you say like a snake in the grass. You haven't asked repeatedly about that. You were ranting for more opening of your/the imaginary box. Anybody knows that enlarging the specs will cost much more money, any changes costs a lot of money at this level. Pull your head out. We all know Toyota is throwing tons of money at the series, that is their history. They have done it in every series they have entered. It isn't a bad thing like you are playing it off. They can spend all they want in ARCA, K&N, Nascar and on the strip, just keep it in the rule book. Here it is again one more time.

"With deals at the sanctioning body, team and track levels, Toyota Motor North America Inc. was the biggest spender in NASCAR during the 2016 season. The company spent 7.6 times more on the sport than the average of all NASCAR sponsors."
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We are done dude.
 
StandOnIt said:
Spoken by a guy who backs a manufacturer who is throwing over 7 times more money at the series than the next closest manufacturer. Of course he wants a spending contest, open the box!. And he wonders why nobody takes him seriously.
P.S. and they are not getting their moneys worth so heads are rolling.
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In all honesty though, why shouldn't a manufacturer that is willing to invest more than their competitors not be rewarded for it.
 
No chase/playoffs
Keep stages but since no more playoffs, no playoff points awarded, just regular points.
Bulldoze Talladega and give one of its dates to Iowa and the other to Eldora.
A race at Sebring, Road America and Rockingham returns. Dates taken from Michigan, Pocono and no more second date at Vegas.
Return to the gen 4 car or something very similar.
Season ends at Atlanta.
 
I guess that's why I follow the NFL more now than baseball,the teams in the NFL are all on the same
StandOnIt said:
You missed the point, it isn't about that at all, they can spend as much as they want and they already are.
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That is how you start to lose manufacturers,a manufacturer is no longer competitive because they're being outspent,goodbye.Nascar can't afford to lose another manufacturer.
 
lol, can't fix this mess in one day. Most fixes would take years - the teams can't change their cars overnight.
If I only had one day I'd cut the next race's ticket prices in half. Eliminate parking fees, and cut concession costs too. Let NASCAR make up the difference out of its own coffers. My guess is that if fan's feel they can get more for their money they might come back again.
 
yep every game, every sporting event has a "box" . Problem is for most is that they try to equate relatively low tech simple sports that don't need much in the way of rules, to something as broad and wide as motorsports. There is one dirt track where there are no rules, run any size engine and any tire, no wings allowed, no weight limits. The track won't hold big power and having a super wide tire gives no advantage so it works for THAT track. Nascar although it appears simple to F-1 it isn't. Anyone who has seen a Cup car up close including F-1 drivers are impressed with the engineering. Optimistically I think the communication between car owners and drivers have never been better and if they work together on a newer version/ revision of the car it will turn out better.
 
Revman said:
We are done dude.
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I can't say that I recall hearing what manufacturers spend to be involved with Nascar but I suspect that some folks don't realize the war has been over for decades and just want to throw shade in Toys direction.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
What would you do to fix this sport?
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Take 2nd races away from tracks that don't need it. For starters give Darlington its damn 2nd race back like it deserves. Take care of the southern fan base that supports the sport more than any other.
 
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