If my last name was France… My Ideal NASCAR.

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So Nascar is still gradually losing viewers and although the people covering Nascar are obliged to talk up the ever changing chase format – on this board at least those who favor it are in the minority.

So I thought, if my last name was France and I had control – how would I mold the series after my own image? (And yes, none of this will ever happen in a million years…)
1: Too many races.

I would drop the number of races from 36 to 26. Make each race more special.

26 races from Daytona 500 in Feb to some suitable oval for the finale the second weekend in Oct.

I would also try and incorporate a few more road races into the schedule… But! Nascar is an oval based series, and if the additional road races proved unpopular I would drop them like a bad habit.

No race would be longer than the Daytona 500. It is the marquee event, all other races would be 400 or less.
2: Reduce the car count to 33 cars.

Get rid of the franchise. You have to qualify in the top 33 to race, and you also weeds out a lot of the field fillers which will raise the overall driving standard of the series. (Less late race cautions)

In fact no “competition” cautions, and really take a hard look at debris cautions and cautions for cars that spun out but did not wreck and can get back up to speed. (Introduce a type of “local Yellow”).
3: New points system because; Too many points!

I want to make wins important so guys will race hard for them, but I don’t want to reward drivers just for finishing the race.

So top ten positions only! 15-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

Being a consistent top ten finisher will have real meaning.

Naturally, the championship will be the points total at the end of 26 races. May the best driver win.
4: The cars.

I would move the series forward to at least Aussie V8 supercars level of technology. 4 wheel independent suspension, basic telemetry, modern 4.0L V8, etc…

The new car would be designed to accept body panels that more closely resemble the road cars they are supposedly based on. So much more than just a front end sticker, the view of the cars from all angles will reflect the shape of the road car.
5: The teams.

No franchise. I don’t want to restrict entry to the series and only have it be a club for long time teams.
If you show up to race with a legal car and you qualify – you are in the race.

No more than 3 cars per team. I would not want almost 1/3rd of my reduced grid to be taken up by only two teams. Spread the driver and engineering talent around – I want a more competitive midfield.

So my Ideal NASCAR:

33 Cars.
26 Races. Feb-Oct.
1-2 or 3 car teams.
Points based championship. 10 points places: 15-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
More modern car tech – look more like the road cars.
No franchise.

This would be a more appealing kind of NASCAR to me. Although it will never-ever happen.
 
Lots of stuff in your post and the first thing I will deal with is if my surname was France I would change it.

If the goal is to add more fans, especially from the desired demo, then I think a ton of research would have to be done in order to find out what these people want. It could be that major surgery needs to be done to revive the series or it is quite possible that racing is not something people will follow in the same numbers in years past.
 
TwoZero said:
So Nascar is still gradually losing viewers and although the people covering Nascar are obliged to talk up the ever changing chase format – on this board at least those who favor it are in the minority.

So I thought, if my last name was France and I had control – how would I mold the series after my own image? (And yes, none of this will ever happen in a million years…)

No race would be longer than the Daytona 500. It is the marquee event, all other races would be 400 or less.
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Some decent ideas here, but this one is terrible idea in my view. Many other races have a traditional distance...the Southern 500, the Coke 600 etc. NASCAR has been trying to appeal to the short-attention span crowd for the last decade, and look where it has gotten them.

Also, NASCAR has run 34-36 races during it's decades of greatest success (90-00s). The length of the season is not the problem.
 
As Skoal said, it all depends on what your goal is, and whether you think the numbers of the '90s and early '00s are recoverable. Personally, I don't think they are, nor do I think the sport will suffer major long-term affects from it. Otherwise...

Field size of 33, 26 races, 3-car max per team, race lengths - I see these as just tinkering around the edges with no real benefit. They're not changes I personally like. They wouldn't stop me from watching but wouldn't get my attention if I wasn't already a fan.

Ditto franchises or charters; I don't think the non-fan or casual fan cares about the ownership model any more than they care about it in other sports. Fans of other sports care WHO the owners are and how they manage, but not about how they afford to join the club. I think it's too early to pass judgement on the charter system. It's not like the series was bristling with successful new start-ups before the charter system. The days of being able to compete on a shade-tree budget are dead and gone. Established teams should get something for the equity they've built, something beyond the cash value of their physical assets. If you can't afford a charter, you can't afford to compete anyway. Go run Xfinity or Truck until you can afford to play with the big kids.

Points - again, I don't think the casual or non-fans will be attracted one way or the other. Personally, I have mixed feelings. Reducing the number of points-awarding positions will reduce the number of damaged cars attempting to complete the race. I don't know if I consider that a good thing or a bad one. I definitely think only 10 point positions out of 40 (or even 33) is way too few. That may work over in F1, but they're running only ... what, 22 cars?

More modern equipment - I don't have an issue with that. Indeed, that's the one item you suggest that may get the non-fan's attention.

As for me, I (and many others) have addressed what I'd (we'd) like to see in multiple other threads, probably to the point where we all mostly already know what we think. Maybe I'll add my own 'improvements' in another post.
 
Fix the cars:
Bring back the extra 50 hp. Make the areo package so that the ground clearance between cars and track surface is at least 3 inches, except for Daytona and Talledaga. Softer tires.

Fix the points:
40 points for first, 1 point for last, a point for leading a lap, a point for leading the most laps, a point for winning the pole, and an extra 3 points for winning the race. Points count from the Daytona 500 to the final race of the season...now here's the twist...the driver with the most points at the end of the season is the CHAMPION!!! GASP! What a plot twist, eh? :sarcasm:
 
One issue that I forgot to mention in my first post - the TV deals...

Get all the races on network tv.

More eyeballs = more sponsors.

And you can also look into ways for people to watch in car cams, live timing, live gps track positions through online apps and streaming services..
 
The TV contracts are locked in for several more years, so that ain't happening.

Live timing is already available for free on NASCAR's web site. I believe in-car cams and relative track positions are available via subscription.
 
It's literally the schedule; dirt, road, short tracks,hell a non points p2p race across the desert. Anywhere new would attract new fans
 
I've floated this idea on here before with some less than favorable reactions, but I'm gonna post it again anyway:

Ditch the chase but still have the Homestead Bowl. Top 4 in points after Phoenix get in, but only if they have at least one win. If one of the drivers in the Top 4 is winless, the 5th place driver in points gets in provided they have at least one win. The Championship 4 enter Homestead with 2,000 points plus 3 points per win, driver with the most points at the end of the day wins the title. A more fair way to generate a "Game 7" moment, and would prevent knowing who the champion will be in August like eliminating the chase completely could do.
 
1. 43 car maximum field (Sprint Cup), 40 (Xfinity), 35 (Trucks)
2. No championship provisional
3. No bonus points for leading a lap or leading the most laps
4. 1 point awarded per position (last place finisher receives 1 point)
5. 5 bonus points for every win (double for Daytona 500)
6. No Lucky Dog (keep the wave-around)
7. 36-race season, but add some non-weekend races. In weeks where there are non-weekend races and Sunday races in the same week, shorten both races to 300 miles. This would open up more off-weeks during summer and shorten the season
8. 1 Monday night race per quarter (Bristol, Richmond, Darlington, Charlotte)
9. At least 1 dirt track
10. Schedule the races so there is at least 1 type of track per quarter of the season (1 road course, 1 short track, 1 1.5-miler, 1 superspeedway, etc.). This also means adding 2 more road courses to the schedule
11. Alternate some tracks so that they are only raced every other year. For example, run Sonoma on even-numbered years and Laguna Seca on odd-numbered years
12. Failing post-race inspection or being caught for blatant cheating results in your finish being taken away, including all points and money. This includes the race winner
13. Increase horsepower, decrease downforce, increase ride heights, remove power steering, allow more innovation in car setups, and modernize the cars to look more like the street legal versions
14. Do not limit which manufacturers can enter any race. If a Mazda wants to enter and they are within the spec guidelines and are fast enough to race, then let the car race
15. No more than 1 full-time car per team. Teams will be allowed to run 1 part-time car and this would be best-suited for driver development
16. Have 5 tracks bid on hosting the all-star race every year. After every all-star race, those tracks will be drawn out of a hat and the one that is picked will host the following year's all-star race
17. Get rid of competition cautions. Let teams take the risk of staying out too long on tires that may not be properly set up
18. Run a triple-header at Talladega on Sunday. 50 laps for Trucks and Xfinity, and 75 laps for Cup. Have an exhibition Pay-Per-View race on Saturday where no fans are in attendance at the track and 20 cars run 50 laps unrestricted
19. More double-headers with Cup and Trucks/Xfinity
20. In a 36-race Cup schedule, Trucks and Xfinity should not race at the same track in the same week more than 18 times. Give them more standalone events
21. Make the Truck series a predominantly short track series
22. Allow all drivers to participate in 36 points-paying races total every year throughout all 3 series. So, full-time Cup drivers like Kyle Busch would likely choose to not compete in the lower series
23. Add heat races at short tracks, but actually eliminate cars after heat races unlike what the Xfinity series has done this year
24. No Chase. But if there was one, let ALL race winners compete in a 5-race Chase
25. In Sprint Cup host 2 races at only the following tracks every year: Daytona (preferably 1 being the road course), Charlotte, Bristol, Martinsville, Richmond. There needs to be more track diversity
26. Increase the fuel cell size and make teams focus more on tire conservation instead of fuel conservation
 
ToyYoda said:
I've floated this idea on here before with some less than favorable reactions, but I'm gonna post it again anyway:

Ditch the chase but still have the Homestead Bowl. Top 4 in points after Phoenix get in, but only if they have at least one win. If one of the drivers in the Top 4 is winless, the 5th place driver in points gets in provided they have at least one win. The Championship 4 enter Homestead with 2,000 points plus 3 points per win, driver with the most points at the end of the day wins the title. A more fair way to generate a "Game 7" moment, and would prevent knowing who the champion will be in August like eliminating the chase completely could do.
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I would still rather just have a real season long points championship with a sensible points system that properly incentivizes winning, but this would still be leagues better than what we have.
 
gnomesayin said:
I would still rather just have a real season long points championship with a sensible points system that properly incentivizes winning, but this would still be leagues better than what we have.
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Yeah, I figure this would be a happy medium between the anti-climactic nature of the pre-chase era and the randomness of the current chase.
 
RacerrecaR said:
8. 1 Monday night race per quarter (Bristol, Richmond, Darlington, Charlotte)
14. Do not limit which manufacturers can enter any race. If a Mazda wants to enter and they are within the spec guidelines and are fast enough to race, then let the car race
18. Run a triple-header at Talladega on Sunday. 50 laps for Trucks and Xfinity, and 75 laps for Cup. Have an exhibition Pay-Per-View race on Saturday where no fans are in attendance at the track and 20 cars run 50 laps unrestricted

19. More double-headers with Cup and Trucks/Xfinity
20. In a 36-race Cup schedule, Trucks and Xfinity should not race at the same track in the same week more than 18 times. Give them more standalone events

23. Add heat races at short tracks, but actually eliminate cars after heat races unlike what the Xfinity series has done this year
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8. If fans can't stick around Sunday at Charlotte after a rain delay, they're not going to be able to show up for a Monday night race. Monday night games work in stick and ball sports because most of the audience is from the local area and can go home that night. It's a lousy idea for racing where the majority of fans in attendance are from outside the local area. They'll have to take two vacation days, as opposed to weekend races where they often don't need to take any. It's also a bad idea if you're looking to build an young audience; school kids can't stay up on Monday nights.

14. As far as I know, there are no limit on manufacturers now, as long as the cars meet the guidelines.

18. Pay-per-view? Have you seen the TV ratings? Who do you think is going to pay to watch events that they currently aren't watching for free?

19, 20. These would appear to be mutually exclusive. You want more double-headers AND more standalone events. Correct me if I misinterpreted you.

23. Outside of Eldora, heat races in the top three touring series are dead. Eliminating cars won't fix the problem this summer's experiment revealed - that they make little difference in the main event starting order.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
8. If fans can't stick around Sunday at Charlotte after a rain delay, they're not going to be able to show up for a Monday night race. Monday night games work in stick and ball sports because most of the audience is from the local area and can go home that night. It's a lousy idea for racing where the majority of fans in attendance are from outside the local area. They'll have to take two vacation days, as opposed to weekend races where they often don't need to take any. It's also a bad idea if you're looking to build an young audience; school kids can't stay up on Monday nights.

14. As far as I know, there are no limit on manufacturers now, as long as the cars meet the guidelines.

18. Pay-per-view? Have you seen the TV ratings? Who do you think is going to pay to watch events that they currently aren't watching for free?

19, 20. These would appear to be mutually exclusive. You want more double-headers AND more standalone events. Correct me if I misinterpreted you.

23. Outside of Eldora, heat races in the top three touring series are dead. Eliminating cars won't fix the problem this summer's experiment revealed - that they make little difference in the main event starting order.
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Monday night games work in stick and ball sports because most of the audience is from the local area and can go home that night.

You are 100% right and it makes me wonder why Nascar is so dependent on such a large portion of its race attenders coming from long distances for some of its races. The Panthers put 74,000 butts in the stands 8 times a year, the Bears 62K, the Cowboys 92K, the Cardinals 64K, the Dolphins 67K and the Falcons 70K. I understand the NFL is far more popular then Nascar but surely with some marketing and promotion some of the races in larger cities could do a better job of attracting locals.

Even in relatively smaller populated areas like Ann Arbor Michigan average 110K for Wolverines football games and I believe there are 7 other college football teams that average over 100K for home games. Clemson averages 85K, the ****s 79K , the Fighting Irish 82K and the Cornhuskers 90K so people are willing to get out of the house and attend live events to be sure. Once again I wonder if Nascar is doing enough to entice locals to get out to the track?
 
ToyYoda said:
40 cars is enough. Remember how everyone was complaining about start and parks a few years ago? A 40 car field will pretty much prevent that from happening again.
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My personal preferences for Nascar would be a 26-30 race season, eliminate the truck series and have X become a true feeder series that use the same car Cup does, either do away with the free pass or give each team 5-6 a year to use at their discretion, the wave around can be used once per race and other than that if you want a lap back get up on the wheel and pass the leader. Have "quick cautions" in the case of phantom debris or a things like spring rubbers being on track where they can be cleaned up nice and fast. Under quick cautions the pits remain closed as all too often it takes 12 minutes or more between the time the yellow waves until the green comes out again. In this day and age that period of time is unacceptable.

Those ideas would be good starting places foe me.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
... Even in relatively smaller populated areas like Ann Arbor Michigan average 110K for Wolverines football games and I believe there are 7 other college football teams that average over 100K for home games. Clemson averages 85K, the ****s 79K , the Fighting Irish 82K and the Cornhuskers 90K so people are willing to get out of the house and attend live events to be sure. Once again I wonder if Nascar is doing enough to entice locals to get out to the track?
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Minor quibble - those college attendance figures include a several tens of thousands of students who either get their tickets free or have the cost of the tickets included in mandatory student fees.
 
43 still was better even with start park because an asteroid could destroy the 42 cars and david stremme win. generally just the dream and desire to win a fuel milage race like Casey at Lowe's changed his life forever
 
1. No Chase (I Like @ToyYoda's idea of Homestead Bowl)
2. Cup drivers can drive a max of 5 Xfinity and truck races each.
3. Atlanta, Darlington, Auto Club each have two races (Kansas, Texas, and New Hampshire lose a race, Indy loses it's date)
4. Road America or Montreal is added to the schedule
5. Fall Charlotte is moved back to the day
6. All-Star race has a different venue every year


I wouldn't change much, NASCAR in my opinion is pretty good now, but it could be better.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Minor quibble - those college attendance figures include a several tens of thousands of students who either get their tickets free or have the cost of the tickets included in mandatory student fees.
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No problems with your quibble as it is correct. IDK how many tickets colleges allot to students but I know the University of Michigan doles out about 18,000 of its 110,000 seats to students.

I think the main thing concerning the future of Nascar is to find out what the young people want to see or if they are even interested at all. If there is a clear direction that young people would like to see Nascar go in it should be implemented as quickly as possible. If the younger kids want caution clocks, shorter races or 4 cylinder cars I am fine with it providing it grows the series.

I ran into someone I had not seen for a while last week and in the chit chat he asked me if I still attended Nascar races and I told him it had been several years since I went to my last one. It got me thinking if I would ever go to another race and while I would never say never I just don't see happening. It isn't about the money or even the on track product but it is about the investment in time. It isn't that my time is particularly valuable more than it is about all the ancillary time it takes in order to go to the track. In the past I would invest days in a Nascar race if you factor in the time I left home to the time I returned. About as lucky as I could get based upon where I live is leaving the house about 6:00 and returning at midnight. It isn't worth it to me as i would rather record the race and watch it later on so I can FF through the commercials and any other unimportant things.
 
I think this topic has been covered in many other threads but I'll play along.
1. I'm one of the few that actually enjoy the chase with a few exceptions. I'm not a fan of the HomesteadBowl. I think the round of 8 should compete over the last 4 races to crown the champion.
2. The regular season winner should get a bye into the round of 8 to compete for that championship.
3. The allstar race should be held at the dirt track right outside charlotte motor speedway, or moved every year to a new track.
4. The cars need to be more rigid to allow for the classic beatin and bangin that nascar is/was. If we are going down the spec route then give the cars a tougher exterior so they don't fall apart when there is the slightest contact. Remove the front splitter and side skirts on all tracks 1.5 miles or less.
5. No more repaves. Let the current tracks weather. Chicago is a great example of how the racing has improved because the track has weathered in.
6. Any track reconfigurations should be to shrink the size of the tracks. Most tracks should be 1 mile or less.

There are many others but this is good enough.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
...I ran into someone I had not seen for a while last week and in the chit chat he asked me if I still attended Nascar races and I told him it had been several years since I went to my last one. It got me thinking if I would ever go to another race and while I would never say never I just don't see happening. It isn't about the money or even the on track product but it is about the investment in time. It isn't that my time is particularly valuable more than it is about all the ancillary time it takes in order to go to the track. In the past I would invest days in a Nascar race if you factor in the time I left home to the time I returned. About as lucky as I could get based upon where I live is leaving the house about 6:00 and returning at midnight. It isn't worth it to me as i would rather record the race and watch it later on so I can FF through the commercials and any other unimportant things.
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People change, priorities change. There are any number of time-consuming events I jumped at in my younger days that I'd balk at now. I'm not physically up to a few of them any more, but mostly it's that I've gained more interests as I've aged. As you noted, it's the time spent traveling and 'tailgating' (read: killing time between getting a parking space and waiting for the green flag), time I can spend doing more interesting things. I'll continue to catch Darlington every year, and Charlotte or Atlanta on rain delays. I don't see traveling to other tracks more than every two or three years.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Monday night games work in stick and ball sports because most of the audience is from the local area and can go home that night.

You are 100% right and it makes me wonder why Nascar is so dependent on such a large portion of its race attenders coming from long distances for some of its races. The Panthers put 74,000 butts in the stands 8 times a year, the Bears 62K, the Cowboys 92K, the Cardinals 64K, the Dolphins 67K and the Falcons 70K. I understand the NFL is far more popular then Nascar but surely with some marketing and promotion some of the races in larger cities could do a better job of attracting locals.

Even in relatively smaller populated areas like Ann Arbor Michigan average 110K for Wolverines football games and I believe there are 7 other college football teams that average over 100K for home games. Clemson averages 85K, the ****s 79K , the Fighting Irish 82K and the Cornhuskers 90K so people are willing to get out of the house and attend live events to be sure. Once again I wonder if Nascar is doing enough to entice locals to get out to the track?
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This is a good point. There are only 2 races a year at most for each track so you would think getting people to show up to that would be relatively easy. I will say this is the first year I have seen Phoenix International Raceway advertise on tv. I have seen the PIR commercial several times while watching other NASCAR races and I think a few times watching football. They could certainly do more.

PIR certainly needs to capitalize on the character of the track and promote that. They have the hill that looks over into the track, much like Wrigley field has the apartments across the street that look into the park. That is a very unique feature to PIR, promote it and make the track a little bit of a star just like Darlington.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
People change, priorities change. There are any number of time-consuming events I jumped at in my younger days that I'd balk at now. I'm not physically up to a few of them any more, but mostly it's that I've gained more interests as I've aged. As you noted, it's the time spent traveling and 'tailgating' (read: killing time between getting a parking space and waiting for the green flag), time I can spend doing more interesting things. I'll continue to catch Darlington every year, and Charlotte or Atlanta on rain delays. I don't see traveling to other tracks more than every two or three years.
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I still buy green bananas but I don't have near the time I used to so I try and spend as much of it in things, like photography, travel and my beloved feline companions, that never disappoint.
 
ToyYoda said:
I've floated this idea on here before with some less than favorable reactions, but I'm gonna post it again anyway:

Ditch the chase but still have the Homestead Bowl. Top 4 in points after Phoenix get in, but only if they have at least one win. If one of the drivers in the Top 4 is winless, the 5th place driver in points gets in provided they have at least one win. The Championship 4 enter Homestead with 2,000 points plus 3 points per win, driver with the most points at the end of the day wins the title. A more fair way to generate a "Game 7" moment, and would prevent knowing who the champion will be in August like eliminating the chase completely could do.
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Honestly not bad - rewards consistency and winning with Brian's game 7 moment.

 
Acs said:
How can you claim to be the best of the year when you weren't even the best on a single day?
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Because you were the best at consistency....... Always drove smart.... took care of your equipment and didn't drive like a Banshee through the field trying to lead every single lap....... Winning 10 races a year and DNFing or finishing in the back 30 the rest of the time never impressed me.
 
Acs said:
How can you claim to be the best of the year when you weren't even the best on a single day?
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Yeah, it'd be kinda lame for a driver to win a championship without even winning a race. I kind of understood it when Austin Dillon did it in NW a few years ago since that series is so heavily infiltrated by Cup guys, but even that championship seemed a little hollow.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
8. If fans can't stick around Sunday at Charlotte after a rain delay, they're not going to be able to show up for a Monday night race. Monday night games work in stick and ball sports because most of the audience is from the local area and can go home that night. It's a lousy idea for racing where the majority of fans in attendance are from outside the local area. They'll have to take two vacation days, as opposed to weekend races where they often don't need to take any. It's also a bad idea if you're looking to build an young audience; school kids can't stay up on Monday nights.
You bring up some good points here. However, every NASCAR fan should know by now to take an extra vacation day in case of rain. If you are going to a race you should be prepared to stay at least a day longer than originally planned. Also, I believe many fans who attend the tracks are at least somewhat local...same with stick & ball sports. I disagree about young kids being unable to stay up at night to watch races. When I was young my parents would always let me stay up late to watch a late game/race no matter who was playing, and the same could be said about all of my friends who grew up in sports-friendly households. Now, there is also such a thing as DVR and I do not believe that Monday night races would be much of a problem with the young audience.

14. As far as I know, there are no limit on manufacturers now, as long as the cars meet the guidelines.
This is still something I am unsure of. I thought that manufacturers had to "commit" before the start of the season and then had to go through a bunch of red tape in order for them to even get NASCAR to consider them to qualify for any race that season. I am not knowledgeable on this subject and would appreciate input from someone who is.

18. Pay-per-view? Have you seen the TV ratings? Who do you think is going to pay to watch events that they currently aren't watching for free?
I have seen the TV ratings and realize where you are coming from. Sports fans in general tend to gravitate towards Pay-Per-View events because they seem "special". Take boxing for instance. Literally nobody I know, including myself, is a fan of that sport, but everyone I know tuned into the Pacquiao/Mayweather event solely because it was Pay-Per-View and had a "special" vibe to it. Just think of the press NASCAR would receive from such an event where they run unrestricted at 240+mph. It would not only help bring in new fans, but would also make a lot of current die-hard fans happy because many of us are wanting to see modern era NASCAR race unrestricted at Dega.

19, 20. These would appear to be mutually exclusive. You want more double-headers AND more standalone events. Correct me if I misinterpreted you.
I do want more double-headers and more standalone events. I would prefer the double-headers be raced on the same weekends where the Cup and Trucks/Xfinity are at the same track. Otherwise, I would like to see the other 2 series race at a track where the Cup series currently does not race

23. Outside of Eldora, heat races in the top three touring series are dead. Eliminating cars won't fix the problem this summer's experiment revealed - that they make little difference in the main event starting order.
I wouldn't go as far to say as heat races are dead. What the Xfinity series did was a travesty. It was essentially 2 qualifying sessions that did not matter in the grand scheme of things because everyone who entered the heat races also made it to the main event. When you factor actual elimination into the equation, all the drivers will have to drive it like they stole it in order to make it to the big race.
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It isn't that my time is particularly valuable more than it is about all the ancillary time it takes in order to go to the track. In the past I would invest days in a Nascar race if you factor in the time I left home to the time I returned. About as lucky as I could get based upon where I live is leaving the house about 6:00 and returning at midnight. It isn't worth it to me as i would rather record the race and watch it later on so I can FF through the commercials and any other unimportant things.[/QUOTE]
If you and 3 million other people tune into a race every weekend Nascar will survive and flourish. The tracks have to learn to attract other methods of earned income. The TV money is great enough that they don't really need any fans. Nascar does need to find away to increase viewership.
Speaking for myself, the current production of every race is pathetic. They need to break with the tradition of a producer and do it by an investigative committee whose income is determined by results rather than contracts.
 
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