Is Brian Vickers being put in a very difficult situation?

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It seems MWR is still selling Aarons on sponsoring Brian Vickers when Mark leaves. Now Vickers will be in top equipment for a couple of weeks, but is that long enough to develop a performing relationship with the #11 CC and team? This temporary top ride could be the deciding factor on whether Brian gets that Aarons ride or not.

If Mark, with his decades of experience, performs real well at Martinsville and Vickers fails to get a top 10 or 2, will Aarons decide to look for a different driver? I think Brian needs to get it done in the #11, or he'll be in NW for a few years before he gets another chance at a top 10 ride in cup.
 
FenderBumper said:
It seems MWR is still selling Aarons on sponsoring Brian Vickers when Mark leaves. Now Vickers will be in top equipment for a couple of weeks, but is that long enough to develop a performing relationship with the #11 CC and team? This temporary top ride could be the deciding factor on whether Brian gets that Aarons ride or not.

If Mark, with his decades of experience, performs real well at Martinsville and Vickers fails to get a top 10 or 2, will Aarons decide to look for a different driver? I think Brian needs to get it done in the #11, or he'll be in NW for a few years before he gets another chance at a top 10 ride in cup.
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This could be the deciding factor -- one of the main reason Regan Smith got a NW ride is because he kicked serious ass filling in for Jr. I say Vickers will do good, but not amazing -- maybe getting 3 top tens, but not contending for any wins.
 
I also think he is overrated. Although any time you can jump in a top ride, I wouldn't consider that a difficult situation.
 
Aarons may leave MWR n go to HMS,CE makes his daview in trucks at Martinsvillle,he's HMS his sponcers Aarons.
 
btw, CE = Chase Elliot,Bill's son,Ricks been his owner 2 years.
 
Yeahdoug said:
I also think he is overrated. Although any time you can jump in a top ride, I wouldn't consider that a difficult situation.
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That's the thing, I don"t think he deserves that ride and it should already besettled, whether he gets the 55 next year. Right now he's got a great NWS ride and is out if the top ten, four points ahead of Pastrana, that's a sad perspective.
 
[Aaron's'"Yeahdoug, post: 606803, member: 7263"]I don't know. Michael seems to be in tight with Aarons.[/quote]

Aaron's almost left this year and don't sponsor the car when , Dickers drives it.
 
FenderBumper said:
Vickers.
11 years, 264 races, 2 wins, 24 T5 and 63 T10.
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Well we knock that down to 10 year cause of the blood problem;)

Ugh, I hate arguing facts, much harder to win. Hes got double the wins of Truex who has a full time ride. Plus he did the best any driver could do with that Red Bull equipment he had to drive.
 
EI2IC said:
Well we knock that down to 10 year cause of the blood problem;)

Ugh, I hate arguing facts, much harder to win. Hes got double the wins of Truex who has a full time ride. Plus he did the best any driver could do with that Red Bull equipment he had to drive.
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StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
Compare that to the other Red Bull car and it's amazing he did as well he did. Scott Speed only had 1 top 5 and 3 top 10s in his 76 starts with them.
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Scott Speed always sucked. Kasey Kahne was with RB 1 year and won, it took Brian 80+ attempts. Brian had over 100 starts in top HMS equipment and got 1 win. He isn't a proven winner by any stretch of the imagination, and Aarons will surely want to see something different from Vickers before they lay down 10 million+ to sponsor him. He's done well in the 55, but that doesn't seem to be enough for Aarons to consider him a good replacement for MM.
 
FenderBumper said:
Scott Speed always sucked. Kasey Kahne was with RB 1 year and won, it took Brian 80+ attempts. Brian had over 100 starts in top HMS equipment and got 1 win. He isn't a proven winner by any stretch of the imagination, and Aarons will surely want to see something different from Vickers before they lay down 10 million+ to sponsor him. He's done well in the 55, but that doesn't seem to be enough for Aarons to consider him a good replacement for MM.
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Well unless you're Johnson or Gordon, the other Hendrcik drivers havent achieved as much success in other cars mr. Hendrick throws out there.

Vickers running full time at Hendrick for his first three years final standings: 25, 17, 15
Busch ...... 20, 10, 5
Casey Mears....15
DEJr...12,25,21

So besides KB he was doing just as well as other drivers at HMS not named Johnson/Gordon
 
EI2IC said:
Well unless you're Johnson or Gordon, the other Hendrcik drivers havent achieved as much success in other cars mr. Hendrick throws out there.

Vickers running full time at Hendrick for his first three years final standings: 25, 17, 15
Busch ...... 20, 10, 5
Casey Mears....15
DEJr...12,25,21

So besides KB he was doing just as well as other drivers at HMS not named Johnson/Gordon
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Busch finishes top 12 twice, Jr makes the chase, and Casey Mears was never worse than top 15.

Thanks for proving my point.
 
FenderBumper said:
Scott Speed always sucked. Kasey Kahne was with RB 1 year and won, it took Brian 80+ attempts. Brian had over 100 starts in top HMS equipment and got 1 win. He isn't a proven winner by any stretch of the imagination, and Aarons will surely want to see something different from Vickers before they lay down 10 million+ to sponsor him. He's done well in the 55, but that doesn't seem to be enough for Aarons to consider him a good replacement for MM.
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I'm sure glad you didn't forget to put that period in there.:D
 
FenderBumper said:
Scott Speed always sucked. Kasey Kahne was with RB 1 year and won, it took Brian 80+ attempts. Brian had over 100 starts in top HMS equipment and got 1 win. He isn't a proven winner by any stretch of the imagination, and Aarons will surely want to see something different from Vickers before they lay down 10 million+ to sponsor him. He's done well in the 55, but that doesn't seem to be enough for Aarons to consider him a good replacement for MM.
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Good point, I forgot Kahne ran a year with RB. I'm indifferent when it comes to Vickers but I do agree that Brian needs to produce good results with the #11 if he wants to stay in the Cup series.
 
FenderBumper said:
It seems MWR is still selling Aarons on sponsoring Brian Vickers when Mark leaves. Now Vickers will be in top equipment for a couple of weeks, but is that long enough to develop a performing relationship with the #11 CC and team? This temporary top ride could be the deciding factor on whether Brian gets that Aarons ride or not.

If Mark, with his decades of experience, performs real well at Martinsville and Vickers fails to get a top 10 or 2, will Aarons decide to look for a different driver? I think Brian needs to get it done in the #11, or he'll be in NW for a few years before he gets another chance at a top 10 ride in cup.
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sounds like aarons ken butler ain't too keen on vickers ?? so how he does on track may be moot.
butler may think vickers is too "citified" fer aarons blue collar customers ?
aarons adv folks will be doin surveys/etc durin vickers time in 55. that will decide if he gets 55 ride next yr....a lot mo than on track results.
 
FenderBumper said:
It seems MWR is still selling Aarons on sponsoring Brian Vickers when Mark leaves. Now Vickers will be in top equipment for a couple of weeks, but is that long enough to develop a performing relationship with the #11 CC and team? This temporary top ride could be the deciding factor on whether Brian gets that Aarons ride or not.

If Mark, with his decades of experience, performs real well at Martinsville and Vickers fails to get a top 10 or 2, will Aarons decide to look for a different driver? I think Brian needs to get it done in the #11, or he'll be in NW for a few years before he gets another chance at a top 10 ride in cup.
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Vickers will do just fine. I'm sure he's pleased as hell to get the extra races. If in fact this merry go round is done spinning.
 
JimmieGordon2448 said:
I think Vickers is the most overrated driver of all time. Just an opinion.
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I respect your opinion but disagree. However I still wonder why he left Hendrick to go to a start up Red Bull team.
Of course I still wonder why Bobby LaBonte left Gibbs for a struggling Petty team.
 
aarons must have also forced out rueti. at least rueit won a couple races. truex hasn't. I think intially the announcement of mark driving the 11 and it later being retracted shows that aarons wants MM in the car and not vickers. if anything is being said its aarons wants MM in the car.
 
I think all parties involved with the driver change know what the exceptional demands are. Martin has experience with a lot of teams and Vicker has been doing well with his limited opportunities. There will be pressure on both drivers, Martin showing his ability as an older driver and Vickers to make the most out of an opportunity. I think an average finish is hoped for and anything better is good. It is a story line to watch and see how it turns out.
 
ElliottFan said:
Curious why you think that? I think he has a bright future.
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The hype's dying down. He gets a lot of hype because he's a young driver who's won some big races and has a last name. He hasn't been impressive at all in his runs in the bigger cars to date - racing with Hendrick Cup cars no less. Add to that he's being brought up WAY TOO FAST.
 
FenderBumper said:
Busch finishes top 12 twice, Jr makes the chase, and Casey Mears was never worse than top 15.

Thanks for proving my point.
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Just pointing out that he has similar numbers to the other guys at Hendricks, and with how good he has been racing recently in a limited role I see it hard to call him overrated.

Is there someone else you would rather see take a seat that is better than vickers?
 
EI2IC said:
Just pointing out that he has similar numbers to the other guys at Hendricks, and with how good he has been racing recently in a limited role I see it hard to call him overrated.

Is there someone else you would rather see take a seat that is better than vickers?
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I just disagree with some of those comparisons. IMO, Vickers doesn't get MWR closer to a championship, and neither does Truex. I would rather see MWR take a chance on an up and comer like Beuscher than a 10 year cup veteran with Vickers stats.
 
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