Italy court orders retrial of Amanda Knox

This is complete BS. Guilty or Innocent the lesson learned here is be careful what you do over seas, because then you are bound by their rules and government.
 
Found guilty. Guilty verdict overturned. Now charged again? WTF?
 
Already been reported that if they do re-try her it'll be in abstention. She's not going back
 
About the only thing that a guilty verdict would accomplish is to keep her from returning to Italy because she would be jailed immediately if she ever decided to return. Don't you think she's had enough of Italy at this point?
 
They're appealing the appeal that overturned the conviction.
 
From ABC News:


"We've got a [extradition] treaty," said Bruce Zagaris, a Washington-based attorney who specializes in extradition cases. "The Senate has already ratified that treaty and decided that Italy is a country with which we ought to have a treaty. They wouldn't have ratified if they didn't think the Italian process was fair and due process was sufficient."

"She can try to fight extradition, but it will be an uphill battle," Zagaris said.

In the American legal world being retried for the same crime sounds like "double jeopardy," a principle in the U.S. judicial system and enshrined in the Constitution that outlaws being tried twice for the same crime.

American unease with double jeopardy could give Knox a "fighting chance" to appeal any extradition in a U.S. court, said Christopher L. Blakesley, a professor of international law University of Nevada Las Vegas.

"There's room to fight extradition," Blakesley said, "and double jeopardy is the spot to fight on?. In the treaty, we functionally accept their system of justice, but it's up to a magistrate to decide whether" the double jeopardy clause of the Constitution was violated and if that trumps the treaty.
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Sounds like, if she's found guilty and the Italian Supreme Court upholds her guilty verdict, she'd have to be extradited.
 
BobbyFord said:
You cannot be tried for the same crime twice.
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We're talking about Italy, not the US. We thought their judicial system was fair when we signed the extradition treaty with them. If she's found guilty, we have to uphold that. I hate it for her because it's blatantly obvious they're going after her only because she's American (Italians don't like Americans) but she's done for.
 
Bobw said:
Right not in this country.
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She's in this country. Fukk Italy. Someone else has already been convicted of the crime and is already serving a sentence. Dumfux need to lay off the vino.
From CNN:

A U.S. court or the State Department would be unlikely to take up any extradition request from Italy, said Sean Casey, a former prosecutor who is now a partner at Kobre & Kim in New York.

He cited an extradition treaty between the United States and Italy that states: "Extradition shall not be granted when the person sought has been convicted, acquitted or pardoned, or has served the sentence imposed, by the Requested Party for the same acts for which extradition is requested."

"Under U.S. law, she was once put in jeopardy and later acquitted," Casey said. "Under the treaty, extradition should not be granted."

 
BobbyFord said:
She's in this country. Fukk Italy. Someone else has already been convicted of the crime and is already serving a sentence. Dumfux need to lay off the vino.
From CNN:

A U.S. court or the State Department would be unlikely to take up any extradition request from Italy, said Sean Casey, a former prosecutor who is now a partner at Kobre & Kim in New York.

He cited an extradition treaty between the United States and Italy that states: "Extradition shall not be granted when the person sought has been convicted, acquitted or pardoned, or has served the sentence imposed, by the Requested Party for the same acts for which extradition is requested."

"Under U.S. law, she was once put in jeopardy and later acquitted," Casey said. "Under the treaty, extradition should not be granted."
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And we'd set a dangerous precedent not honoring the treaty because we don't like their judicial system. What if we seek extradition of a known terrorist who's going to launch an attack against us and the country he's in, that we have a treaty with, says, "well, we don't like the indefinite detentions y'all do or your drone program so we're not going to honor the treaty". We have these things for a reason. I don't like what Italy's doing here as it's painfully obvious they want her head because she's an American but we can't just ignore a treaty we signed and flip a bird to them.

If they pursue this, it's most probable that Kerry or Obama will get on the phone with Berlusconi and convince him not to have the Italian Government pursue extradition.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
And we'd set a dangerous precedent not honoring the treaty because we don't like their judicial system. What if we seek extradition of a known terrorist who's going to launch an attack against us and the country he's in, that we have a treaty with, says, "well, we don't like the indefinite detentions y'all do or your drone program so we're not going to honor the treaty". We have these things for a reason. I don't like what Italy's doing here as it's painfully obvious they want her head because she's an American but we can't just ignore a treaty we signed and flip a bird to them.

If they pursue this, it's most probable that Kerry or Obama will get on the phone with Berlusconi and convince him not to have the Italian Government pursue extradition.
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Dangerous to whom? We have the best weapons. Fly the bird.
 
And seeing as ABC's legal affairs coverage is headed up by Dan Abrams who was the only guy who got it right with the Duke case when he was at MSNBC (he always thought they were innocent) and with Casey Anthony (he always felt she'd get acquitted because of lack of evidence) and the guy who criticized CNN for their coverage of both cases while the face of CNN's legal affairs coverage is Nancy Grace, I'm inclined to trust ABC more.
 
BobbyFord said:
Obama?! Seriously? Obama couldn't convince Berlusconi to eat pasta...:XXROFL:
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We could threaten to withhold financial aid in the event of future disasters. We could call Italy on any debt they owe us (and seeing as they are in an actual debt crisis, not a manufactured one, that'd be a big deal). There are a lot of diplomatic ways of handling it. Hell, Clinton personally went to North Korea and convinced them, a country that really has nothing to lose or gain, to free American prisoners. Carter did the same thing. And Obama and Clinton somehow got Iran to free two American prisoners.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
...And Obama and Clinton somehow got Iran to free two American prisoners.
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Yeah, somehow they convinced Iran that Ronnie wasn't really dead.
Seriously, do you have any international friends? All of my friends from other countries point and laugh at us Americans. Not only can they not believe we elected such a buffoon, they're really gassing that we fell for it AGAIN!!!
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
And seeing as ABC's legal affairs coverage is headed up by Dan Abrams who was the only guy who got it right with the Duke case when he was at MSNBC (he always thought they were innocent) and with Casey Anthony (he always felt she'd get acquitted because of lack of evidence) and the guy who criticized CNN for their coverage of both cases while the face of CNN's legal affairs coverage is Nancy Grace, I'm inclined to trust ABC more.
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Pick your source but consider that regardless of where they work they're still journalists.
 
She looks amazingly innocent to me

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BobbyFord said:
Yeah, somehow they convinced Iran that Ronnie wasn't really dead.
Seriously, do you have any international friends? All of my friends from other countries point and laugh at us Americans. Not only can they not believe we elected such a buffoon, they're really gassing that we fell for it AGAIN!!!
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Yeah, we're going to spend DECADES fixing our reputation with the rest of the world after Bush's bull**** Iraq war. We knew he wasn't elected the first time, he was selected. We knew the war was bull****. Hell, our media knew the Iraq war was bull**** but they didn't want to be seen as anti-American to the point that journalists were fired for telling the truth (Ashleigh Banfield, Phil Donahue, Peter Arnett) but we elected the idiot to a second term.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Yeah, we're going to spend DECADES fixing our reputation with the rest of the world after Bush's bull**** Iraq war...
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Yeah, it might take decades to repair the Bush crap but we'll NEVER be able to live down the fact that we elected this current a**hole twice. We live in a fishbowl and the entire world is pointing and laughing. We're the only dumfux that don't get it.
 
BobbyFord said:
Yeah, it might take decades to repair the Bush crap but we'll NEVER be able to live down the fact that we elected this current a**hole twice. We live in a fishbowl and the entire world is pointing and laughing. We're the only dumfux that don't get it.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/04/22/world_likes_us_more_under_obama.html
http://247ureports.com/poll-europe-likes-obama-china-prefers-romney/

Our number one geopolitical foe supported Romney over Obama while our allies support Obama. Even Israel says Obama's been the most supportive US President ever. So, your statement is bull****.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/04/22/world_likes_us_more_under_obama.html
http://247ureports.com/poll-europe-likes-obama-china-prefers-romney/

Our number one geopolitical foe supported Romney over Obama while our allies support Obama. Even Israel says Obama's been the most supportive US President ever. So, your statement is bull****.
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Eat a taco.
I'm not talking about geopolitical foes. Do you actually value the opinions of politicians?o_O They're hand puppets.
I'm talking about PEOPLE. I have friends from places like Germany, Australia, UK, Middle East, Russia. Real people with no agenda from all over the world think that Obama is a fukking joke. What do you think their opinion is for the dum****s that elected him...TWICE?
Take a step back and gain a little perspective. Raise your level of awareness beyond your little east coast city.
 
BobbyFord said:
Eat a taco.
I'm not talking about geopolitical foes. Do you actually value the opinions of politicians?o_O They're hand puppets.
I'm talking about PEOPLE. I have friends from places like Germany, Australia, UK, Middle East, Russia. Real people with no agenda from all over the world think that Obama is a fukking joke. What do you think their opinion is for the dum****s that elected him...TWICE?
Take a step back and gain a little perspective. Raise your level of awareness beyond your little east coast city.
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Coming from the guy in California. :XXROFL: Funny, where I live, EVERYONE hates Obama more than you do. The people of foreign nations hate Americans no matter who is President and they hate our President no matter who it is. That's nothing new.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
And we'd set a dangerous precedent not honoring the treaty because we don't like their judicial system. What if we seek extradition of a known terrorist who's going to launch an attack against us and the country he's in, that we have a treaty with, says, "well, we don't like the indefinite detentions y'all do or your drone program so we're not going to honor the treaty". We have these things for a reason. I don't like what Italy's doing here as it's painfully obvious they want her head because she's an American but we can't just ignore a treaty we signed and flip a bird to them.

If they pursue this, it's most probable that Kerry or Obama will get on the phone with Berlusconi and convince him not to have the Italian Government pursue extradition.
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Reread the comments on the treaty, shootem the bird.


BobbyFord said:
She's in this country. Fukk Italy. Someone else has already been convicted of the crime and is already serving a sentence. Dumfux need to lay off the vino.
From CNN:

A U.S. court or the State Department would be unlikely to take up any extradition request from Italy, said Sean Casey, a former prosecutor who is now a partner at Kobre & Kim in New York.

He cited an extradition treaty between the United States and Italy that states: "Extradition shall not be granted when the person sought has been convicted, acquitted or pardoned, or has served the sentence imposed, by the Requested Party for the same acts for which extradition is requested."

"Under U.S. law, she was once put in jeopardy and later acquitted," Casey said. "Under the treaty, extradition should not be granted."
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And moonem.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Coming from the guy in California. :XXROFL: Funny, where I live, EVERYONE hates Obama more than you do. The people of foreign nations hate Americans no matter who is President and they hate our President no matter who it is. That's nothing new.
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Yeah but YOU voted for him at least once. I wouldn't hire the idiot to paint my fence.
 
Johali said:
Reread the comments on the treaty, shootem the bird.



And moonem.
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"We've got a [extradition] treaty," said Bruce Zagaris, a Washington-based attorney who specializes in extradition cases. "The Senate has already ratified that treaty and decided that Italy is a country with which we ought to have a treaty. They wouldn't have ratified if they didn't think the Italian process was fair and due process was sufficient."

"She can try to fight extradition, but it will be an uphill battle," Zagaris said.

American unease with double jeopardy could give Knox a "fighting chance" to appeal any extradition in a U.S. court, said Christopher L. Blakesley, a professor of international law University of Nevada Las Vegas.

"There's room to fight extradition," Blakesley said, "and double jeopardy is the spot to fight on?. In the treaty, we functionally accept their system of justice, but it's up to a magistrate to decide whether" the double jeopardy clause of the Constitution was violated and if that trumps the treaty.
 
I'll take the words of a lawyer who specializes in extradition cases and an international law professor who both believe it's an uphill battle and, best case scenario, there's a "fighting chance" over a former prosecutor of a town with a population of 106,519.
 
BobbyFord said:
She's in this country. Fukk Italy. Someone else has already been convicted of the crime and is already serving a sentence. Dumfux need to lay off the vino.
From CNN:

A U.S. court or the State Department would be unlikely to take up any extradition request from Italy, said Sean Casey, a former prosecutor who is now a partner at Kobre & Kim in New York.

He cited an extradition treaty between the United States and Italy that states: "Extradition shall not be granted when the person sought has been convicted, acquitted or pardoned, or has served the sentence imposed, by the Requested Party for the same acts for which extradition is requested."

"Under U.S. law, she was once put in jeopardy and later acquitted," Casey said. "Under the treaty, extradition should not be granted."
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Does size and color really matter andy.
 
Johali said:
Does size and color really matter andy.
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No. I just don't read opinions that only support my point of view. I still take the word of an international law professor and a lawyer who specializes in extradition cases over a prosecutor of some town nobody's ever heard of. And I take the word of ABC News and Dan Abrams, who is the face of ABC's legal affairs reporting, over CNN (the network that brought us live, wall-to-wall, exclusive breaking news coverage of the cruise ship not a disaster "disaster") and Nancy Grace, who is the face of CNN's legal affairs reporting.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
No. I just don't read opinions that only support my point of view. I still take the word of an international law professor and a lawyer who specializes in extradition cases over a prosecutor of some town nobody's ever heard of. And I take the word of ABC News and Dan Abrams, who is the face of ABC's legal affairs reporting, over CNN (the network that brought us live, wall-to-wall, exclusive breaking news coverage of the cruise ship not a disaster "disaster") and Nancy Grace, who is the face of CNN's legal affairs reporting.
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And the fact that you voted for Barack Obama at least once discredits your opinion.
Also, being a journalist yourself, you recognize the varying, politically-biased opinions demonstrated in local, national and international journalism, yet you elect to quote the one particular news network that supports your opinion. Isn't that ironic? :confused:
 
BobbyFord said:
And the fact that you voted for Barack Obama at least once discredits your opinion.
Also, being a journalist yourself, you recognize the varying, politically-biased opinions demonstrated in local, national and international journalism, yet you elect to quote the one particular news network that supports your opinion. Isn't that ironic? :confused:
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I demonstrated how one network's report, which presents two opinions, one from an international law professor and another from a lawyer who specalizes in extradition cases, carries more credibility than a report from a news agency that quotes a prosecutor in a small town from a news agency that has sold out all it's credibility in two months in the name of ratings.
 
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