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Windsor377
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Come on folks. Who cares who wins? Who cares the scenario. It's contrived.
97forever
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(ppsssst...Wranglerster? The 'backflip kid' is Carl Edwards 
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slick-nick
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It use to be 'bud_stud'! lol, now ya remember?Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Feb 4 2004, 10:21 PM
Man..............so many people!!It's great to be back!! Hope all you folks know I take almost nothing personal as far as drivers are concerned. I have only maybe two or three drivers I really don't care for and two team owners I wish no luck at all for!! Y'all figure it out in time!!
Thanks racer8.............and Slick Nick, I'm going to be honest, I don't remember the name!!
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DE_Wrangler_2
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Yeah Slick Nick..............I remember now!!
Soooooooo........it was Carl Edwards, huh? Boy I liked his weekly diary thing on some racing site (NASCAR.com?) he did!! But, if memory serves me right he was a Roush guy (maybe still is).........must be why that slipped my mind!!
Soooooooo........it was Carl Edwards, huh? Boy I liked his weekly diary thing on some racing site (NASCAR.com?) he did!! But, if memory serves me right he was a Roush guy (maybe still is).........must be why that slipped my mind!!
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Parkfan
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Exactly right. I'm going to continue with my wait and see stance. If these people who are against the new system really wanted to show NASCAR how much they hate the system, they wouldn't go to any of the last 10 races or watch them. But I bet 99.9% of those against the system will still go to their races and watch them.
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Windsor377
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You know, I bet you'll collect on that bet. The result will be interpreted as the contrived "chase" being a success.
I still don't know what the "wait and see" is all about. A plug nickel is still a plug nickel, regardless.
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17_Fan
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You know, I bet you'll collect on that bet. The result will be interpreted as the contrived "chase" being a success.
I still don't know what the "wait and see" is all about. A plug nickel is still a plug nickel, regardless. [/b][/quote]
Your're starting to repeat yourself. 
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Windsor377
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Your're starting to repeat yourself. [/b][/quote]LOL!...LMAO!!!!
OK. I'll simplify the terms:
1. I admit I am in the 0.1% minority who refuses to accept whatever NASCAR "thinks" I like. (Note: I am willing to act on my convictions).
2. I can't understand the mentality which believes a counterfiet can ever be good, no matter how it is presented. What is there to "wait and see"?
Nascar hopefully to eat a little crow?
I can wish can't I........
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Windsor377
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LOL...ok, you have a point there!
Windsor, I am in agreement with you with one exception. I will watch the races simply because I like to watch the races. As far as the new points system crowning the champion, well.....................nevermind. I can't exactly express my true feelings in mixed company, and especially on a mixed forum. Simply put tho', I don't like it.
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Windsor377
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I know a lot of folks are caught in that delima. You still have avenues to let NASCAR know you don't like what they are doing.
1. Mail,
2. Email,
3. If you attend a race give as much negative feedback as possible to any NASCAR employee you see,
4. Also, if you attend make signs to hold up, declaring your displeasure,
5. Also, if you attend(!), get folks to boo down any NASCAR and or NEXTEL speakers,
6. Submit articles, letters etc, to newspapers, magazines, sports shows, etc.
You have a voice. You and all others opposed to this charade can get their points across one way or the other!
1. Mail,
2. Email,
3. If you attend a race give as much negative feedback as possible to any NASCAR employee you see,
4. Also, if you attend make signs to hold up, declaring your displeasure,
5. Also, if you attend(!), get folks to boo down any NASCAR and or NEXTEL speakers,
6. Submit articles, letters etc, to newspapers, magazines, sports shows, etc.
You have a voice. You and all others opposed to this charade can get their points across one way or the other!
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4xchampncountin
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NASCAR knows that the opposite of "love" is not "hate", it is "appathy".
NASCAR doesn't really care if it's fans are angry enough to voice their opinion to them. In their minds if you care enough to tell them what you think, then it is still all good.
If enough people just plain ignore the sport, things will change. Until then nothing will.
NASCAR doesn't really care if it's fans are angry enough to voice their opinion to them. In their minds if you care enough to tell them what you think, then it is still all good.
If enough people just plain ignore the sport, things will change. Until then nothing will.
97forever
Team Owner
Well, this has been a good thread. Interesting opinions on here.
I certainly respect the conviction of fans like Windsor and EMP,even though I think Don Quixote had a more realistic goal.And while 4x makes a valid point, NASCAR has already anticipated the departure of the 'established' fan-base and made every contingency to 'replace' THOSE fans with a newer and different type of fan.The effort to 'diversify' and all.
Face it gangne thing and one thing only will dismantle this silly 'sneer at the fans' mentality by NASCAR. And that would be a very vocal statement from a very big-name driver. Only Jr. or Gordon-----and not another man on the track---could get Nascar to stand up and take notice. These are the marque boys, the magazine cover guys, the headline grabbers. IF one of those two would actually dare critisize or call the sanctioning body on some of their antics,rallying their fans behind them, THEN we would see some results and a bit more respect for the true fans. In my opinion,nothing else will work, nothing at all. Time for these golden boys to pay back those that support them. IF you truly want change....start hitting those guys with e-mails and fan letters now.Either one will do, although Jr. has more pull than Jeff these days. Our only chance is to appeal to the drivers-----and bypass the sanctioning body altogether.
Those two guys hold the keys for the rest of us. Change THEIR opinion...and Nascar will listen. Just imagine a race with no Earnhardt or Gordon fan's in the stands before you disagree with me. Yeah, it may seem unfair to vent and look to the drivers, you could argue,but frankly for the 5 mil plus a year these big names get,let 'em earn a little of it by giving something back to their fans.
Oh well, thats my opinion anyway guys.
I certainly respect the conviction of fans like Windsor and EMP,even though I think Don Quixote had a more realistic goal.And while 4x makes a valid point, NASCAR has already anticipated the departure of the 'established' fan-base and made every contingency to 'replace' THOSE fans with a newer and different type of fan.The effort to 'diversify' and all.
Face it gang
ne thing and one thing only will dismantle this silly 'sneer at the fans' mentality by NASCAR. And that would be a very vocal statement from a very big-name driver. Only Jr. or Gordon-----and not another man on the track---could get Nascar to stand up and take notice. These are the marque boys, the magazine cover guys, the headline grabbers. IF one of those two would actually dare critisize or call the sanctioning body on some of their antics,rallying their fans behind them, THEN we would see some results and a bit more respect for the true fans. In my opinion,nothing else will work, nothing at all. Time for these golden boys to pay back those that support them. IF you truly want change....start hitting those guys with e-mails and fan letters now.Either one will do, although Jr. has more pull than Jeff these days. Our only chance is to appeal to the drivers-----and bypass the sanctioning body altogether.Those two guys hold the keys for the rest of us. Change THEIR opinion...and Nascar will listen. Just imagine a race with no Earnhardt or Gordon fan's in the stands before you disagree with me. Yeah, it may seem unfair to vent and look to the drivers, you could argue,but frankly for the 5 mil plus a year these big names get,let 'em earn a little of it by giving something back to their fans.
Oh well, thats my opinion anyway guys.
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Windsor377
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Yee of little faith...LOL! NASCAR needs to be hit from all angles, by all who hate the charade. It worked to get rid of the roof mounted wicker bills at plate tracks a couple years ago. It can work again. But it takes persistence, from all angles.
97forever
Team Owner
I agree a concerted attack might be the most effective way of striking them.(Uh--or did that sound like a plan in an old war movie? :lol:No more "Dirty Dozen" before posting for me. )
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Mopardh9
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97 i agree with you ...the fans voice means nothing at this point,the stands will never be empty. I think a united effort by all the drivers would get the point across to Nascar. I think a lot of them are taking a wait and see attitude towards it also,sorry to say. E-mails and posters,booing at the track it won't make a difference, there will always be new fans to replace the old. I'm an old fan, i still love the races, and watching those cars speed around in practice today just made me want to watch more than ever. Sorry Windsor,but i really think the point system will catch on,be a normal thing after awhile and most people will eventually embrace it.
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17_Fan
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I thought it was mostly the drivers pizzing & moaning that did away with these? Funny thing is...they are running them on the Busch cars this year at the plate tracks.
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17_Fan
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Gordon did let it be known that he thought the new point system sucked. I don't recall seeing Jr. say anything though. I know if it would have been his old man, he would have been front & center complaining about it & NASCAR would have listened. May not have changed their minds though.Originally posted by 97forever@Feb 6 2004, 07:49 PM
Well, this has been a good thread. Interesting opinions on here.
I certainly respect the conviction of fans like Windsor and EMP,even though I think Don Quixote had a more realistic goal.And while 4x makes a valid point, NASCAR has already anticipated the departure of the 'established' fan-base and made every contingency to 'replace' THOSE fans with a newer and different type of fan.The effort to 'diversify' and all.
Face it gang
Those two guys hold the keys for the rest of us. Change THEIR opinion...and Nascar will listen. Just imagine a race with no Earnhardt or Gordon fan's in the stands before you disagree with me. Yeah, it may seem unfair to vent and look to the drivers, you could argue,but frankly for the 5 mil plus a year these big names get,let 'em earn a little of it by giving something back to their fans.
Oh well, thats my opinion anyway guys.
No Jr. fans at the races. Imagine all the leg room you'd have at 'dega!
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Windsor377
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I thought it was mostly the drivers pizzing & moaning that did away with these? Funny thing is...they are running them on the Busch cars this year at the plate tracks. [/b][/quote]
The drivers were very vocal. That was a good thing. Plenty of fans were too. Me included.
I don't know what to think about BGN running those things. Should I be mad as hell, or just lump it in with the rest of NASCARs recent lunacy?