Jimmie Johnson, Lowes sign 3-year contract extension

Skoalbandit33 said:
Richard Petty and Kyle Busch are similar in that at many race tracks they showed up with a vastly superior piece to fight vastly inferior competition. A person could go through Petty's wins and take out the the ones that were 50-100 miles but he is beloved and doing that would be considered bad form in many quarters. In Kyle's case the work has already been done as his wins have been segmented by the series he has participated in and that is that. No sanctioning body or sports league harmonizes what a driver or player has accomplished in a lesser series and the first and only time I have ever heard of it is from the Kyle Busch camp. No one ever speaks of Dale Earnhardt's 99 Nascar wins or Mark Martin's 97 because any reputable organization or person is going to be able to clearly delineate the marked difference between what is done in lesser series and the major leagues.
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I agree and yeah the difference in time and structure of NASCAR leads to that but most like to rag on Kyle for beating kids in superior equipment when Petty was doing the same thing really.
 
JJ signed an extension to with Rick, color me shocked!!!............ok, not really, no surprise here, he will finish is career at HMS
 
Just reading through this thread, good stuff. Pretty cool Jimmie races into 2020, I wasn't a fan at first but I've warmed up to him as I hope he gets 8 and (gulp) passes Gordon for career wins and goes up an into 100 wins. The one thing I'll say I'm worried about is driver fall off, it happend to everyone when they hit a certain age. They'll go through a winless streak or even winless year. I saw earlier posts saying about how DW fell off ( should have retired in the 1992-1994 range, hated seeing him in the 66 KMART/Big K Car as I thought he was a joke. I had to do some research and realized the guy was a pretty big deal in his prime) well it happend to Earnhardt in 97-98, Dale Jarrett, Rusty Wallace,Bill Elliott and as painful for me as it is to admit Jeff Gordon had some rough years earlier this decade and even his last year was pretty rough. Those guys fell off and didn't win as much, they weren't even title contenders really. Now saying that JJ is a freak of nature as he puts in the time to be physically fit and eats right. If anyone can keep up the pace it's him, but skill fall off is just a thing to watch out for. It's happened to everyone and there's no warning on when it goes. I'd also be worried about this youth movement, as I believe Kyle Larson is about to go on a mini Jeff Gordon 90's tear where he rips off a bunch of wins and a couple of championships, he just has that look he's getting warmed up. Chase Elliott will be winning and contending for Cups as well as Ryan Blaney too. You also have Logano who I think will win a cup before 2020 and Kyle Busch or Brad Keselowski are still young enough to be right there as well. I think JJ can get 8 but man 10 will be tough.
 
Snappy D said:
Just reading through this thread, good stuff. Pretty cool Jimmie races into 2020, I wasn't a fan at first but I've warmed up to him as I hope he gets 8 and (gulp) passes Gordon for career wins and goes up an into 100 wins. The one thing I'll say I'm worried about is driver fall off, it happend to everyone when they hit a certain age. They'll go through a winless streak or even winless year. I saw earlier posts saying about how DW fell off ( should have retired in the 1992-1994 range, hated seeing him in the 66 KMART/Big K Car as I thought he was a joke. I had to do some research and realized the guy was a pretty big deal in his prime) well it happend to Earnhardt in 97-98, Dale Jarrett, Rusty Wallace,Bill Elliott and as painful for me as it is to admit Jeff Gordon had some rough years earlier this decade and even his last year was pretty rough. Those guys fell off and didn't win as much, they weren't even title contenders really. Now saying that JJ is a freak of nature as he puts in the time to be physically fit and eats right. If anyone can keep up the pace it's him, but skill fall off is just a thing to watch out for. It's happened to everyone and there's no warning on when it goes. I'd also be worried about this youth movement, as I believe Kyle Larson is about to go on a mini Jeff Gordon 90's tear where he rips off a bunch of wins and a couple of championships, he just has that look he's getting warmed up. Chase Elliott will be winning and contending for Cups as well as Ryan Blaney too. You also have Logano who I think will win a cup before 2020 and Kyle Busch or Brad Keselowski are still young enough to be right there as well. I think JJ can get 8 but man 10 will be tough.
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Very well stated, Snappy. Like Ryan McGee wrote ~5 years ago about Tony Stewart, "Father Time is coming, and he's bringing the chrome horn. And he is undefeated." Performance levels versus age are highly variable and impossible to predict accurately. Tom Brady says he is good to go until he is 45 years old, and so does Jimmie Johnson, but we'll have to wait to see the outcome in both cases.
 
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Snappy D said:
Just reading through this thread, good stuff. Pretty cool Jimmie races into 2020, I wasn't a fan at first but I've warmed up to him as I hope he gets 8 and (gulp) passes Gordon for career wins and goes up an into 100 wins. The one thing I'll say I'm worried about is driver fall off, it happend to everyone when they hit a certain age. They'll go through a winless streak or even winless year. I saw earlier posts saying about how DW fell off ( should have retired in the 1992-1994 range, hated seeing him in the 66 KMART/Big K Car as I thought he was a joke. I had to do some research and realized the guy was a pretty big deal in his prime) well it happend to Earnhardt in 97-98, Dale Jarrett, Rusty Wallace,Bill Elliott and as painful for me as it is to admit Jeff Gordon had some rough years earlier this decade and even his last year was pretty rough. Those guys fell off and didn't win as much, they weren't even title contenders really. Now saying that JJ is a freak of nature as he puts in the time to be physically fit and eats right. If anyone can keep up the pace it's him, but skill fall off is just a thing to watch out for. It's happened to everyone and there's no warning on when it goes. I'd also be worried about this youth movement, as I believe Kyle Larson is about to go on a mini Jeff Gordon 90's tear where he rips off a bunch of wins and a couple of championships, he just has that look he's getting warmed up. Chase Elliott will be winning and contending for Cups as well as Ryan Blaney too. You also have Logano who I think will win a cup before 2020 and Kyle Busch or Brad Keselowski are still young enough to be right there as well. I think JJ can get 8 but man 10 will be tough.
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Good stuff Snappy, I watched the king drive around as a back marker in the late 80's early 90's. Years before, whenever I picked up a circle track magazine, Hot Rod, Or Motor Trend, Petty was usually pictured or mentioned as to what what happened to him. Waltrip's time was the same. Both of these guys drove past their prime where it was almost impossible for them to get another win. Any new fan to the sport that came along when they were on the skids isn't going to be much of a fan I would think watching them as back markers. I watched Petty's last lap around the track, front end of the car was gone, waving to the crowd and I thought thank God he's retiring. It was really painful to watch, 35 year career. sad day. Probably selfish, but as a fan I don't want to see the jackals making fun of Johnson and Chad tarnishing their careers.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Richard Petty and Kyle Busch are similar in that at many race tracks they showed up with a vastly superior piece to fight vastly inferior competition. A person could go through Petty's wins and take out the the ones that were 50-100 miles but he is beloved and doing that would be considered bad form in many quarters. In Kyle's case the work has already been done as his wins have been segmented by the series he has participated in and that is that. No sanctioning body or sports league harmonizes what a driver or player has accomplished in a lesser series and the first and only time I have ever heard of it is from the Kyle Busch camp. No one ever speaks of Dale Earnhardt's 99 Nascar wins or Mark Martin's 97 because any reputable organization or person is going to be able to clearly delineate the marked difference between what is done in lesser series and the major leagues.
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people are saying that Petty's wins don't count because of where and when they raced. I would like to remind those people that Petty's cars came from his own garage with a skeleton crew and other than some sponsorship he raced on his own coin to get to that point.
Now on the other hand, Kyle couldn't put a winning Xfinity car on the track with either brother driving. Kyle is a great driver BUT he also has the most money behind him and drives for one of the best teams/manufacturer out there.
There is no way anyone can compare those two drivers.
Petty is his own man
Earnhardt was his own man
Kyle is a piece in a complex team organization.
If you want modern day comparisons, compare Kyle in CUP against other modern day Cup drivers and forget the lower series and trucks.
You can't compare Kyle to anyone other than MM for the truck series.
 
Team Penske said:
people are saying that Petty's wins don't count because of where and when they raced. I would like to remind those people that Petty's cars came from his own garage with a skeleton crew and other than some sponsorship he raced on his own coin to get to that point.
Now on the other hand, Kyle couldn't put a winning Xfinity car on the track with either brother driving. Kyle is a great driver BUT he also has the most money behind him and drives for one of the best teams/manufacturer out there.
There is no way anyone can compare those two drivers.
Petty is his own man
Earnhardt was his own man
Kyle is a piece in a complex team organization.
If you want modern day comparisons, compare Kyle in CUP against other modern day Cup drivers and forget the lower series and trucks.
You can't compare Kyle to anyone other than MM for the truck series.
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Petty had superior cars though no different than Kyle Busch in JGR Xfinity rides. Petty might have been his own man but he was driving the best equipment of the time. Also one of the first to have a 2 car team which started the organization model for teams in the future. Only difference I see in the two is time and structure of NASCAR.
 
StandOnIt said:
Good stuff Snappy, I watched the king drive around as a back marker in the late 80's early 90's. Years before, whenever I picked up a circle track magazine, Hot Rod, Or Motor Trend, Petty was usually pictured or mentioned as to what what happened to him. Waltrip's time was the same. Both of these guys drove past their prime where it was almost impossible for them to get another win. Any new fan to the sport that came along when they were on the skids isn't going to be much of a fan I would think watching them as back markers. I watched Petty's last lap around the track, front end of the car was gone, waving to the crowd and I thought thank God he's retiring. It was really painful to watch, 35 year career. sad day. Probably selfish, but as a fan I don't want to see the jackals making fun of Johnson and Chad tarnishing their careers.
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I forgot about the King, when he retired in 1992 wasn't the last time he won was Firecracker 400 in 1984???
 
LewTheShoe said:
Very well stated, Snappy. Like Ryan McGee wrote ~5 years ago about Tony Stewart, "Father Time is coming, and he's bringing the chrome horn. And he is undefeated." Performance levels versus age are highly variable and impossible to predict accurately. Tom Brady says he is good to go until he is 45 years old, and so does Jimmie Johnson, but we'll have to wait to see the outcome in both cases.
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And I forgot Tony Stewart but I'll always believe the broken leg and the sprint car incident in NY changed his desire. Out of today's drivers, I always thought he'd race Cup into his 50's if those two things never happened.
 
yeah 84 was his last two wins and looking at his record, the top 5's and then the 10's continued to disappear He had none of those in 89, and after 89 he had just two top tens until he retired in 92.

Waltrip was very similar 7 years from his last win in cup, last two years without even a top ten
 
Snappy D said:
And I forgot Tony Stewart but I'll always believe the broken leg and the sprint car incident in NY changed his desire. Out of today's drivers, I always thought he'd race Cup into his 50's if those two things never happened.
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Yeah, Smoke went through a lot those last few years. Likely had a few more wins in him before the injuries and dirt track accident.

That said, his weight and lack of physical conditioning likely played a huge factor in his deterioration from 2013-16. Jimmie will likely stay competitive longer due to his superior fitness.
 
I ha e not read the whole thread so if this was already asked, I apologize.

Do you think Jimmie will retire after his contract is up?
 
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